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SWOHFAL
October 05, 2010, 19:31
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11479831


While he may be a pervert, the idea that police can force you to cooperate against yourself seems worse.

Bama Steve
October 05, 2010, 22:39
Its called the 5th here.

He stands accused without proof at this point and they are trying to have him provide the proof - what would a thinking person do in this case?

What should the community do if he is truly a pervert?

:wink:

martin35
October 06, 2010, 00:33
I think in England not helping the police with their inquiries can be akin to criminal obstruction when one has the means to prove or disprove criminal culpability.
The Brits should never have shut down the Bletchly Park Encryption apparatus

Heat
October 06, 2010, 01:47
Originally posted by Bama Steve
Its called the 5th here.

He stands accused without proof at this point and they are trying to have him provide the proof - what would a thinking person do in this case?

What should the community do if he is truly a pervert?

:wink:

Sounds like he's thinking a little and decided to keep his mouth shut and the code to himself. Exactly how long before he attempts to go before a world court or some such body and claim inhumane treatment

RG Coburn
October 06, 2010, 08:17
Perhaps they should waterboard it out of him...
Or the gunners daughter...

keiser
October 06, 2010, 19:07
Well it is the UK. They make WW2 Germany look like a freedom paradise.

English Mike
October 06, 2010, 19:49
Originally posted by keiser
Well it is the UK. They make WW2 Germany look like a freedom paradise.

The above statement makes you look like an ignoramus.

Would you care to provide evidence of our death camps? :rolleyes:

SWOHFAL
October 06, 2010, 19:57
Originally posted by English Mike


The above statement makes you look like an ignoramus.

Would you care to provide evidence of our death camps? :rolleyes:


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/british_con.html

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/boers.html

http://www.lib.uct.ac.za/mss/bccd/


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind2.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind1.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind3.gif

Varangian
October 06, 2010, 21:19
PWNED!

The Brits invented the concentration camp...

English Mike
October 07, 2010, 20:03
The word "make" is a present tense retard.

Why not go & infect some more indians with smallpox, or Guatemalans with syphilis?
How about locking up Japanese Americans in YOUR concentration camps?

Of course, being a well known bigot you will ignore those....


Originally posted by SWOHFAL



http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/british_con.html

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/boers.html

http://www.lib.uct.ac.za/mss/bccd/


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind2.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind1.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind3.gif

Beckman
October 07, 2010, 22:41
Although British subjects enjoy a general right against self-incrimination, there are some exceptions. The article mentioned the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000, and that act permits the British government to spy on its subjects. Specifically, it requires that under certain conditions, encryption keys must be handed over to authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000

Although I consider this to be repugnant, in the US, DNA samples are routinely collected from individuals, and so are fingerprints.

Are the requirements set forth under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 a form of self-incrimination, or are they similar to executing a search warrant or collectiing DNA?

Of course, the really BIG news from merry old England is that Prince Charles is allegedly gay:
http://www.globemagazine.com/story/562
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2njq2Guqp4c/TKYo2VBu2UI/AAAAAAABXt8/TcETldc2hdg/s400/tg.jpg
Of course, it's none of my business what Charles does in the privacy of Buckingham Palace, as long as it's between consenting adults.

SWOHFAL
October 07, 2010, 22:46
Originally posted by English Mike
The word "make" is a present tense retard.

Why not go & infect some more indians with smallpox, or Guatemalans with syphilis?
How about locking up Japanese Americans in YOUR concentration camps?

Of course, being a well known bigot you will ignore those....




Reduced to arguing semantics, rather than fact (and badly too.)?

You Limeys gave us the idea of infecting indians with smallpox (if we ever did), since you invented the idea:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088/did-whites-ever-give-native-americans-blankets-infected-with-smallpox

We didn't starve the Japs we had in our concentration camps like you did the Boers.

Now bugger off, you besotted bald tosser and vicarious wannabe FAL owner - you've been spanked yet again. You still suck as a moderator, so you'd be wise not to show your biased and partisan hack self here until we've had more time to forget (unless you just want to delete this thread, as per usual when you look the fool).

Raspeguy
October 08, 2010, 00:08
The British in the pursuit of establishing "colonialism" and instituting "civilization", which were denial phrases or old newspeak for pilaging, plundering, to take by brute force and violence, to steal from other indigeneous populations that lacked the capability to defend what belonged to them. The English were no different in the toll of human life, misery, and cold bloodiness they exacted than the Spanish were in Espanola and the New World before them.

These Brits that claim superiority to the Nazis, are the descendents of those that plundered the Bengal region as just one example. In times of famine, forcing the gathering and export of food to "jolly old England", while the locals increasingly starved and died in great numbers. In order to protect textile industries in England they outlawed such things in Bengal going as far as to cut the thumbs off of Bengal weavers. The British transformed Bengal from one of the richest areas at the time of conquest to the present state of one of the poorest now known as Bangladesh. Nor can you excuse the degradation for profit forced upon the Chinese by the British opium trade. The Nazis would probably be considered pikers if the tally of lives lost due to British greed was tallied. These brief examples are just the tip of England's history of criminality.

The same can be said of the making of the United States and its state of denial cloisted in "manifest destiny" that excused all manners of evil and excesses. Today, substitute freedom and democracy as excuses or justification for the fascist pursuits of corporate and financial interests. The mindset of most of the public is the same now as it was in the times of the westward expansion or that of European colonialism. The blood on the hands of this nation runs high as well.

Blue Monster
October 08, 2010, 09:15
OK, let the lens of history be the judge, no one, no group and no nation is innocent, all are guilty of what we now consider horrid crimes.

Up until perhaps 100 years ago (or less) there was one and only one real rule in all of history, all mankind in all ares:

Might makes right.

The only true difference is: technology. The ability to subjugate a people before you are subjugated was generally determined by who could kill or enslave the most effectively.

Everyone one is guilty, get over it.

Heat
October 08, 2010, 12:36
I think we can all agree that our respective GOVERNMENTS have treated people badly at different times in history. Americans speak out against the govt here about its many accounts of mistreating people, Brits Im sure do the same..geez fellas, dont bicker over something that our thug leaders are responsible for!

FAL freek
October 14, 2010, 17:52
Originally posted by English Mike
The word "make" is a present tense retard.

Why not go & infect some more indians with smallpox

Funny the English were the first to start spreading smallpox amongst the indigenous populations of North America. Americans learned that tactic from the English.

http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088/did-whites-ever-give-native-americans-blankets-infected-with-smallpox

JasonB
October 14, 2010, 18:26
Originally posted by SWOHFAL



http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/british_con.html

http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/boers.html

http://www.lib.uct.ac.za/mss/bccd/


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind2.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind1.gif


http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/fotos/kind3.gif

Elmira Prison

http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/PrisonsParolesAndPOWs/elmiraprison.html

http://www.mycivilwar.com/pow/ny-elmira.htm

brought to you by the same folks who have been shacked up for the last century or so with the overseers of the Boer camps.