'Atlas Shrugged': From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years.

[JohnnyReb]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123146363567166677.html?KEYWORDS=%27Atlas+Shrugg ed%27:+From+Fiction+to+Fact+in+52+Year

[gates]

fer cryin out loud - welcome to the party!

[Skilter]

are ya bitter tonight?

yah... I am and have been going galt for the last 18 mos.

[one hand clapping]

I shrugged right after being retired from uncle sugar. My life is so much richer for it . I can not thank Aynn Rand enough,wise woman that she was.

[D P Six]

A novel can be inspirational, but in real life is there a Dagny Taggert, Francisco d'Anconia, Hank Rearden or a John Galt. I hope so but I'm not betting the farm on it.

[Eric Bryant]

Eh, the rich industrialists aren't retreating to Galt's Gulch - they just moved some jobs and corporations overseas a couple decades ago after milking America for everything it had and giving up on the same middle class that made them rich in the first place.

I just wish that the bankers had invented this plan first.

[brunop]

Rich industrialists = bankers. They are one and the same.

I give you notable industrialists who turned into bankers/financiers

Rockefeller (oil to banking)
Vanderbilt (railroad to banking)
Carnegie (steel to banking)
Mellon (timber and coal to steel to banking)
Stanford (railroad to banking and back again? fuzzy on this one)


And a very short list of financiers who turned industrialists

JP Morgan


They were all called Robber Barons. Their 'houses' still call the shots and play with the Fed (like in 2008 when JP Morgan used the New York Fed's Discount Window to buy Bear Stearns at $2/share...).



It was in the bank's interest to do what has been done.

[Enquiring Minds]

"Ayn Rand" (nee Alice Rosenberg) was a Jew from USSR who was very much FOR gun control... you need to read her UNrealistic scenarios with a highly skeptical eye. Since her death, her "Objectivist Society" has been headed by a succession of thinly veiled Trotskyite Jews... just a co-inkee-dink, I'm sure.

As for "going Galt", I'm guessing AZ or AK will be the first to tell all their cits to stop paying taxes to Duh Fed, and instead pay half as much to the state... what's Uncle Sugar gonna do, send in troops? Such a state would do well to first recruit/incent as many disgruntled veterans of Iraq and A-stan as possible.

I agree, the current "schtick" is UNsustainable, and the sooner somebody erects a real "STOP" sign, the less long-term pain will be suffered.

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds
"Ayn Rand" (nee Alice Rosenberg) was a Jew from USSR who was very much FOR gun control... you need to read her UNrealistic scenarios with a highly skeptical eye. Since her death, her "Objectivist Society" has been headed by a succession of thinly veiled Trotskyite Jews... just a co-inkee-dink, I'm sure.
Always blamin the Joos aren't cha?

[Tyris]

Originally posted by FAL freek
Always blamin the Joos aren't cha?

Your empty comment does not disprove his assertion.

disclosure: I have not read Ayn Rand's history.

-T

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Tyris


Your empty comment does not disprove his assertion.

disclosure: I have not read Ayn Rand's history.

-T Just go back and read any of EMs comments over the years. Most are some rant about how those Joos are sucking the world dry some how and they're to blame for all the worlds woes. Always entertaining reading his comments as they're good for a laugh. Bet he's a Mel Gibson fan. :rofl:

You haven't read Atlas Shrugged?

[Enquiring Minds]

Originally posted by FAL freek
Always blamin the Joos aren't cha?

Well, was there someone ELSE responsible for Bolshevism + Menshevism = Soviet Communism? Sure as heck wasn't the "White" Russian Christians... nor the Irish... nor the Laplanders. I know, I know... when you read only English, you get only censored versions of Soviet "history". Pity.

Did you know Alexander Solzhenitsyn's last book 'Two Hundred Years Together', a history of the Jewish people in Russia, canNOT be found in English, nor indeed in any language but Russian? WHY would such a towering intellectual, Nobel Prize winner, and persecuted gulag survivor be supressed? Because when he objectively detailed the origins of the USSR--oopsie--a hugely disproportionate % of the movers, shakers, and hitmen turned out to be... err, umm, kosher, shall we say?

Bad Russian Writer-Mon, bad, BAD! :rolleyes: He must be "anti-semitic"... :wink:

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds


Well, was there someone ELSE responsible for Bolshevism + Menshevism = Soviet Communism? Sure as heck wasn't the "White" Russian Christians... nor the Irish... nor the Laplanders. I know, I know... when you read only English, you get only censored versions of Soviet "history". Pity.

Did you know Alexander Solzhenitsyn's last book 'Two Hundred Years Together', a history of the Jewish people in Russia, canNOT be found in English, nor indeed in any language but Russian? WHY would such a towering intellectual, Nobel Prize winner, and persecuted gulag survivor be supressed? Because when he objectively detailed the origins of the USSR--oopsie--a hugely disproportionate % of the movers, shakers, and hitmen turned out to be... err, umm, kosher, shall we say?

Bad Russian Writer-Mon, bad, BAD! :rolleyes: He must be "anti-semitic"... :wink: And if your assumption is correct how's that explain the rest of your anti Jewish rhetoric? Lot's more countries in the world than Russia. And if your facts are straight and the "hugely disproportionate % of the movers, shakers, and hitmen " were in fact Jewish could it just be the fact that they had been kicked around (pogroms) and marginalized and it was an act of self protection? Got a relative (no I'm not Jewish) that married into the family and all his grand parents moved to the U.S. from Russia (3) and Poland (1) because of the anti semitism going on after WW I. He could tell ya some real interesting events that his relatives had to endure. And BTW thought Lenin was an athiest as well as his sidekick Stalin.

Romanovs were so out of touch with their subjects it's a surprise the revolution didn't happen long before it did. Same ruler that was valued at over $30 Billion (in 1918 dollars) at the time of his death yet the vast majority of his subjects lived in squalor. Huge numbers of his army deserted because they were tired of being expected to die for their country yet didn't even have adequate arms to fight the Germans and Austrians. Ripe breeding ground for revolution on both accounts.

Really tho I do get a good laugh and am usually laughing whenever I read your postings cause they're always the same thing. The bottom line is Joos are the cause of all ills in the world. And yet you practically hero worship the Muslims. Same folks that wanna kill everybody who doesn't worship or insults their founding "prophet" ( to include their own).

And I'll ask ya one more time as you said it long ago, Where's the Western style reform you were saying that was going to happen in Iran? Just around the corner you touted. The PTB in that country don't seem to agree with your analysis of the situation and go to great lengths to ensure that.

Your retort should be interesting although nothing new. :rofl:

[Tyris]

Originally posted by FAL freek

You haven't read Atlas Shrugged?

Sadly, no. I know what it is about, and have read numerous condensed synopses of it. I understand what 'going galt' is. But I have not read the book itself. I'll get around to it one of these days.

-T

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by Tyris


Sadly, no. I know what it is about, and have read numerous condensed synopses of it. I understand what 'going galt' is. But I have not read the book itself. I'll get around to it one of these days.

-T Whaaat? Come join the folks on the watch list.

[offshore44]

Originally posted by FAL freek
Whaaat? Come join the folks on the watch list.

You can get on a watch list by reading Atlas Shrugged?! Cool! I'll have to go check a copy out of the local library...

[Enquiring Minds]

Originally posted by armarsh


Rand was an atheist. She was very clear about his. Anyone that has read anything about her would know that.


Rand simultaneously liked to crow, in "heroic" terms, about "escaping" the Soviet Union (on a luxury liner out of Sweden, with her wealthy parents, IIRC, LOL), while whitewashing her Jewish surname and full membership in The Chosen People. Convenient for her career and public persona.

While I have no doubt she avoided temples and synagogues whilst living in her posh Manhattan digs, she was, nonetheless, RACIALLY Jewish. If you think it's 100% about "observing" a religion, and 0% about genetic lineage, then: a) you've accepted the Sheeple programming VERY deeply, and b) a quick trip to Israel would INSTANTLY eject you from that tiny matrix! :rofl: :devil:

I have never come across anything that would indicate she would support gun control. Many of the heroes in her novels use guns appropriately.

Yeah, she "got over" on me too, when I was a younger man, with her APPARENT pro-2A stance, in her works of FICTION. But in one or more of her serious NON-fiction essays, she comes out baldly and states that her principle that NO ONE MAY *INITIATE* THE USE OF FORCE, means no guns for the plebes, and that the gov't we duly elected must MAINTAIN A MONOPOLY ON THAT DEADLY FORCE! :eek: Yeah, it ejected me from my Objectivist matrix too... luckily before I graduated college and started parroting Rand's veiled Soviet BS.

I will cull that essay for you, next time I'm pawing through my storage unit... ain't like I keep her tripe on my home shelves... OR... you could find it online a lot sooner.


PULL THE 'EJECT' HANDLE, while you still can! ;)

[Enquiring Minds]

Originally posted by FAL freek
And BTW thought Lenin was an athiest as well as his sidekick Stalin.

It's one of the great brainwashing triumphs of Jewish Bolshevism, that the Gentile Sheeple conflate/confuse the religion and race of Judaism, while the State of (faux) Israel (and virtually every rabbi) NEVER make that "mistake"! ;)


... And yet you practically hero worship the Muslims.

:confused: You mean like when I advocated, in several posts, their complete removal from all of North and South America, because they are INcompatible with everything "New World" or Western Civ? :?

And I'll ask ya one more time as you said it long ago, Where's the Western style reform you were saying that was going to happen in Iran? Just around the corner you touted. The PTB in that country don't seem to agree with your analysis of the situation and go to great lengths to ensure that.

Uh, yeah, DUH!... that's what ALL PTBs *do* (including "ours"), i.e. deny and decry change, and summon all the "P" in their PTB to prevent change. A little reading of SERIOUS works of history will aid you greatly in your self-ejection from the GenModProp, or "matrix".

Regardless, the demographics in Iran are unstoppable, and there is no significant immigration or emmigration to change the inevitable outcome. Women ain't wearin' the burkha, men ain't bowin' five times a day, opposition parties, corruptly suppressed, will not stay down forever. The PTBs don't have nearly the totalitarian control of NoKor, or even Red China. No doubt the imams will still have some minor sinecures on the periphery of the bureaucracy (think Al Gore, LOL), but the end will come to civilian law based on the Koran.

The post-WW2 US-CIA-M-I-Petro-Complex created the EXTREME swings in Iran's political pendulum, and if we can just keep the Neo-Con-Zionist looney tunes out of it, that pendulum will settle towards a very sedate middle ground. I won't be like Nebraska, USA, but it will be the Nebraska of that region.

In the meantime, you and the America Second Crowd will be pleased and relieved to know there's no REAL chance (Bill Kristol agitprop aside) that Iran will "nuke" your beloved state of Israel! HOO-RAY! (Remember when Pakistan was going to nuke Israel? :rolleyes: Remember when the big weekly news-rag story, mid 1970s, was Global COOLING? :rolleyes: )

Once you EJECT YOURSELF from the Zionist-controlled MSM-agitprop fairy tale matrix, not only will you see the world in a more grown-up way, but your ANXIETY (and blood pressure) will go way down. Bonus.