Iran goes nuclear August 21st

[wyatt earp]

It's getting interesting folks. Tic toc tic toc tic toc.....

Published 13 August, 2010, 15:49 Russia Today

Edited 14 August, 2010, 04:10

Russia says it will launch Iran's nuclear power plant in Bushehr next week. The Russian nuclear agency Rosatom, which is building the facility in Bushehr, announced that engineers will start loading the reactor with fuel on August 21, under strict control.

A Russian delegation, headed by Rosatom Director General Sergey Kiriyenko, will attend the launch ceremony.

See the full article and video here:Nuclear Reactor (http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-08-13/iran-bushehr-plant-russia.html)

[StG58Freak]

I'll bet it gets bombed on the 21 st or 22 nd give or take a few days either way.:biggrin:

[cpd109]

Should have been taken out BEFORE they fueled it. Duh! Don't they remember taking out the reactor in Iraq?

Edit: And what's this about boarding vessels bound for Iran starting on Sep 1?

[FAL freek]

Just Russia thumbing their noses at America and laughing again.

[SWOHFAL]

I wonder how many Iranian "advisors" are in Chechnya?

[Insider]

August 22-Israel destroys Iran.

[xtremerange]

This plant's waste could be processed by Iran in the future to produce fissile materials but the plants operations or non-operation has no impact on the Iranian development of a first nuclear weapon.

In other words, this plant can help them make more bombs after they are able to develop the first several but will not help them make the first one. (except for providing plausible cover to their nuclear bomb development process.)

[martin35]

From what I have read plutonium is the byproduct of nuclear reactors, each exchange of fuel rods can provide a undetermined amount of plutonium.
Why would Israel sit and wait to be incinerated by Muslims?
The activation of the reactor should produce a outstanding heat signature for a standoff weapon delivery like a "hail Mary" pass from Roger Staubach to the numbers on Bob Hayes. This threat is so dire that the Israeli's might even Kamikaze it,,, their survival is at stake,,,, again.
I need to be wrong here

[BUFF]

The Russian-Iranian deal includes Iran returning the spent fuel rods to Russia in exchange for new ones.

I don't think the Russians really want a Muslim state on their southern border to be armed with nuclear weapons. I doubt the reactor will do much at all to delay or advance the muzzies developing a nuclear bomb. They are going to have one soon, with or without this reactor.

[RG Coburn]

Oh my God! Iran is going to have electricity! What's next? Running water?

[cpd109]

Originally posted by martin35
From what I have read plutonium is the byproduct of nuclear reactors, each exchange of fuel rods can provide a undetermined amount of plutonium.
Why would Israel sit and wait to be incinerated by Muslims?
The activation of the reactor should produce a outstanding heat signature for a standoff weapon delivery like a "hail Mary" pass from Roger Staubach to the numbers on Bob Hayes. This threat is so dire that the Israeli's might even Kamikaze it,,, their survival is at stake,,,, again.
I need to be wrong here

+1. That's my understanding too. So, the Iranians are working towards a uranium weapon (with all the certifuges) as well as plutonium. Nice. I think they can figure out how much plutonium is made based on the processes in the reactor.

I am a little surprised. I thought for sure Netiyahoo (I know it's spelled wrong, but there are already enough Smiths and Jones in the phone book) would not allow the plant to go active. His brother was the commander of the group that went to Uganda to get the Israeli hostages back so it's ballsy family. The only reason I can think of is that Israel got so much crap from the rest of the wrold (offically, that it) from the previous Iraqi reactor strike and going back to the 1967 war were they destroyed the 'peaceful" arab military aircraft on the ground. Other than that, I dunno.

Martin, unfortuately, as usual, you are right.

[cpd109]

Well, on the bright side, maybe the Russkis are setting it up to blow up in a year- after all they gave the world Chernobel, they know how to do it up right.

[martin35]

I don't think the Russians really want a Muslim state on their southern border to be armed with nuclear weapons.
I think the Russians will find a shortage when fuel rod exchange day comes,,, these people are neither one noted for their uncoerced square dealing.
Think North Korean reactor that Cliton gave NK in exchange for their "good will".
Jews throughout the M.E. are paying their debts so as not be left owing when push comes to shove,,, this in direct contradiction to tin-cup alms for the poor Obamaian policy

[molotov]

Oh my God! Iran is going to have electricity! What's next? Running water?

Exactly. Makes great fear mongering here and abroad. Maybe Obama can rig a nuke strike on his adopted country and thereby maintain power.

Let Israel deal with them separately and quit making a big deal of it here, that's what I say. Israeli precision strike on their reactor facility. US denial of involvement, Russia left with hands tied as Israel remains ready to strikel any other turd world aggressors angry about a smoldering pile of high tech reactor equipment. That is how Obama OUGHT to deal with it.

[John Culver]

Originally posted by martin35
From what I have read plutonium is the byproduct of nuclear reactors, each exchange of fuel rods can provide a undetermined amount of plutonium.
Why would Israel sit and wait to be incinerated by Muslims?
The activation of the reactor should produce a outstanding heat signature for a standoff weapon delivery like a "hail Mary" pass from Roger Staubach to the numbers on Bob Hayes. This threat is so dire that the Israeli's might even Kamikaze it,,, their survival is at stake,,,, again.
I need to be wrong here

The reactor is a Russian VVER-1000/446 1000Megawatt Reactor
It is a PWR
This reactor design uses LOW enriched uranium of 2.4-4.4%. This is interesting since Iran is currently admitting to enriching fuel to over 10% to the IAEA. This is typically done to increase how much Pu-239 a reactor produces.

Normally for electrical power production the uranium fuel remains in the reactor for three to four years, which produces a plutonium of 60 percent or less Pu-239, 25 percent or more Pu-240, 10 percent or more Pu-241, and a few percent Pu-242. The Pu-240 has a high spontaneous rate of fission, and the amount of Pu-240 in weapons-grade plutonium generally does not exceed 6 percent, with the remaining 93 percent Pu-239. Higher concentrations of Pu-240 can result in pre-detonation of the weapon, significantly reducing yield and reliability. For the production of weapons-grade plutonium with lower Pu-240 concentrations, the fuel rods in a reactor would have to be changed frequently, about every four months or less.

[martin35]

John Culver thats very informative, thanks.

[cpd109]

Yeah, see there- I told ya so.

One thing that is not coming out that may be restraining Israel is an agreement between Iran and Russia sort of like what caused WWI to snowball. If someone attacks Iran, Russia is in Iran's corner. Now, whether they really are or not is another question. But the threat is there. This agreement has been in effect for at least a couple of years.

Edit= When I usually make statements like this, I try to provide a link or reference. I don't have that this time so if you have a link to this, please post it. Thanks.

[wyatt earp]

For those of you that have not traveled much Iran is not exactly a backward place.

http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/33/693833/1/78339497.nTgqbty8.TehranTower.jpg

[RG Coburn]

Well,that already looks better than Detroit...

[SWOHFAL]

Originally posted by wyatt earp
For those of you that have not traveled much Iran is not exactly a backward place.

http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/33/693833/1/78339497.nTgqbty8.TehranTower.jpg

In the cities....

"Backward" is also a mindset, however.

[chrsdwns]

The first Atomic bomb was manufactured with 1930's technology. The hardest part was precision timing of events which is trivial with todays digital technology.

The necessary technology to build a bomb can be found in scrap yards and bought for pennies on the dollar.

Making a working device is not that difficult given the appropriate materials to make one out of.

[John Culver]

Originally posted by chrsdwns
The first Atomic bomb was manufactured with 1930's technology. The hardest part was precision timing of events which is trivial with todays digital technology.

The necessary technology to build a bomb can be found in scrap yards and bought for pennies on the dollar.

Making a working device is not that difficult given the appropriate materials to make one out of.

yup, thats why the equipment thats most regulated, is the equipment used to make the fissile material (centrifuges now mainly)

Everything else is by comparison simple.

[Story]

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Israel has "eight days" to launch a military strike against Iran's Bushehr nuclear facility and stop Tehran from acquiring a functioning atomic plant, a former US envoy to the UN has said.

Iran is to bring online its first nuclear power reactor, built with Russia's help, on August 21, when a shipment of nuclear fuel will be loaded into the plant's core.

At that point, John Bolton warned Monday, it will be too late for Israel to launch a military strike against the facility because any attack would spread radiation and affect Iranian civilians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100817/wl_afp/irannuclearpoliticsisraelusmilitary_20100817120240

[dakdak]

I firmly believe we will do nothing when that plant opens.

Obama went out of his way to be sure the government of Iran knew he would not stand up for the rights of the students demonstrating for freedom. Obama made sure, by his silence, that the students were arrested, beaten, tortured, raped and killed !

He will not do anything significant to stop, destroy, or delay the plant development. He will do nothing to develop a real boycott and sanctions that would give sensible, heretofore silent, people in Iran the chance to say, "ENOUGH", without fear of torture or death.

We will see a nuclear armed Iran in less than one year. All that government needs now is more help from North Korea on missile technology. THEN...

[Loaded05]

Originally posted by Story
At that point, John Bolton warned Monday, it will be too late for Israel to launch a military strike against the facility because any attack would spread radiation and affect Iranian civilians.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100817/wl_afp/irannuclearpoliticsisraelusmilitary_20100817120240


Just thinking outside the box here, but from Israel's perspective, wouldn't that would be the PERFECT time to hit it?

[V guy]

When and if Israel attacks, what will the response of the USA be?

Think Obama will aid the revolution by the Iranians who want to topple Islam and the Mullahs?

Think Obama will want a democratic state to grow out of the ruins of an attack by Israel and destroy terrorism?

Obama's response will be to try and attack Israel, like the good little rag head he is.

[SWOHFAL]

Originally posted by V guy
When and if Israel attacks, what will the response of the USA be?

Think Obama will aid the revolution by the Iranians who want to topple Islam and the Mullahs?

Think Obama will want a democratic state to grow out of the ruins of an attack by Israel and destroy terrorism?

Obama's response will be to try and attack Israel, like the good little rag head he is.

We won't attack Israel, just condemn it.

[John Culver]

Originally posted by SWOHFAL


We won't attack Israel, just condemn it.

perhaps even sternly lol