Ending Anchor Babies, NOT

[juanni]

Well now that 1 out of 12 born in the US are from illegal aliens there is finally a movement to change the 14th amendment.

No big suprise that the Status Quo republicans are lining up against such a change.

Tally so far against changing total failure.
Huckabee & McCain, but the list will grow. :uhoh:



..............juanni

[shlomo]

That's not a very liberal position to take, Juanni.

Tryin' to confuse the Jokker (sic) et al?

[juanni]

Originally posted by shlomo
That's not a very liberal position to take, Juanni.

Tryin' to confuse the Jokker (sic) et al?

:biggrin:
No, I don't believe I can confuse Jokker because I am becoming increasing convinced that Jokker isn't even a human, but rather a GOP computer program that automatically responds to any serious questioning of the party on this site with the following words and symbols.

liberal
=
marxist
traditional american values
socialist
juanni
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=
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fiscal responsibility
hates america
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traditional pro business
Obama
liberal policies
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juanni


Yes, that constantly repeating equal sign is a dead give away that there is a bug in their program. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


==============juanni

[edporch]

There's not reason to change the 14th Amendment with regard to anchor babies because it ALREADY prohibits them.

check out this on the original intent:
http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

the key phrase
"Amendment XIV
(1868)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,...

ALSO, if they start messing around with the 14th Amendment, what happens to all the law based on the equal protection clause?
Wasn't this equal protection clause that helped us in the recent Supreme Court decision?

Leave it alone and simply enforce it.

[juanni]

Originally posted by edporch
There's not reason to change the 14th Amendment with regard to anchor babies because it ALREADY prohibits them.


Yes, but the SC has already decided it, so that only leaves an amendment change as the only option.

I don't like tinkering with the Constitution either, but clearly Open Borders, Amnesty McCain and the entire Status Quo Party (R&D) who has been in DC forever will never support removing illegals, fining employers or anything else that will reduce the volume of anchor babies.

What is left?
wait for....
1:10?
1:8?
1:1?


...............juanni

[martin35]

the entire Status Quo Party (R&D) who has been in DC forever will never support removing illegals, fining employers or anything else that will reduce the volume of anchor babies.
The Constitution we have today is very much like the one we had when the American aborigine was put on land and forced to remain there.
Economic conditions forced Hoover, Truman and Ike to deport Mexicans, some were probably born here but undocumented or assimilated.
A problem that won't go away always gets addressed for somebodies benefit or despair.

[JohnnyReb]

We've been phucked over since jekyll island ...

[V guy]

I believe that a resolution to amend the 14th, will pass Congress over an Obama veto in 2011.

I believe that it will pass in a majority of the states, by 2013, if presented.
After all, we passed prohibition.

The black community will largely support changing the 14th and deportation, in a wild kind of "get even" politics.

Regarding moving 10 million aliens out, I repeat the simple fact that during WWII we had 17 million persons in uniform.

We moved each uniformed person probably 30 times during those war years for a total movement of persons totallying 510 million individual moves--- and encampments for months on end.

We can move 10 million out in 6 months once we start. Might be kind of rough start, but it will encourage illegals to leave so that they do not get labeled as having been here even once illegally. After, all, they do not want to learn English so what is the problemo??


Being nice has not cut the mustard, so it is time to enforce the laws.

[offshore44]

Originally posted by edporch
There's not reason to change the 14th Amendment with regard to anchor babies because it ALREADY prohibits them.

check out this on the original intent:
http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

the key phrase
"Amendment XIV
(1868)
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,...

ALSO, if they start messing around with the 14th Amendment, what happens to all the law based on the equal protection clause?
Wasn't this equal protection clause that helped us in the recent Supreme Court decision?

Leave it alone and simply enforce it.

What he said...

The 14th Amendment was never intended to give the the offspring of aliens, illegal or otherwise, citizenship in the US. That is a very recent development, and came about purely through the bureaucracy.

I would vote to keep most of the illegal aliens that are here in the US (fine them for breaking the immigration laws or something) and immediately deporting 75% of all bureaucrats at all levels of government in the US to France or Russia where they would be more appreciated.

Edited to add: OF course, I'm getting to be a nasty old fart and would dump the Forest Service and BLM, and allow homesteading on that land too. Same goes for state forest / range lands. Grab 80 acres and improve it, live on it, pay your taxes for three years or so and then do whatever the heck you want with it.

[shlomo]

Originally posted by JohnnyReb
We've been phucked over since jekyll island ...

:cool: :whiskey:

[chrsdwns]

No need to change the Constitution, Congress just needs to clarify the obvious fact that illegals in the United States are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

I do not have have any problem extending citizenship to the children of foreigners who are in the country legally as long as they take financial responsability for themselves and their children.

I do have a huge problem with illegals coming into the country to have anchor babies paid for by our welfare system