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June 29, 2010, 06:29
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/06/02/military-tech-action/?test=latestnews#slide=1

101ABN327
June 29, 2010, 08:30
Is that a plastic tip?

Dopavash
June 29, 2010, 09:14
Originally posted by 101ABN327
Is that a plastic tip?

Solid Copper.

daschnoz
June 29, 2010, 09:50
After seeing this:

http://www.kirbos.net/web_pictures/M855A1.jpg


I had a feeling it would look something like this:


http://www.kirbos.net/web_pictures/M855A1_internal.jpg


I still think they are dodging the root of the problem - the 5.56 cartridge is not the right tool for the job.

brunop
June 29, 2010, 10:33
So that is the 'final version' of the m855a1? Because as of April, the Army was saying that it had failed high-temp performance testing here:

http://militarydailynews.com/2010/04/army-wont-field-deadlier-corps-round/

SOCOM & the Marine Corps are fielding the SOST round: isn't 'green', but it is an improvement in performance, and it is ready and available now. They lost faith in the Army dev program for the m855a1 round.

daschnoz
June 29, 2010, 11:15
I just hope that they don't get so hung up on the "green" thing that it delays the adoption of a more effective bullet design. I would not be surprised though...

John Culver
June 29, 2010, 14:37
Originally posted by daschnoz
I just hope that they don't get so hung up on the "green" thing that it delays the adoption of a more effective bullet design. I would not be surprised though...

They have already said that they absolutely will NOT adopt a new round that isnt green

Remember its not about soldiers lives, its about saving the environment

martin35
June 29, 2010, 15:50
Curare darts are the solution to the Greenies restrictions.

101ABN327
June 29, 2010, 16:03
They should have gone to blended metal projectiles. Those drop them like a rock!

101

the gman
June 29, 2010, 20:37
Originally posted by 101ABN327
They should have gone to blended metal projectiles. Those drop them like a rock!

101

That old chestnut has been definitively & decisively debunked as pure hokum & marketing by some smoke & mirrors con men out of AR & TX.:skull: Junk science, clever BS & oh ya, Hornady V max bullets (among others) for the demo's.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Using stereomicroscopy comparative analysis and SEM data, AFTE affiliated forensic scientists were able to prove that each of the LeMas rifle loads tested actually used commercially produced conventional rifle bullets: for example, the LeMas 5.56 mm Urban Warfare load is actually a Nosler 40 gr Ballistic Tip #39510, while the LeMas 5.56 mm Land Warfare appears to be a Sierra 45 gr JSP Varminter #1310. Similarly the LeMas .308 Land Warfare turned out to be a Hornady 110 gr JSP #3010, while the LeMas .308 TFSP is really a Hornady 110 gr VMAX #23010, and the LeMas .308 Urban Warfare is a Nosler 125 gr Ballistic Tip #30125--oh, and the one lead-free LeMas rifle load we tested, the .308 SSSP/HARPPII, turned out to use Barnes Solid 125 gr all brass bullets #30812

Read it for yourself: link (http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19888)

shlomo
June 30, 2010, 06:33
It appears that LeMas is LeMenos.

Jimi X.
June 30, 2010, 11:35
Originally posted by 101ABN327
They should have gone to blended metal projectiles. Those drop them like a rock!

101

Yes, yes! Those deadly rounds using the the secret element, "NYTRILLIUM", which is so secret, that it is not yet found on the "Periodic Table of Elements"!

Each user of those deadly rounds, are from the elite of our most clandestine services. I understand that they are sworn to secrecy regarding the effects of those "blended metal projectiles".

After inquiring discretely among some long haired soldiers, I was able to find that the effects on the human body, from a 5.56mm 70 grain projectile of "blended metal, Nytrillium" technology, even if behind a steel barrier, is much like being hit with a 50 caliber Raufoss round.

L Haney
June 30, 2010, 17:58
The search for a better projectile will continue as long as we have a rimfire diameter round. Or bump the velocity to about 8000 fps.

shlomo
June 30, 2010, 18:48
Originally posted by L Haney
The search for a better projectile will continue as long as we have a rimfire diameter round. Or bump the velocity to about 8000 fps.

Because of limited compressibility, there's only so much poop you can stuff in a five-pound bag.