Mathmatical proof that we're phucked

[JohnnyReb]

I didn't do so good at calc. Dropped it twice in college. Maybe someone could explain it to me...

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[JohnnyReb]

Yep, truly PHUCKED!

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[gates]

heh... calc is so 80's - KD posted a chart on this about 8 FRIGGIN MONTHS AGO!

I'm about to jump on Jokkers pollyanna bandwagon - I'm flat TIRED of reality!

[Skilter]

ahh ok....

[mitchellh]

He needs to kill that damn Cricket, it is very annoying and distracting.

[TheJokker]

Originally posted by gates
heh... calc is so 80's - KD posted a chart on this about 8 FRIGGIN MONTHS AGO!

I'm about to jump on Jokkers pollyanna bandwagon - I'm flat TIRED of reality!

summary:

the global "value" of labor is out of balance. this could be considered a corollary of my proposition that the root cause of the recession/depression is an imbalance in the value of our currencies.

as there is pressure on our economy for the value of our money and by effect labor costs to decrease there is a similar pressure on asian and undeveloped countries to increase their labor costs and currencies i.e. deflation in the u.s and western countries and inflation in china, and india, etc.

this period of deflation will be very, very disruptive and painful for america but will likewise cause great problems for china etc. the difference between you and i is that you believe this will lead to a total collapse while i believe this will eventually resolve itself and america will emerge in good shape relative to the rest of the world.

what can we do as simple americans? support initiatives that prepare our economy for minimizing the disruption during this transition while opposing initiatives that maximize the disruption. we can support fiscal conservatism, reverse socialistic government policies and programs, and reduce the size and scope of the federal government allowing state and local governments to take up the slack via greater efficiency and lower costs.

i believe that america will bend but not break and this transition while difficult is necessary. if we make the right decisions we will not only survive but will prosper in the end. winners find a way to win…

[chrsdwns]

I'm with the TheJokker on his one although I was worried for a while.
Americans are not sheep and there still seems to be a critical mass of American values, self reliance and get it done mentality to make sure we come through the next several years with our system intact and stronger.

We are about to get about to get a Post Graduate Education from the School Of Hard Knocks in what is real and and whats not real and it's going to painful.

It's also going to be the end of a lot of politicians and media types who have been pushing irrationality and unreality for a generation.

One thing for sure, we will learn that the only thing you are "entitled" to is to starve to death if you are not willing to support your family and community.

[2barearms]

In order to have 'growth' something has to remain constant. Every year
cars, appliances and homes were escalating and wages had remained
frozen or gone backward, now we are beginning the phase where there
is extreme pressure to sell and prices are going in reverse and wages are
stagnant, this will certainly bring about the double dip or worse. The only
choice is a massive tax reduction for those who actually pay taxes to spur
spending.

[gates]

2bare - worse than that - that "growth" was primarily due to the credit bubble and I'm not so sure those people (tax payers) will actually spend the money generated from tax relief - I believe they will save it or continue to deleverage - which will tighten the spiral.

[carguym14]

Originally posted by TheJokker


summary:

the global "value" of labor is out of balance. this could be considered a corollary of my proposition that the root cause of the recession/depression is an imbalance in the value of our currencies.

as there is pressure on our economy for the value of our money and by effect labor costs to decrease there is a similar pressure on asian and undeveloped countries to increase their labor costs and currencies i.e. deflation in the u.s and western countries and inflation in china, and india, etc.

this period of deflation will be very, very disruptive and painful for america but will likewise cause great problems for china etc. the difference between you and i is that you believe this will lead to a total collapse while i believe this will eventually resolve itself and america will emerge in good shape relative to the rest of the world.

what can we do as simple americans? support initiatives that prepare our economy for minimizing the disruption during this transition while opposing initiatives that maximize the disruption. we can support fiscal conservatism, reverse socialistic government policies and programs, and reduce the size and scope of the federal government allowing state and local governments to take up the slack via greater efficiency and lower costs.

i believe that america will bend but not break and this transition while difficult is necessary. if we make the right decisions we will not only survive but will prosper in the end. winners find a way to win…



You REALLY think that's possible?
I agree with you,but I am a producer (minority).With government growing and the number of people on entitlements growing as well,I don't see enough of us left to make a difference.

I just think skittle shitting unicorns are as much a possibility at this point.

[flopshot]

Originally posted by TheJokker






i believe that america will bend but not break and this transition while difficult is necessary. if we make the right decisions we will not only survive but will prosper in the end. winners find a way to win…

so it this the death of socialism ?