This is a microwave with no faraday cage

[cpd109]

An LA jail will install this thing to stop fights. It is a microwave that is not contained, except in this case, by the walls of the jail. It works by microwaving the top layer of the subject's skin. While it is suppose to be safe, having tested it on some 700 test subjects, at least one was hospitalized with 3rd degree burns. I guess someone turned up the power....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/pain-beam-to-be-installed-in-los-angeles-jail/19604676?test=latestnews

I also understand that they have been using this in Afghanistan as a crow control device. It is also mentioned in "Foreign Enemies and Traitors". I think I read that the street version is good for 800 yds.

Sorry I don't have a link. I read several articles about it. One said that an aluminum foil suit would protect a person, but I have accidentially put aluminum foil in the microwave before. Wouldn't want to be wearing it at that particular time. Especially with no power rheostat limit on power.

[John Culver]

tin foil needs to be grounded!!!!!

then you ok

[shlomo]

Originally posted by cpd109
I think I read that the street version is good for 800 yds.


Great. :rolleyes:

Yet another yard line I gotta get a zero for.

[cpd109]

Here is what it looks like- street version- should be mounted on a Humvee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_1teOTE1Gg

I may edit if I can find anythong else on it shortly.

edit:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0302-01.htm

I hate using them as a source but they seem to have the only photo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

[shlomo]

Okay, then. Zero with AP 30-06.

Check.

[L Haney]

Cover yourself with hot butter. And carry a Wok.

[SWOHFAL]

Wasn't the "pain beam" something from the original "Star Trek"?

[shlomo]

Anybody who thinks these things will not be turned on this government's own citizens is in Active Denial.

Of course, if you're not doing anything wroooo-oong.....

[shlomo]

Originally posted by SWOHFAL
Wasn't the "pain beam" something from the original "Star Trek"?

There was at least one episode where there was a compliance collar, and some hot-lookin' bimbo in short shorts called a "drill thrall".

[Thorack]

Schlomo,

I think your correct that eventually some of these will be turned over to big city law enforcement. A few well placed rifle rds would put it out of commision though and as long as you are behind cover and not out in the open your fine. Real question is though, will foliage stop its effects?

Thanks Thorack

[martin35]

Non lethal methods of enforcing compliance will be thought very humane by those who need compliance to their demands.
Most things that cause me pain even momentarily I tend to want to destroy a little bit.

[brunop]

Originally posted by shlomo


Great. :rolleyes:

Yet another yard line I gotta get a zero for.

Exactly this.

[ggiilliiee]

pisshawww ...no different than iraq ...3 mil worth of tech ...= a large scrap pile when fertilizer and a cell phone are introduced ...NO BIGGIE ....the second they turn it on, the same second they go away ...its always a bad idea to microwave explosives ....or gas tanks or pacemakers or cyborg NO HEART cheeney ...shut him rite off

when will they ever learn :devil:

but then again if ya got a crowd destroying a city over something as stupid as a football game ...i say FRY EM ...hehe...they wont be missed .

[Brett]

A big mirror might be good.

[ggiilliiee]

mirror ...? wrong wavelength ..

just go to the scrap yard ..take all the little windows out of the microwaves and make a sheild ...:bow:

[ThunderGod]

Originally posted by Thorack
Schlomo,

I think your correct that eventually some of these will be turned over to big city law enforcement. A few well placed rifle rds would put it out of commision though and as long as you are behind cover and not out in the open your fine. Real question is though, will foliage stop its effects?

Thanks Thorack

Dense, wet foliage, yes. Dry and sparse? Not so much.

[Brett]

ggiilliiee, a mirror would reflect microwave...and light...only difference is you wouldn't be able to see shorter wavelength light through it like a microwave door.

[justashooter]

the weakness in this system is clear. think about it for a few minutes. defeating this system does not call for MOA AP rifle fire. it's much simpler to deal with the operator than with the generating device...

[John Culver]

Originally posted by Thorack
Schlomo,

I think your correct that eventually some of these will be turned over to big city law enforcement.
Thanks Thorack

They already have, along with LRAD for blowing out your ear drums

[cpd109]

Originally posted by ThunderGod


Dense, wet foliage, yes. Dry and sparse? Not so much.

Does that mean we can eat the foliage after it's been steaming for a bit?

[Varangian]

Originally posted by ThunderGod


Dense, wet foliage, yes. Dry and sparse? Not so much.

I watched a spot where a reporter went up against one while shielded with a 1/2" piece of plywood.

He lasted 3 seconds.

[nwobhm]

I saw something about this a few years ago. It's potential is frightening.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by Varangian


I watched a spot where a reporter went up against one while shielded with a 1/2" piece of plywood.

He lasted 3 seconds.

Reporter- that kind of says it all. Anyway....

Seriously, when microwaved (possibly depending on the frequency), what gets hot is "water" because the molecules are vibrated against each other and this friction causes the heat. In plywood, I don't think there is any moisture, but in plants, especially dripping wet ones, the microwaves would stop pretty much there and absorb the energy. Just my guess though.

Any engineers out there? Please quit driving your train for a minute and shed some light on this.

Edut fer stuped speling erors.

[ftierson]

Originally posted by shlomo
Anybody who thinks these things will not be turned on this government's own citizens is in Active Denial.

:)

Exactly, of course... :)

Forrest

[justashooter]

this engineer says go to the source and incapacitate.

[bykerhd]

The Active Denial System is demo-ed on Future Weapons on the Military Channel by the ex-Seal dude.
Humvee mounted, looks to be on a rotating table with a range of 500 ? yards.
Individual persons in a crowd can be targeted with this rig.

Likely the "Papa" of the jailhouse version ?

[longhair51]

Anything man made, can be man destroyed. One of the old machinists that taught me the trade, had a phrase he would use on occaision..."he could tear up an anvil in a sand pile"... of course he was never talking about me

[shlomo]

Originally posted by justashooter
the weakness in this system is clear. think about it for a few minutes. defeating this system does not call for MOA AP rifle fire. it's much simpler to deal with the operator than with the generating device...

Any suggestions on what to do with said operator, if captured?

Just axin' the question for entertainment purposes, of course.

[Bama Steve]

Originally posted by shlomo
Any suggestions on what to do with said operator, if captured?
Just axin' the question for entertainment purposes, of course.

Crew-served-weapon.

Ain't gonna be no captured - don't serve the purpose of engaging it, does it?

Just askin'


:biggrin:

[shlomo]

Poop happens, Steve.

What fate for those who pick the side against the interest of the American people, and their rights and traditions.

It's a fair question for the fair-minded.

[Bama Steve]

The answer is in my question.

:D

[L Haney]

I swear you guys continue to disappoint me. Wet foliage, dry plywood, rifels. Like takin' a squad of homosexual eunuchs on a rape and pillage, gotta' rethink yer' logistics.

[Bama Steve]

Not being amongst the rabble the weapon is aimed at and being to the flanks and rear areas are always preferable.

Get out of the cities . . .

[justashooter]

Originally posted by L Haney
I swear you guys continue to disappoint me. Wet foliage, dry plywood, rifels. Like takin' a squad of homosexual eunuchs on a rape and pillage, gotta' rethink yer' logistics.

lemme just run out to the barn and get that LAW i have out there...