3 things about Islam

[Stoney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w&feature=player_embedded

[martin35]

Knowing these thing might distract from the fun I was having.

[Stoney]

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http://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com/2010/01/10/4-stages-of-islamic-conquest/

[martin35]

I always thought if any element would co-opt America it would be the Mexicans and our love of tamales that would prove fatal, but Islam on Viagra might beat them out.

[kayakpirate]

Thanks for puting this up.I've shown it to a bunch of people
already and I'm forewarding to everyone else I know.

[davedude]

In your FACE all you "blowback" idiots.

read the godamn quran.

Thanks for posting that video stoney-dude, backs up what I been sayin only about 100%.

The only peaceful garbage written in the quran was when Mohammad's new army was weak and did not have the power yet to conquer the Jews and pagans living in mecca, medina and other places in the vicinity. After Mohammad's armies gained enough strength, Mohammad no longer needed to bullshit and he slaughtered everybody that would not submit and any shred of tolerance went righ tout the window.

How about the right of return for Jews to return to mecca? Where they were living BEFORE islam?

I would challenge islam to internationally televised debate to lay open the quran for all to see.

Surely the best islamic scholars will be able to prove islam truly is a religion of peace, right?

Dave Dude

[martin35]

From what I have read when I needed information the Muslim faith has many stated historical beliefs that were common to the Jewish belief for thousands of years, from Adam and Eve, the Great Flood to Abraham/Ibrahim his second wife Hagar and her their son Ismael from which the pre-Islamic Semite tribes and the belief is derived and expand upon with the examined conclusions and God given visions of Mohamed. Jews have carried their religion more or less intact while other religions have also sprang with deviations from their beliefs by other Prophets or the Messianic appearance of the Christ Jesus and later acclaimed harbingers Buddah and Obama.
What Muslims believe was not in existence for most of mankind's tenure.
My religious faith or beliefs have small bearing on my acceptance of Islam's militaristic proselytizing and stated intolerance of my existence without a subservient observance of Islam, my experience as a American and my faith in being a American the greatest gift God gave men makes it impossible to bow to what my very being denies.
a Sunday thought;
As a kid my older cousin told me eatin' roses would make my farts smell better,,, he was wrong

[82ndRecon]

Stoney, good post as for myself I don’t know sh*t about Islam and probably should do some reading. But, listening to those three things got me to thinking, maybe our POTUS really is the Muslim Manchurian Candidate?

That would explain at lot of things, even how he could sit in that Christian Church for over twenty years and never hear a word that Rev. Wright said. Everything else falls right in line. All for the greater good of Islam.

Just sayin.

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by 82ndRecon


That would explain at lot of things, even how he could sit in that Christian Church for over twenty years and never hear a word that Rev. Wright said. Everything else falls right in line. All for the greater good of Islam.

Just sayin. Kiss the hand of your enemy while you are weak. :wink:

[101ABN327]

Here are three things I have for Islam:

M4A1
M240
AH64

[WarriorPoet]

Here's something I posted elsewhere on the web.

The thing to keep reminding yourself as you look at, and add up, the numbers.....is that we're talking about a 464 page document.

***

May I suggest, if you haven't already done so, that you read the koran. I have (twice) and noted the following:

Penguin Classics edition - 464 pages.
The following words appear:

unbeliever(s) = 264 times
wrongdoers = 89 times
evil doers = 66 times
INFIDELS = 23 times
disbelievers = 16 times

Because I was so busy counting the previous, I - to save time - skipped the following: idolators, hypocrites, transgressors, unjust, sinners.

There are 38 instances of language which denies Jesus as the Son of God (I point this out purely to show the lengths that the koran goes to degrade other belief systems - not to prosyletize)

In addition, you will find the following occurrences for these items:

4 - men's dominance over women/wives

1 - beating your wife

2 - martydom (positive aspects)

2 - muslims over others

10 - taking of slaves

2 - non-believers as "apes" and "pigs"

4 - anti-gay

5 - Christians and Jews are wrong

13 - don't take non-muslims as friends

5 - additional unbeliever comments (connections with satan, etc.)

13 - reward of virgins in paradise

20 - making of war.

All this in just 464 pages (JUST 464 PAGES) of normal-size text, with lots of spaces between the various phrases (I forget the actual term right now).

Another fine, easy-reading text, is "The Politically Incorrect Guide to islam".

*****

I need to find an "Infidel" t-shirt to wear around town.

side note:
I've recently noticed quite a few muhs at the malls and especially at food stores. They must be preparing themselves for their month-long Ramabomb fast.

"allah-f**k'bar"

Hey! That'd look good printed on a great shirt, too! :wink:

-WP

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
Here's something I posted elsewhere on the web.

The thing to keep reminding yourself as you look at, and add up, the numbers.....is that we're talking about a 464 page document.

***

May I suggest, if you haven't already done so, that you read the koran. I have (twice) and noted the following:

Penguin Classics edition - 464 pages.
The following words appear:

unbeliever(s) = 264 times
wrongdoers = 89 times
evil doers = 66 times
INFIDELS = 23 times
disbelievers = 16 times

Because I was so busy counting the previous, I - to save time - skipped the following: idolators, hypocrites, transgressors, unjust, sinners.

There are 38 instances of language which denies Jesus as the Son of God (I point this out purely to show the lengths that the koran goes to degrade other belief systems - not to prosyletize)

In addition, you will find the following occurrences for these items:

4 - men's dominance over women/wives

1 - beating your wife

2 - martydom (positive aspects)

2 - muslims over others

10 - taking of slaves

2 - non-believers as "apes" and "pigs"

4 - anti-gay

5 - Christians and Jews are wrong

13 - don't take non-muslims as friends

5 - additional unbeliever comments (connections with satan, etc.)

13 - reward of virgins in paradise

20 - making of war.
Lotta that stuff in the Bible too:
Mens dominance over women
Martyrdom
Christians/Jews over others
Several references to slaves
Anti Gay
Warns of taking non Christians as friends
Additional unbeliever comments
Old Testament's full of justified war

Something like 80% of Islam and Judeaism are the same. But that other 20%............well

Just sayin'

[WarriorPoet]

FAL freek,

Yeah.....people use that observation all the time.

However......ummmmmm.......the difference is.......

They LIVE and DIE by this book TODAY

When's the last time you heard of Christians/Jews running around with suicide belts, assaulting shopping areas, bombing planes/buses/trains, chopping off heads, executing missionaries, lashing/stoning/shooting women for having sex or even just holding hands with or kissing a boyfriend?

So, you CANNOT compare the (modern day) effects of following the tenants of the Holy Bible or Torah - or any other belief system - to the effects of following the tenants of the koran.

Make any sense?

-WP

[keiser]

Isn't it interesting Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same God. Their religions all go back to the same beginnings. Yet they all hate each other and claim all others are wrong.

Not much of a case for the non-believer to consider any of them.

[JM]

Keiser--The so-called Muslum religion is a cult that worships a moon god and a pediphile prophet--it is a cult that worships death. Sure--the pedophile murdering prophet Mohammed gleaned many words from the Holy Bible 700 years after the Holy Bible was closed and finished to construct the evil Koran. The last verses in the Bible states--If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. The Holy Bible is the Book of Love. The Muslums Koran is the book of Hate and eternal death. Islam is an anti-christ cult that so happens to have 1.5 billion or so followers and oil money. Islam will be exposed for what it is very soon. Our founding fathers knew the evil of Islam but modern secular society is oblivious to the dangers of this end times cult.

[WarriorPoet]

kaiser,

If you actually read the koran there's no way you would've said that muhs worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

No way, no how.

Look at my earlier post with stats. In the koran there are more instances of negative, hateful thoughts towards unbelievers than the total number of pages in the whole damn book!

-WP

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
FAL freek,

Yeah.....people use that observation all the time.

However......ummmmmm.......the difference is.......

They LIVE and DIE by this book TODAY

When's the last time you heard of Christians/Jews running around with suicide belts, assaulting shopping areas, bombing planes/buses/trains, chopping off heads, executing missionaries, lashing/stoning/shooting women for having sex or even just holding hands with or kissing a boyfriend?

So, you CANNOT compare the (modern day) effects of following the tenants of the Holy Bible or Torah - or any other belief system - to the effects of following the tenants of the koran.

Make any sense?

-WP Of course you do know the Crusades were done in the name of God. The Christians only massaced 30,000 in Jerusalem when they took it. And don't forget the 2,700 Richard The Lionhearted executed at Acre. All in the name of God. You might also care to look at the Spanish Conquistadores and how the freely slaughtered the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas. All because they considered them subhuman and offensive to Gods ways. Do one better and look up how De Soto and his party used to hack Indians hands off and turn them loose so they could starve to death for their own amusement. Just because they considered them free game because they weren't Christians. Christian Europe had the same fervor for religion as the Muslims have today until the Renaissance. Then they started to become much more secular and less superstitious. Had Europe not had their Renaissance who's to say Christians wouldn't be fanatical about their religion today as the Muslims are?

Don't also forget that there were Salem witch trials or a book called the Scarlett Letter will show you how in the not too distant past Christians will revert to religious extermism without much goading. Hitlers armies had "Gott ist mit uns" (God is with us) emblazoned on their belt buckels when they stormed through Europe.

You make the comment about Muslims strapping bombs on themselves and killing innocent people, but Muslims use the same rationale about America using cruise missles or dropping bombs from 30,000 feet.

[WarriorPoet]

FAL freek,

Read "The Politically Correct Guide to islam" (avail. at Amazon and your local bookstore).

There you will learn that the Crusades were actually a defensive action to protect Jerusalem and the holy land from the aggression of the muhs.

It was the muhs who invaded the region (remember, now.....islam came into existence about 1000 years after Christianity and LONG after Judaism *I don't have the time to research the exact date - so sue me if I'm off by a few hundred years*).

Again, the Crusades was a DEFENSIVE action against an aggressive force of muslims. The Crusaders were fighting to defend Jerusalem - NOT to invade mecca! Right? Right???

30,000 killed taking Jeruselem? Well, guess WHAT? Tens of thousands died at Waterloo, and England could expect to lose up to 50,000 a week in the trenches during WW1. Big wars are fought with lots of people.......and, therefore, lots of people die. WOW! MAJOR NEWSFLASH, huh?!?!??

As for all the other historical tidbits you threw in as an attempt to water down the modern-day atrocities undertaken in the name allah (may piss be upon him).......

Yeah? Well? What? That's how people thought in those days. It cannot be helped. Terrible things have happened to innocent people since (and before) recorded history.....and enlightened thought comes slowly to the race of man. I know, I have a BA in History and an extensive library of texts which document man's cruelty to man. No need to preach to me about voilence, culture, and history. And trust me, all those cultures which were brutalized "in the name of God".......well, they were quite busy brutalizing each other before Christians ever reached their shores.


NOW, look at the post WW1 era and the TENS of MILLIONS who've been butchered or starved to death in the name of communism - a GODLESS social system. You can't blame God for that now, can you???


(back on track)


***THE POINT I SPECIFICALLY MADE*** was that MODERN DAY muhs are still adhering to violent methods, as espoused in their holy book in order to impose THEIR religious dogma upon others (including you, FAL freek).

-WP



P.S.

As for dropping bombs from 30,000ft and launching cruise missiles- well, those who can, do - and those who can't........they just bitch about it. If muhs states would've taken their billions/trillions in oil money to develop their countries, they would be 1st world nations with modern sanitation, schools, universities, technologies, products, etc. etc. Instead, they wallow in ignorance which seems almost indemic in muhs-based societies.

To put your "30K feet and cruise missile" gripe into historical context - I'm sure the French knights at Agincourt were rather put out by the English longbowmen launching their bodkin point-tipped arrows from standoff distances ("Sacre bleau!" and "Le Boo Hoo!")

Lastly - The methods used for guiding bombs and missiles onto their targets significantly reduce civilian casualties. WW2 bombers were lucky to deliver most of their bombs within ONE MILE of their intended targets! (Oh, and Allied forces wiped out 10s of thousands in (non-nuclear) firebomb raids in Germany and Japan). Again, those who can, do - and if THEY could have, they WOULD have - on us! In the end, war is war, and innocent people suffer - as they always have)


P.S. P.S. - "Muslims use the same rationale..." You used "muslims" and "rationale" in the same sentence. Very amusing! :biggrin: :rolleyes:

[keiser]

Originally posted by WarriorPoet
kaiser,

If you actually read the koran there's no way you would've said that muhs worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

No way, no how.

Look at my earlier post with stats. In the koran there are more instances of negative, hateful thoughts towards unbelievers than the total number of pages in the whole damn book!

-WP

I have read the Koran - from cover to cover. Whether you believe they worship the same God as Christians or Jews cannot obscure the fact that all 3 of these religions come from one man - Abraham and his worship of his God. Therefore, I don't see how you can claim they do not all worship the same God. Now their techniques are certainly different today, but in the beginning they were all the same. I would say that Judaism and Islam aren't too far apart with Christianity making a pretty big change in how God is perceived. Yet even Christ claimed that his coming changed nothing about God so is God this loving being or is he the God of destruction against any who cross him of the Koran/Torah?

One thing that really seems to irk a Christian is to imply he worships the same God as a Muslim yet they have no issue with the implication with Jews. Both Jews and Muslims view all outsiders as vile vermin to be exterminated so why one association is ok and the other not is beyond me. Neither devout Jew or Muslim would think twice about killing any outside their religion and view it with pride. Both religions have more than their share of evil associated with them. And don't forget all the killing Christians have done in the name of their religion.

I will admit that the Koran seemed to me just a book of excuses to justify an unstable man's actions, but the Bible has more than it's share of mass executions and destruction in it as well.

I don't see it as a stretch to see the same God in all 3. If you don't, you might not want to accept all the evil deeds your branch of the 3 has done. Christians had their time of killing. Jews had theirs. Maybe now is the time for Muslims.

[dakdak]

Does the New Testament of the Christian bible advocate killing those who do not believe in Christianity ? The answer is NO. I believe Islam advocates killing the non-believer, the Infidel...i.e., someone like me.

Does the gospel of Jesus Christ preach murder and mayhem be visited upon those who say they are not Christian or do not follow Christianity based law ? The answer is NO. I believe Islam has such a doctrine.

Did Jesus Christ say that the way to spread Christianity was by the sword, by military conquest ? I believe the answer is NO. Muhammed preached that violence was the method and lived by that method.

Does the gospel of Jesus Christ tell men to beat their wives if they do something the man considers to be wrong ? The answer is NO. Modern Muslim Imams advocate this action and even go on Saudi TV to discuss it.

[WarriorPoet]

kaiser,

(loosely responding to each paragraph you wrote)

Ya know, I almost don't want to respond to your post. I'm not a biblical scholar.....but the idea that the koran *represents the same god* as the God of the Old/New testaments is ludicrous.

That would be like saying that Mein Kampf came from the U.S. Constitution!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As Christians and Jews both refer to the Old Testament and the God of Abraham.....yes, they DO believe in the same God. Abraham never bowed five times a day to a god that demanded the death of all Jews!

muhammed created something completely different, borrowing from various religions. The fact that he explicitely condemns Christians and Jews proves that muhummad and his god have NOTHING to do with the God of Abraham.

I've never read of Jews who wanted nothing more than to wipe out all Christians, muhs, and animists, worldwide. Where do you get THAT info?

As for Christians killing in the name of God......see my previous post. I think I covered that subject thoroughly enough there.

Again - Jews/Christians are not storming around the world today trying to convert the world via terror bombings, executions, etc. etc. Read my previous post (again!)

You can see a record of violence in the Bible because it is, if anything, a history book. The koran, however, is a stand-alone document which preaches violence against all others.

Any other comparison between islam and Judeo-Christian beliefs is some sort of Star Trek philosophical vomit (and that pretty much describes how absurd and utterly simplistic I find your logic on this particular subject to be).

Not flaming you......... Just STRONGLY disagreeing with everything in your last post.

-WP

[FAL freek]

WP,

Just a couple notes, 30,000 Muslims were killed after Jerusalem was taken by the Crusaders. The Crusaders openly bragged about how they made the streets run with blood. They massacred women and children in their homes both Jewish and Muslim. Saladin (iirc) let the Christians leave the city without slaughtering them after he took it back to show Islams civility over Christianity. And again that was after Richard the Lionhearted massacred the 2,700 Muslim women and children at Acre. Just thought I'd point that out.

History is chock full of Christianitys misdeeds and as I said earlier, had Europe not had their Renaissance they (and us) might still have the same religious fervor and superstition that the Mooslims have.

Studied a bit of Muslim expansion. Battle of Yarmuk had the Byzantines not fudged that battle so badly the Muslims would have had their religion restricted to the Arabian Peninsula. Funny that the Byzantines treated the local population of Jews so badly and taxed them so that they gave the Muslim Army permission to stay on their lands because they considered it a better alternative than to be ruled by the Byzantines. Had they forced them to move on the Muslims might have had to face off against the Byzantines as exhausted from marching as the Byzantines were and they probably would have lost in stead of won. Damascus would still be Philadelphia, Istanbul would still be Constanople, Turkey would still be Anatolia, etc., etc. Funny that such a minor battle would have such lasting consequences.

From this statement:"NOW, look at the post WW1 era and the TENS of MILLIONS who've been butchered or starved to death in the name of communism - a GODLESS social system. You can't blame God for that now, can you???"

You might care to read a book or two about the Miracle at Fatima. One of the warnings that Mary gave when she appeared to the three children was of Russia and her turning away from God and how God was going to make an example of Russia for the rest of the world to show what happens when nations turn away from God. And also went on to say that Russia would spread her error to the rest of the world. Pretty foretelling warning I think.

Just for the record I'm a Christian that attends Church almost every Sunday. Even happens to be one of those churches that preaches that even Christians can still go to Hell if they choose to turn away from the path God intends people to take. Not one of those feel good preach the Gospel and everybody's saved type churches that are springing up all over the place. So I have misgivings about the cult of death as many refer to it.

Do I personally believe Mohammed was a prophet? About as much as I do Joseph Smith or David Koresh. Even in the Koran (which isn't even in chronological order) it talks about how the city leaders asked him if he was a prophet where was the miracle. His reply was something to the effect that the miracle is that he was there. Pretty telling that all three I mentioned have never performed even a single miracle or were given a sign from above. Hope I'm wrong but don't think so. Funny that when Mohammed originally had his followers bow to Jerusalem until he went there and tried telling them he was a prophet for which the expelled him. Once he returned he started having his followers bow towards Mecca. And they still do to this day. :rofl: Sounds more like a cult of personality than a religion to me. Apparently you overlooked the statement I made in my first posting in this thread "But that other 20%............well".

Mohammed got most all his early religious indoctrination from traveling Jewish and Christian merchants and missionaries. So no wonder that so much of the three have a lot in common.

As for the rest, over the years posted all the same stuff I just have in this thread on this site so nothing new. Has this country become too secular? You betcha. Amazing how far down the crapper morally this country has gone in the past 60 years. Just threw out a bone to get you to think outside the box and you read waaaay too much into it. But it has been fun.

[JM]

According to the Holy Bible-which is the Word of God--the vile person and soul of Mohammed is burning in Hell for his sin of altering the Bible among many other sins, but most importantly for rejecting Jesus. The cult of Islam is Satans counterfeit to the Holy Bible and will play a great role in the near future when a One World Government combines all religions into one and a Ruler that will make Mohammed look like a school boy. "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand or in their foreheads--And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name". It is coming sooner than you think--the Vari-Chip company which is owned by the government now, is making 100s of millions of chips with identification data to be used when the time is right. Day by day we are getting closer to this nightmare--no turning back.