Right NOW on CNN: Pastor Jones forces "Ground Zero" mosque to MOVE!!

[Enquiring Minds]

The guy doesn't LOOK like a genius, but in terms of playing the MSM and the GMP, I have to give this guy the Major Meme Manipulation Award for 2010! Master stroke!

Sorry, what I'm talking about is: Imam whoze-it from NYC has agreed to move "Duh Mosque" farther away from the WTC site in Lower Manhattan, if the genius Pastor Jones agrees to NOT burn Qurans, or Korans either.

Dang, now I gotta smoke up my own backyard, burning Korans... along with some Talmuds, Torahs, Old Testaments, and the Israeli faux-Constitution. Better check my garden hose for leaks.


Wonder what kind of concessions I can get from moozlims in NYC if I agree to NOT force Muslim virgins to eat bacon and "abuse" themselves with battery-powered "adult novelties". :rofl: :uhoh: :tongue:

[308bolt]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds

Dang, now I gotta smoke up my own backyard, burning Korans... along with some Talmuds, Torahs, Old Testaments, and the Israeli faux-Constitution. Better check my garden hose for leaks.


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[flopshot]

now the deal is off ?
where's my lighter ?

[martin35]

Does this mean both men must go into hiding from their respective radical factions?

[Beckman]

Amazing. So, this country bumkin preacher did what all the king's horses and all the king's men failed to do.

And where was Obama, Hillary, and Holder in all this? Sitting on the sidelines, asking what happened, and complaining about the one man who solved the issue of the Ground Zero Mosque.

[JohnnyMac]

Don't get too congratulatory, yet.

The imam from Central Florida, who is supposedly negotiating this relocation of the Ground Zero Mosque is not in a position to negotiate on behalf of the Muslims in NYC. He says that he "is sure" that he can get the NYC imam to go along with the deal.

Remember, these people invented "horse-trading".

JMc

[Enquiring Minds]

Originally posted by JohnnyMac


Remember, these people invented "horse-trading".

"bah-DUM-TSSSsss" (*rimshot*)

Right, what if they just "tricked" him into "missing out" on the 9/11 date... :eek:

Oh well, still, never has such an inconsequential preacher gotten SO MUCH MSM airtime, and NYTimes column-inches. I'm still laughin'...

Anyway, what can *I* do, to cause muslim radicals to do that thing where they BEAT THEMSELVES WITH CHAINS? Is it wrong to derive yucks and giggles from that shyt? My bad.

I advocate using pure ridicule to induce Muslims to live outside The Americas, North and South. :tongue:

[Skilter]

Screw all that... Don't burn anything. Now that he has their attention all he has to do is draw a cartoon effigy of Mohammed...

ROUND TWO!

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds
Dang, now I gotta smoke up my own backyard, burning Korans... along with some Talmuds, Torahs, Old Testaments, and the Israeli faux-Constitution. Better check my garden hose for leaks.
You'd find any reason to burn Jewish books. BTW how are your reform minded freinds in Iran doing right now?

[RG Coburn]

Worshiping a book is no different than worshiping graven objects or images. Worship the Almighty Creator.

[ANON]

Now pastor Jones is saying he is shocked the florida muslim fella lied to him. Maybe he should start the burn with the passage that pardons lying to non muslims. :shades:

[V guy]

Click click, fizz fizz, oh what a wonder fire the koran is!!

[juanni]

The Pastor is a dolt and a bullshitter.

They ain't movin the mosque cuz he is holdin some korans hostage. :wink:

Isn't his 15 minutes of "bubble boying" the media and the gullible morons up?




.................juanni

[Bama Steve]

Does anyone else see the paradox we are in?

:rofl:

[ThunderGod]

Originally posted by juanni


Isn't his 15 minutes of "bubble boying" the media and the gullible morons up?

.................juanni


I'm guessing next Tuesday. Whatever happens this w/e, he'll be on the Monday AM shows, then *FZZZT* - gone.

[V guy]

I suspect that the Pastor will soon be arrested for terrorism and extortion by the FBI.
He should NEVER have tried to tie the Koran burning to getting Obama to call, or hinged to moving the mosque.

He should have just burned the damned things.
I will.

The Pastor got drygulched by the rotten ragheads, in a classic case of the Crusader being sucked in and cut up by the treacherous muslim's crescent shaped sword.
Remember, it is fine to lie to an infidel-- and lead him to his death.

I predict that you are about to witness a national attempt to suppress free speech--- and burning a koran will soon be a hate crime, but not burning a bible or the US flag.

Obama will do it by executive order, and the FBI will enforce it.

If this is done by the dems, before election, it will amount to a mass suicide as the American People rise up and vote them out in droves.

This country is NOT an Islamic country as Obama says.
It is a country that makes a practice of being against anything or anyone who trys to tell us what to do, how to do it or what to worship and accept as truth.
That is why Islam is doomed HERE.

[juanni]

Originally posted by ThunderGod



I'm guessing next Tuesday. Whatever happens this w/e, he'll be on the Monday AM shows, then *FZZZT* - gone.

He and his novelity might not make it that far..... I see all the copycat Pastors, Reverends and other inspired by the limelight charlitans are cutting in on hiis gig. :biggrin:



...............juanni

[jaykden]

my .02 is that there are many muslims who want the books burned....

why?

-sympathy to their cause
-make the moderate muslims hate america more
-in their mind it'd give them one more reason to become violent. an excuse really.

i couldn't care less whether someone burns some books. ppl have the right to do that in this country. as soon as .gov starts dicatating things like this, then it means we've lost another battle in the war.

it also proves that even the libs who are all "open minded" about islam, realize that the ROP is missing the P if they are scared of violent retribution.

makes me chuckle.

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by jaykden
i couldn't care less whether someone burns some books. ppl have the right to do that in this country. as soon as .gov starts dicatating things like this, then it means we've lost another battle in the war.
Would you be offended if someone burned Bibles, the Constitution, or an American Flag?

[juanni]

Originally posted by FAL freek
Would you be offended if someone burned Bibles, the Constitution, or an American Flag?

Offended, but would support their right to do it.



..............juanni

[bykerhd]

Burning of the U.S. flag seems to be legal ? As does the burning, defacement, etc of any other book, including Korans, or whatever in this country.
1st Amendment and all that.

BUT, if it is something done to injure, incite violence or hatred, the rules seem to get kind of different and such things may NOT be allowed. At least according to the very attractive, and smart, lady lawyers who frequent Bill O'Reilly's FOX show.

[Bama Steve]

Like shouting "FIRE" in a theater?

What if there *IS* a fire . . . . and there damn sure is - we're just not seeing it rightly because of the filters placed on our eyes by them who is placin' them.

[jaykden]

Originally posted by juanni


Offended, but would support their right to do it.



..............juanni

yup.

guess thats the libertarian in me.

[one hand clapping]

Freedom is freedom, do no harm to another , I dislike waste so to burn a book of any subject [ some minor exceptions] after all the costs of producing [ and i am NOT talking about $$$, but the raw matterials , what it took to make the machines - to make the paper - to haul the book etc] IF you are not trying to keep from freezing to death, is just WRONG in my book.
Now waving shoes with images of their Idol on the sole is fine in my book, a ceramonial "burning in effegy" of their idol - allah - gotta be ok too, just not my cup of tea. As I said I do not like waste of material nor of my time and they have got as much of that from me here in this thread. untill some moslem asshole [ Yes asshole cause Those men treat women like cattle] makes the mistake of crossing my path. Then The "moslem thing" will get my undivided attention and haji will learn about western women.too little too late for haji but he will be thinking over that lesson as he mabbbbbbey gets to slink away. mabey .

OHC

[Beckman]

Originally posted by bykerhd
Burning of the U.S. flag seems to be legal ? As does the burning, defacement, etc of any other book, including Korans, or whatever in this country.
1st Amendment and all that.

BUT, if it is something done to injure, incite violence or hatred, the rules seem to get kind of different and such things may NOT be allowed. At least according to the very attractive, and smart, lady lawyers who frequent Bill O'Reilly's FOX show. Huh? So, it's NOT legal if it is "done to...incite...hatred" ???

Well, how is that any different than the "Constitutionally protected" act of burning the US flag? That's not done to incite hatred? No, flag-burning is an act of love. Actually, flag-burning could be an act of love -- to a pyromaniac!

Of course, it's always possible that one day there will be five Supreme Court justices who think that Koran-burning is a hate crime. Their decisions are very often based upon politics, so it just depends upon the court's political mix. A few more dumb Latinas on the court, and no freedom is safe -- other than abortion and gay marriage, of course.

[bykerhd]

I think it is a "let's pretend" kind of thing Beckman. Or, maybe even "Catch-22" ?

You can do, or say something outrageous and CLAIM it is all about First Amendment rights. When all along the intent was to piss someone or somebody off. As long as you NEVER admit it was to inflame people.

But, if you say in advance of doing something outrageous that your intent is in fact to piss off someone, cause emotional distress, incite hatred, etc., then you are moving over in to the criminal side.

At least that was my uneducated interpretation of what the lovely lady lawyers said on Bill O'Reilly's show. I'll have to watch them more often I guess.
To confirm I understand what the ladies were in fact saying.:wink:

[AndyC]

Originally posted by one hand clapping
haji will learn about western women.too little too late for haji but he will be thinking over that lesson as he mabbbbbbey gets to slink away. mabey .

OHC
Can I watch? :biggrin:

[Beckman]

Originally posted by bykerhd
I think it is a "let's pretend" kind of thing Beckman. Or, maybe even "Catch-22" ?

You can do, or say something outrageous and CLAIM it is all about First Amendment rights. When all along the intent was to piss someone or somebody off. As long as you NEVER admit it was to inflame people.

But, if you say in advance of doing something outrageous that your intent is in fact to piss off someone, cause emotional distress, incite hatred, etc., then you are moving over in to the criminal side.

At least that was my uneducated interpretation of what the lovely lady lawyers said on Bill O'Reilly's show. I'll have to watch them more often I guess.
To confirm I understand what the ladies were in fact saying.:wink:
Maybe the lawyer was WRONG? Or, maybe she was talking about the laws in some totalitarian country, like Canada?

Here's a photo of Obama's BFF, Bill Ayres, the terrorist. Ayres is purposely standing on the US flag. Are you saying that he could be prosecuted if his act was intended to "to piss off someone, cause emotional distress, incite hatred, etc."? Exactly what crime could he be prosecuted for?

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/features_ayers1.jpg
Photo credit: Jeff Sciortino for Chicago Magazine.

I know many people who display bumper stickers for the primary reason of pissing off people with opposite political views. So, that's actually a crime?

I call "shenanigans," and ask for more proof.

[bykerhd]

Not saying I agree with ANY of the opinions expressed about the restrictions on the First Amendment Beckman. Just passing along my interpretation of what I saw and heard the other night.
As for that *sshole Ayers standing on the flag ? It might be ok if he was checking how it would "feel" for a burial shroud. But, if that is the case, it should have been a different flag.

[JohnnyV1966]

Well lets see.... The pastor has said a lot of things and appears gullible. The Florida Muslim cleric appears sophisticated by comparison. US Gov officials pay a visit to the pastor....

Ever get the feeling the pastor was conned, and also may not have been fully informed as to what the Koran contains. Particularly that might be incendiary to those brought up in Western Civilization?

I tend to think the Pastors plans might have endangered US troops if he was going to burn the Koran. Particularly when one considers what ridiculous rules of engagement our troops may have been under. Then again who establishes those rules?

Why piss others off unnecessarily?

Personally I think the Muzzies are laughing at the unsophisticated gentile Pastor as he was likely the victim of a sophisticated con job. I also think there are Valid First Amendment concerns. Then again can we afford to fight a billion Muslims? I actually think we should leave those backward savages to their own devises.

I also think anyone who attacks US or Allied Soldiers should be handed their heads on a silver platter of their failed parents doors. Whether the Pastor wants to have a good ole fashion burning or not, those who attack US soldiers in Foreign Lands should be killed with "Maximum Violence"

[John Culver]

SO the govt threatened the pastor with violence and he backed down.

"If you burn it, your safety is at risk"

Ahh great to live in a dictatorship

[Enquiring Minds]

I agree, after taking up so much "hype space", this so-called pastor owes us a full transcript of what was said during the several visits to him by the FiBibIes. I mean really, how does burning books YOU LEGALLY OWN AND PAID FOR, rise to intimidation from the most powerful Political Police on the planet?

On the "let's reduce the drama" front, RE: danger to our foreign-deployed troops, it's not so much that a formerly peaceful non-radical goat herder is going to go suicide bomber because some Taliban "community organizer" :eek: shows him a vid of Pastor Jones' bonfire, but the more mundane problem that hundreds (thousands) of native language INTERPRETERS and tribal liaisons we depend on might just up and quit.

(Still pretty bizzare that X years after Oil Embargo, Fall of The Shah, Libya shootdown, Desert Storm, first WTC bombing, etc., that we still don't have massive Arabic and Farsi language training for the US officer and senior NCO corps... instead they hire natives of dubious loyalty...)

PS: If EVERY agent is a "Special" Agent, are any of them still "special"? :tongue:

[juanni]

Originally posted by John Culver
SO the govt threatened the pastor with violence and he backed down.

"If you burn it, your safety is at risk"

Ahh great to live in a dictatorship

Apparently the "Pastor" had some tax issues in the past...... perhaps they suggested that they would look into his current finances. :eek:




...................juanni

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds


(Still pretty bizzare that X years after Oil Embargo, Fall of The Shah, Libya shootdown, Desert Storm, first WTC bombing, etc., that we still don't have massive Arabic and Farsi language training for the US officer and senior NCO corps... instead they hire natives of dubious loyalty...)

PS: If EVERY agent is a "Special" Agent, are any of them still "special"? :tongue: Judging by your comment guess you don't know many that are interacting with the locals. Simple human instinct of tribalism they're far more likely to talk and interact with folks that have dark hair and tanned skin and know the local customs and traditions than they are some blonde haired blue eyed American. Guess you aren't aware that they're making guys with dark hair that are working over there get really dark tans just to get them approachable by the local populations. Funny that before WW II the Japanese had the same exact problems trying to blend in the local populations in places like Indonesia and Malaysia because of their skin color and concurrently had to result to trading certain "favors" to get intelligence out of the military officer corp (most notably the Dutch).

Hate to break it to you but the DLI has been training Arabic translators for decades. That and Korean always have openings. Folks just don't want to learn the languages and with good reason. Many that get trained in either language get placed in the classes because they take a placement test and are assigned to the classes so the turn over rate is high. And long after everybody on this board passes away the Arabs are still gonna be slaughtering each other wholesale.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds
PS: If EVERY agent is a "Special" Agent, are any of them still "special"? :tongue:

Since you wonder, rhetorically or not:

Agents are law enforcement technicians with no power to arrest or serve warrants. Special agents have the power to arrest and serve warrants. Agents are not armed as far as I know. Special agents are.

IIRC, one of the victims of the nuts in Washington (that were driving around shooting people) was an agent of the FBI, but not a special agent. She was a technican of some sort.

Probably more than you wanted to know, but there you are.