Cop convicted, loot anyway

[shlomo]

Whenever I get upset, I know I wanna go steal something, don't you?
http://cbs5.com/

Does history repeat itself?
http://fredoneverything.net/Berkeley.shtml

[K.O.A.M.]

They were gonna riot and loot no matter what. They could have executed the cop in the courtroom and they were still gonna go burn down Foot Locker.

[308bolt]

Protests for the sake of principles.
Excellent!
Protests that show a profit.
Priceless.

[Retired Bum]

This is Oakland, Kommifornia for crying out loud. What did you expect would happen?

And so it goes.


The Retired One

[martin35]

The Black culture has increasingly shown a belittling pejorative attitude for law enforcement and will not be restrained by laws that inhibit them, I say this as a observer of the modern American Black culture, having said this I will be disparaged as racist, that groups of Blacks organized and disorganized cause me to come to this conclusion I find more disparaging.

[wonderdog451]

As a member of that "black subculture" you have so cleverly observed, I think that you need to do some research into the history of the police being used as a means of racial oppression and as an instrument of enforcing corrupt public policy. Unfortunately for the police, some people have long memories and our modern age of information makes it easier to keep track of their repeated transgressions. Until the police and the court system hold themselves to a higher standard, these types of behaviors will become more and more commonplace and will not be limited to just one ethnic group. I do believe that current events are indicators of just such a way of thinking.

[tuck0411]

The cop was convicted of manslaughter by a jury of his peers, according to news reports. The jury apparently believed that the shooting was accidental and the cop's story was true - that he mistakenly grabbed his pistol instead of his taser. To believe that the verdict was incorrect and the rioters should be forgiven is to believe that the cop was lying and that he intentionally shot and killed Mr. Grant. Is that what you believe, Wonderdog?

[wonderdog451]

I do not condone looting for any reason! But, the bullshit excuse that "I grabbed the wrong thing" and shot a man who was already on the ground in the back is basically another lie! Explain to me how your Taser feels like your department issued sidearm!That's the same line of bull they used when they threw that flash bang into the house in Detroit and killed a little girl a few months back. The list of people who were killed by reckless and irresponsible behavior goes on and on. If that was me or you who shot somebody in the back who was already laying down on the ground, would we get off so easy? Or is this another example of a Blatant double standard? We discuss this same topic on this forum time and time again, and we still can never agree on a set standard that police should adhere to. So this is another example of a wasted post.

[tuck0411]

Well, you appear to be saying that you believe the cop intentionally and knowingly pulled out his pistol and killed the guy in front of mulitiple witnesses. I find that very hard to believe and am inclined to find it much more likely that he made a simple (but tragic) mistake. Obviously, the jury agreed.

[ROBBO]

There are really two issues here. First, did this cop intentionally kill this guy. I have no idea and neither do you. The jury decided after a fair trial it was negligence, not malice. Case closed. Does our legal system make mistakes? You bet. Was this one? Who knows? But, issue two: is it intentionally biased against people of color? Gee, you may want to run that concept by Nicole Simpson or Ron Goldman's family. There is no question in my mind that the real bias in our legal system has nothing to do with black and white, its all about green. If you've got money/power/fame, the rules are different for you. As for the looters, they are pathetic creatures who no longer have any personal sense of honor or shame and that is why they will always remain desperate and poor, not because they are black. There are plenty of white, brown and yellow people just like them.

[wonderdog451]

As someone who has worked with lawyers there is more to this than being acquitted by a "jury of your peers". Defense attorneys look for possible jurors who are sympathetic to their case. And I am sure he was coached through his statement by the police department and his defense team. Also, how good was the prosecution? To be honest, the odds were slanted in his favor from the start. Even I don't believe he shot him on purpose, but he got off with the lightest sentence possible. I am not asking for the death penalty, but he got off way too easy. I will say it again: If me or you killed somebody out of stupidity or ignorance, what would the courts do to us? Speaking of such an event, a man her in Michigan negligently discharged his firearm and killed someone's grandmother. And he got off with an extremely light sentence. (in my opinion) Maybe I am just foolish, but I still believe that police officers should be held to a higher standard.

[gman]

I agree.

[tuck0411]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
Even I don't believe he shot him on purpose, but he got off with the lightest sentence possible. I am not asking for the death penalty, but he got off way too easy.

He hasn't been sentenced yet, only convicted. From the article in the OP:
"Involuntary manslaughter typically carries a sentence of two to four years, although the judge could add 10 more years because a gun was used in the killing. A sentencing hearing was set for Aug. 6."

So, if you're actually saying that the *charge* he was convicted of wasn't strong enough, what would you have charged him with? Murder? Doesn't a murder charge require intent? If we can agree his intent probably wasn't to shoot the guy, how can you charge him with anything stronger than manslaughter? And I'm not a legal expert, so if you are, feel free to educate me.

[Barbcue]

Originally posted by gman
I agree.

I do too.

[gobbler]

Did the riots occur in the black or white neighborhood?

[hagar]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
As a member of that "black subculture" you have so cleverly observed, I think that you need to do some research into the history of the police being used as a means of racial oppression and as an instrument of enforcing corrupt public policy. Unfortunately for the police, some people have long memories and our modern age of information makes it easier to keep track of their repeated transgressions. Until the police and the court system hold themselves to a higher standard, these types of behaviors will become more and more commonplace and will not be limited to just one ethnic group. I do believe that current events are indicators of just such a way of thinking.

I think the black subculture should hold themselves to a higher standard, and then as if by a miracle, there will be no racial oppression. Show me ONE place where blacks have power that is not a steaming turd. Forget your fuggen grievances, and work for a living. We are all a victim of oppression of some kind or other, but whites get over it by education and working for a better future..:mad:

[HughJass]

If it had been a black cop shooting a white kid, would there have been riots?


Just askin'.......

[tuck0411]

Originally posted by HughJass
If it had been a black cop shooting a white kid, would there have been riots?


Just askin'.......

More to the point, would Wonderdog be calling for a stiffer sentence before he's been sentenced...

[JohnnyMac]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
Even I don't believe he shot him on purpose, but he got off with the lightest sentence possible.

In other words, you agree that his actions met the definition of INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER, the crime for which he was convicted.

Had the jury determined that his actions were willful when he shot the decedent, but without intent to kill him (a stretch), he would have been guilty of VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER.

Had the jury determined that he willfully shot the decedent, without the premeditation to kill him, he would have been guilty of SECOND DEGREE MURDER.

The prosecution erred, IMHO, by originally filing charges for first degree murder (which played well for the aggrieved masses). The judge took first degree murder off the table, because he knew that if it came down to a conviction for first degree murder, or an acquittal, the jury was likely to acquit.

It may not give you the sense of revenge or retribution you're looking for, but the system actually worked as intended, in this instance.

JMc

[wonderdog451]

If it had been a black cop shooting a white kid in the back,I would still ask for a stiffer sentence. But the previous posts are correct, the mindset or"Mens Rea" necessary to try him for first degree murder was not present. I actually talked to one of the lawyers I work with(who is also black) and he pretty much agrees with your collective opinions:he hates looters, and he also feels the the cop made a horrible mistake. He does agree with the verdict for the exact reasons stated earlier. I just don't agree with the theory that he mistook his taser for his sidearm. I have handled tasers and they don't feel like a Smith and wesson, beretta, or a glock. It is just a shame that another person has to have their life cut short over someones stupid mistake.

[truck 1]

Oscar Grant put himself in a situation that resulted in a tragedy for all involved.If he had exercised more civility and personal responsibility by behaving in a respectfull manner towards others,he probably would be alive and a father to his child today.He was fighting, disturbing the peace,and acting like the angry ,chip on his shoulder punk that he was on that Bart train .Many witnessed that behavior,but the judge would not allow that testimony in court.How about some personal accountability here.The officer obviously panicked and shit himself under stress.He will pay for that for the rest of his life.
And as far as disparity in the justice system,I have one word-O.J.Did whites riot and cause mayhem over that verdict?Black culture needs to look at itself in the mirror.:confused:

[skeeterbay]

I have no comment on the race argument. I never even heard about this incident until I read this post.

I just wonder what ever happen to keeping your non lethal choices on the non weapon side of your duty belt. Back in the day I was taught to keep my baton and later my mace on the opposite side from my weapon. I wonder why they don't do that anymore?


Skeeter!

[martin35]

When two people of different self righteous values operating beyond their intellectual and emotional abilities meet in confrontation a disaster can be a given. The final arbiter of competence and incompetence has always been life, and incompetence with a pistol always trumps when subduing angry unarmed incompetence.

[Bama Steve]

'Splain the affinity for "free Nike shoes" and stuff - I gotta know.
It is immoral to steal in my culture - please udumicate me.

:?

[John Culver]

so he 'accidentally' drew his pistol, and 'accidentally' shot him in the back

So what was he doing that would have deserved a taser? he was restrained face down already.

Why ya need a taser?

[wonderdog451]

I don't understand "the need to steal" myself,I have always worked and then bought the things I wanted. And there are plenty of scholars who have wrote treatises on the collective behavior of subcultures. And they still cant come up with a consensus on the issue.I personally think that when you have rapid urban growth, poor urban planning, and a corrupt, incompetent, city government ( look at Detroit, Chicago, and Pittsburg ) you have a recipe for disaster that will take decades to remedy. I believe these people loot and steal because they have no pride and even less hope. And verdicts like this one just make things worse. The standard for our"public servants" has slipped so low that incompetence, deceit, indifference and a lack of pride in your job are commonplace. And then we wonder why we have situations where mayors think they are above the law and police officers routinely make decisions that cost ordinary people their lives and freedom.

[Ricketts]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
I don't understand "the need to steal" myself,I have always worked and then bought the things I wanted. And there are plenty of scholars who have wrote treatises on the collective behavior of subcultures. And they still cant come up with a consensus on the issue.I personally think that when you have rapid urban growth, poor urban planning, and a corrupt, incompetent, city government ( look at Detroit, Chicago, and Pittsburg ) you have a recipe for disaster that will take decades to remedy. I believe these people loot and steal because they have no pride and even less hope. And verdicts like this one just make things worse. The standard for our"public servants" has slipped so low that incompetence, deceit, indifference and a lack of pride in your job are commonplace. And then we wonder why we have situations where mayors think they are above the law and police officers routinely make decisions that cost ordinary people their lives and freedom.

Condensing this into one sentence--

"It's not their fault because the Man is Racist."

Move along--nothing to see here. :rolleyes:

[ce]

Ordinary people seldom need to be subdued, or tasered, or shot.

Well, if you're ever in Oakland, boy, you better walk right.
And you better not gamble, and you better not fight.
'Cause there's a man there with a Taser, and that ain't all he got.
You bet to win a fight with him, boy, you get your dumb ass shot.

Let the Midnight Special, shine the light on me.

[RG Coburn]

I personally think that when you have rapid urban growth, poor urban planning, and a corrupt, incompetent, city government ( look at Detroit, Chicago, and Pittsburg )

Not sure about the other two cities,but Detroit has been here since LaSalle sailed the Griffon. And the last I knew,Detroit hasn't had a caucasian mayor in four decades. The problem is the mindset and culture of those who dwell in the inner cities,who possess a "you owe me" mentality,reinforced by "leaders" who amplify the defective mindset. Like the idiot "black panther" swinging his baton and spouting killing "cracker babies",he's too ignorant to realise he can have and do just about anything he sents his mind to,if only he applies hinself thru hard work and perceverance. Maybe its like homosexuality...they're "just born thataway"...

[martin35]

Ihe need to steal as I see is it the same as the fostered and rationalized delusion that justifies reparation of one culture from the other. If I think you owe me you better pay me.

[wonderdog451]

If your analysis of the "need to steal" is correct, how do you explain the rape of our financial system by the likes of Bernard Madoff and the other crooks on Wall Street? I can guarantee that damage caused by the looters does not even come close to the billions they have stolen and the lives they have ruined. We also have some hard core non-black trash running rampant here in Michigan as well, who seem to have adopted most of the bad habits you claim the Black race has.

[brunop]

Decent response, Wonder. It's a fair point. Your other responses have been a bit weaker - see Ricketts post.

Now c'mon! Where are all the haters for the group-rape-think over there on the Street? That isn't one or two people like Madoff, that's an entire system. How many of them are white? How many are black?

Is it worse to steal your 401K, or a pair of Jordans?


Some people here just want to simplify and soothe their minds by saying that it is all about the brown people. It is NOT all about the brown people. It is all about the weak, non-responsibility taking, other people blaming, you-owe-me thinking, pseudo-savior-complex making of pathetic race-baiters who make a living by keeping their own down - like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Those guys are crazy like foxes: keep everybody angry, and they will always be on television. If there isn't a crisis, then their "leadership" isn't needed. Those guys are no better for blacks than Arafat was for Palestinians.

And while it would work for people of any color, there are some Chinese people on this board who are probably thinking: "Hey, they "imported" (read: 'Shanghaied') my people to California to build the railroad, then they made it illegal for us to live there when we were done, and no one is 'going to bat for me'.

Each person gets to make their choice: do I take responsibility for my life, or is someone else to blame?

[308bolt]

This thread reminds me of an episode of my ill-spent youth in Chicago.

One day a Hispanic friend of mine introduced me to a black friend of his.
As I put out my hand in friendship he backed up and gave me a dirty look.
I asked what the problem was.
He told me that I was white so I must be middle class so I was prejudiced.
I told him where I was born and raised and asked him what would happen if he walked through my neighborhood.
He told me people would look at him funny.
I asked where he lived and he told me the Green.
I asked what would happen if I walked through his neighborhood.
He told me I'd be one dead Honky. (they used that term back then)
I got nose to nose with him and said.
"And you've got the audacity to call me prejudice ******."
He loosened up like he was going to fight and I told him:
"Right here in the street".

He was smarter than I guessed because he just turned and left.

Two of my closest friends when I was in school were black.
Thing is I never noticed it same as they never noticed I wasn't.
When did blacks get so fck'n sensitive?

Edited to add:
BTW: I think shooting a restrained suspect in the back with a handgun or a taser is bullshit.
I also find the idea excuse that it was a case of mistaken weaponry to be suspect at the very least.
However, that's still no excuse for looting.

[martin35]

how do you explain the rape of our financial system by the likes of Bernard Madoff and the other crooks on Wall Street? How do we compare a singular act of criminal behavior to that of a very large groups criminality, neither is justifiable? Both are crimes of opportunity that are failure of morality and trust.
Madoff is representative of the criminal class that is furtive and shuns congregation and honest categorization, any large mob of a specific class of people must be thought representative of that class of people, logic demands it, the same logic that is used universally and illogically legislated against,,, no one should get a pass,,, but they do..

[BUFF]

"Mehserle, 28, testified during his trial that he struggled with Grant and saw him digging in his pocket..."

Handcuffed doesn't always mean controlled. I guess that is why he tried to taser Grant.

I wasn't there, I have just seen the cell phone vidoe of the shooting shown on the news. In the absense of other evidence, I'll take the jury at their word.

If these mobs were truly socially outraged, as opposed to being predisposed to criminal acts like theft, they would be burning city hall, police stations and such, not looting stores and stealing other people's property. How does stealing shoes and televisions from merchants not involved in the source of the action, express outrage? It doesn't. It's an excuse for theft, not a reason.

[wonderdog451]

Gentlemen, you need to understand that I am a minority inside a minority. I work, have an education, no kids and have a healthy, educated respect of firearms, as well as being a honorably discharged veteran. I am the wrong person to ask about interpreting ghetto behavior. Analyzing this behavior is just way beyond my abilities, and I will admit it to wholeheartedly. I get asked this question more times than I care to admit. And my answer is always the same. I do have a problem with the idea of entitlement and the welfare/ police state. I will admit that the opinions expressed here really open my eyes as to what other people think about my race and culture. I should post some of the views and comments I hear expressed about the white culture, some of them are based on fact, most are just half-truths sprouted from mainstream media bias. Sounds a lot like the crap they spout about gun-owners and people who think for themselves.

[wonderdog451]

Here is an interesting update:my brother is married to a police officer and they are using this as an example of what NOT to do! their department policy is that the taser is no where near your department-issued sidearm. Violating this policy is grounds for an immediate write-up and possible disciplinary action.You must either have it in a holster on the opposite side of your sidearm or on a front side holster set up to be drawn with your other hand.

[Bama Steve]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
I will admit that the opinions expressed here really open my eyes as to what other people think about my race and culture. I should post some of the views and comments I hear expressed about the white culture, some of them are based on fact, most are just half-truths sprouted from mainstream media bias. Sounds a lot like the crap they spout about gun-owners and people who think for themselves.

If you have the energy and desire to start down this path, we here will be more than willing to entertain you - just recognize that you could start an enigmatic discussion of paradoxical proportions which cannot be resolved within the term of mankind's existence on this planet.

We WILL go to the basement at some point.

I look forward to your perspectives - you seem to be a truly good person . . .

:biggrin:

[shlomo]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
I will admit that the opinions expressed here really open my eyes as to what other people think about my race and culture.

Wonderdog,

We have a rather large and burgeoning population of professional black people here in Atlanta (not in the sense that Jesse and Al are professional blacks, in case that's not clear). It has been my good fortune to work with and for many of them. If you think that what is being criticized here is your culture, you are dead wrong.

[BUFF]

schlomo is correct. I don't believe race has anything to do with behavior. I would call it social class or culture. It is how people are raised.

[wonderdog451]

I then stand corrected, the ghetto culture is not my lifestyle. But I think that some of the statements posted here were ludicrous and extremely demeaning. I don't even own a pair of Nikes. Much like I don't believe that most of you own and display the Confederate flag and/or belong to a white separatist group (if you do that is your business and none of mine).

[shlomo]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
I then stand corrected, the ghetto culture is not my lifestyle. But I think that some of the statements posted here were ludicrous and extremely demeaning. I don't even own a pair of Nikes. Much like I don't believe that most of you own and display the Confederate flag and/or belong to a white separatist group (if you do that is your business and none of mine).

Correctomundo, Wonderdog.

I'd wager that those who do display and cherish the Confederate flag (and I'm sure there are some--perhaps many) do so more as a thumb-in-the-eye to the Fedgov than as an in-your-face to minorities. In fact, I'd bet the percentage of the latter is in single digits.

There is too much going on right now for thinking people to be focused on skin color. It is behavior that is the issue.

[DP]

From what I have seen of these posts - there is a bit of truth on both sides of the discussion on here!!! I gotta agree with Wonderdog - if I had shot the guy or one of you who isn't LE then the book would have been thrown at the shooter. I also agree it is likely that the guy just screwed up big time and the other dude paid for it with his life. Regardless of what he was doing unless he has raped killed or been in the process thereof he didn't deserve to die at the time.
Sticky thing for me is at what point does someone who is consistently staying outside the bounds of civilized behavior deserve to pay in aggregate for his past actions??? May lead to a slippery slope - but maybe there has to be some point at which the gangbangers pay for the destruction to civilization and of their very own neighborhoods.

DP

[martin35]

The perceptions we form to protect ourselves are not necessarily based on knowing every exact circumstance or fact of what is feared, thought repulsive or cautiously avoided, our survival instinct demands a protective perception.
Racism is universal among every race in as much as every race develops a perception of the other races mostly based on known generalities and observed or reported conduct..

[Bama Steve]

Originally posted by wonderdog451
Gentlemen, you need to understand that I am a minority inside a minority.

Welcome!

:beer:

We are all "one" in this respect; You are not alone in your thoughts.

Many of us feel outside of our societal "norms" today because of the general lack of societal thought and introspection - people have no leadership or direction and as a result could care-less about anything.

Hope springs eternal though, people are waking up to the games played by politicians/shake-down-artists to keep everyone stupid and voting for them against their own collective better-interests.


(BTW, I only have a few "Don't Tread on Me" Gadsden stickers and 2 pair of "New Balance" footwear and I'm not even from this country; but I'll bet 'ol CE has a "commie flag tacked up on the wall inside of his garage" . . . with an image of Che' hanging-off of the sickle . . . )



:rofl:

[ce]

That would be Vince.

He's trying to reprise "The Motorcycle Diaries', and has taken to wearing a beret.

So far, he has failed.

[Bama Steve]

Maybe he should seek some help in attaching the beret using a nail gun?

I dunno - keep trying Vince!

:rofl:

[Varangian]

Originally posted by 308bolt

When did blacks get so fck'n sensitive?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B9QGrpdu5Y

[Seaweed]

When I was in AIT at Ft Jackson SC in 1966 one of the guys I hung around with was black. He and I and the most popular guy on post(the dude with a car) went to the beach for one weekend. While laying out in the sun, I noticed him watching us. I guess he noticed my whazzup stare, because he said words that I'll never forget.

"Y'all hate us, but y'all want to lay around in the sun so you can look like us".

[jeffrey]

Do not despair, justice seekers... Eric Holder and his U.S. Dept. of Justice are gearing up to make sure a politically correct AND popular outcome is achieved. Even though some of their staff is going to be tied up in court trying to prevent Arizona from doing anything about Mexican border incursions, don't worry. By deciding not to investigate or prosecute the New Black Panthers for their intimidation of white voters outside a Philadelphia polling place, (because all good liberals know that only a white cracka can be a racist), Holder has some of his best race lawyers ready to bring justice to Oakland.

After Holder is done with the cop, look for the civil suits to be filed.

[RG Coburn]

Madoff was easy to explain. He promised very consistent profits at much higher than average percentage on return. Simple human greed took over from there. Not one single person who invested with him was "cheated" as you can't cheat an honest man. Madoff's investors were all willing participants.

[martin35]

From what I have read Madoff was a well kept secret among the rich and famous, word of mouth brought investers to his door step all he had to do was salt the gold mine and conduct the tours.

[EinheitElf]

Looters are typical hoodlums and should be dealt with accordingly..and I dont give a crp what color or race they are.... now as to WHY they feel the need to loot their OWN NEIGHBORHOODS is way past me..but I guess draggin a big screen long distance in stiff new Pumas or Adidas may be a factor:eek:

Now I do agree that some aspects of what h appened ,the trial,the jury,the sentencing ,etc are troubling- ie adding 10 yrs because a gun was used!??!-the guy was on duty and in no other cop shooting trials have i heard a judge say this and the fact that a judge can 'enhance' based on their-basically- PERSONAL beliefs and discretion,not to mention 'career' is troubling in a big way.. the Jury was 8 women and 4 guys- I feel that some 'jury stacking' was taking place and I think one side or the other was hedging their case on the jury makeup.

Now I have to say that i seem to have a group of 'Compton' or So Central LA county 's finest' living across the street from me and they exhibit the 'typical behavior and dress codes' including swilling beer and chucking the bottles in the street INFRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE and they dont give a shiit. I being white would be the 'hater' because it is 'I who am to blame for them being dirt holes and 'being kept down' . PLEASE...get off the race trip bus ...I am a minority here in OC Cali but i am the one who cant say or do anything otherwise I would be arrested for 'hate crimes'-'but officer, they threw molotovs at my house..'-

So sick and tired ot this crap....just waiting for the 7 of them who occasionally try to stare me down try something..........have police on speed dial and my glockenspiel musical instrument nearby...

I happen to know people ,friends,coworkers from basically all groups and religions who have worked hard to get where they are and some have come from poor families and they NEVER subscribed to the ''.....so and so keeping me back'

Good luck to us all

[EinheitElf]

Oh yea, the In Justice Dept is pretty much run by a bunch of douchebags with Liberal Socialist Ass-Holder leading the way as the head Obummer appointed Douche.

[jeffrey]

Originally posted by EinheitElf
Looters are typical hoodlums and should be dealt with accordingly..and I dont give a crp what color or race they are.... now as to WHY they feel the need to loot their OWN NEIGHBORHOODS is way past me..but I guess draggin a big screen long distance in stiff new Pumas or Adidas may be a factor:eek:

Now I do agree that some aspects of what h appened ,the trial,the jury,the sentencing ,etc are troubling- ie adding 10 yrs because a gun was used!??!-the guy was on duty and in no other cop shooting trials have i heard a judge say this and the fact that a judge can 'enhance' based on their-basically- PERSONAL beliefs and discretion,not to mention 'career' is troubling in a big way.. the Jury was 8 women and 4 guys- I feel that some 'jury stacking' was taking place and I think one side or the other was hedging their case on the jury makeup.

Now I have to say that i seem to have a group of 'Compton' or So Central LA county 's finest' living across the street from me and they exhibit the 'typical behavior and dress codes' including swilling beer and chucking the bottles in the street INFRONT OF OTHER PEOPLE and they dont give a shiit. I being white would be the 'hater' because it is 'I who am to blame for them being dirt holes and 'being kept down' . PLEASE...get off the race trip bus ...I am a minority here in OC Cali but i am the one who cant say or do anything otherwise I would be arrested for 'hate crimes'-'but officer, they threw molotovs at my house..'-

So sick and tired ot this crap....just waiting for the 7 of them who occasionally try to stare me down try something..........have police on speed dial and my glockenspiel musical instrument nearby...

I happen to know people ,friends,coworkers from basically all groups and religions who have worked hard to get where they are and some have come from poor families and they NEVER subscribed to the ''.....so and so keeping me back'

Good luck to us all

Holy crap! Get the hell out of that shit hole hood. Pack up and move away.

I know, easy for me to say. Keep the Glockenspiel close.

[EinheitElf]

Actually i live in tustin, right next to the 'safest city in Cali or the USA-Irvine. Unfortunately I have seen the area going down the crapper but until my mom decides to sell the home-which she wont till she dies or we have a riot- not much I can do since she has health issues and I basically live at home, take care of stuff and try to keep her motivated and sorted out.

There are still decent people here BUT the neighborhood is gettin awfully dark then the roaches come out sometimes.....I have my lists of cars,lic plates,etc that I am keeping.....just waiting for them to smoke pot and drink outside in public or catch a pot handoff that I can confirm...then blammo, cop call.

at least I know what elements will be 1st priority if we have a power outage/earthquake/etc........

[dirtyrice]

All I have to say is if you can't tell the difference between your glock and your taser in a situation that isn't all that insane. You don't need to be a cop. Does anyone think that excuse would work for a civilian. Oh sorry I was reaching for my mace and accidentally shot the guy. Oops. Tasers even have a little laser grid that comes up right before you use it I thought, to help you aim. The weight has to be a big difference between a loaded pistol and a taser.


So either he meant to shoot the kid or he's a complete ******* moron. Take your pick. Personally I was surprised there wasn't more rioting/looting.

[martin35]

Cops are not immune to as scaredy is scaredy does. But that is not a defense.

[littlehoot]

Originally posted by shlomo


Correctomundo, Wonderdog.

I'd wager that those who do display and cherish the Confederate flag (and I'm sure there are some--perhaps many) do so more as a thumb-in-the-eye to the Fedgov than as an in-your-face to minorities. In fact, I'd bet the percentage of the latter is in single digits.



if only more people understood this in this manner

shlomo has discovered our secret handshake, he must now be quietly assimilated....

[shlomo]

Originally posted by littlehoot
shlomo has discovered our secret handshake, he must now be quietly assimilated....

Somebody must think ol' shlomo grew up in Yonkers or somethin'. ;)