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kayakpirate
March 14, 2010, 15:51
I've got this Charter Arms undercover 38 special.I just
wanted a simple no frills,low bills revolver.
Its advertised as being +P but,CA doesnt really advise it.
Its alright for defense,but not practice.The +P dont excite
me outta a 2 1/2" barrel anyway.
Thing is...the damn thing shoots RNL 158 to point of aim!I mean dead on,
with no effeort at all.Even one handed.I couldnt believe it,
fixed sights,gag...but I line the sights up and that
lead pill goes right there,every time.
RNL sucks for defense,but if I can put them where I want 'em to go,isnt
that better than the 129-135 jhp +P that doesnt?
(They group alright,just not as consistently and not point of aim.)
Something to consider.Short barrel piece,even with special short barrel
ammo,not really worth the expense for the marginal return.
Flash and blast,plus the piece shifts with the +P.
So faster second and third shot with the RNL 158.
So what do you readers at home think?
The lady or the tiger?

elbo
March 14, 2010, 17:09
try lead 158 SWC, they may shoot to the same point.

kayakpirate
March 14, 2010, 17:21
Been looking for those as well.I think youre right about that.
Those should work just as well.

Muggzy
March 15, 2010, 08:55
my opinion. .38 spl. 158 gr is gonna knock the snot out of anything ya hit at the range that little pistol was designed to be used at. I like the idea of wadcutters. They cut a nice round hole

W.E.G.
March 15, 2010, 09:24
I am unaware of ANY fixed-sight .38 Special revolver that has sights regulated for any load other than the 158-grain bullet.

A 158 between the shirt pockets is game-over every time.

Let me guess... the 125's all hit the target low?

kayakpirate
March 15, 2010, 10:01
The +P loads looked to be going a good bit
higher than point of aim.
Thanks for the input.Feel better about the
load now.

TideWater 41009
March 15, 2010, 12:17
Originally posted by W.E.G.
...A 158 between the shirt pockets is game-over every time...

.38 caliber 158 grain RN gained a terrible reputation in the Philippines a hundred years ago. I don't see how it would be different now. SWC's would be better, or so it is said.

kayakpirate
March 16, 2010, 08:10
Originally posted by TideWater 41009


.38 caliber 158 grain RN gained a terrible reputation in the Philippines a hundred years ago. I don't see how it would be different now. SWC's would be better, or so it is said.

Those were the .38 S&W. A shorter,even weaker round than
the .38 spec. I think its like 148 grain bullet going about 750
or so.Not really all that different to short barrel ballistics for
a .38 spec.Still those Phillipino guys were tough to put down.Theres
also accounts of them getting hit with the 30-40 Krag and not stopping.
They just couldnt take a hint I guess...

JohnnyMac
March 16, 2010, 14:36
Originally posted by kayakpirate
Still those Phillipino guys were tough to put down.Theres
also accounts of them getting hit with the 30-40 Krag and not stopping.
They just couldnt take a hint I guess...

Probably didn't hurt that the Moro warriors often went into battle with a little "chemical assistance" on-board. IIRC, they imbibed some kind of "jungle juice" that produced an amphetamine-like reaction. I think they also "toked da ganja" as well.

JMc

Cava3r4
May 13, 2010, 21:26
the police dept's in most US cities used 38's for many years and they seemed to work okay for them!
Try loading up some 156 grain Jacketed SWC's (at the standard 38 velocity)
Bob

BUFF
May 13, 2010, 23:10
"Those were the .38 S&W. A shorter,even weaker round than the .38 spec."

Nope, the round was the .38 Long Colt, the issue handgun cartridge of the U.S. Army from 1892 to 1911, sandwiched between the .45 Colt and the .45 ACP. It is like a shorter, weaker .38 Special, 150 grain bullet at about 770 fps, and you can shoot them in revolvers chambered for either .38 Special or .357 Magnum.

In fact, the .38 Special was developed by Smith & Wesson as a slightly more powerful version of the .38 Long Colt, so that S&W could sell handguns chambered with a cartridge not named with the dreaded rival Colt's name.

kayakpirate
May 14, 2010, 06:08
Yep...damn,my brain farts are getting me in trouble here.
Thanks Buff.:beer:
I'm going with the Winchester SWC 158's (non +p).
Shoots pretty much the same point of aim.

elbo
May 14, 2010, 06:37
Moroland (http://www.morolandhistory.com/)

also under ARTICLES read
4. The Legend of the Colt 45 Semi-Automatic Pistol and the Moros

BUFF
May 14, 2010, 12:14
"I'm going with the Winchester SWC 158's (non +p).
Shoots pretty much the same point of aim."

Good pick. I see no need to shoot RNL when SWC is available. If nothing else, the nice, sharp-edged holes in the paper target look much neater!

I bought my ex-wife a new Charter Undercover .38 when we first got married, about 30 years ago. S&W Chiefs Specials were then unobtainable. I had had a couple of their .44 Special Bulldogs, so knew what to expect. The sights on the Charters are so much bigger and blockier than S&W's, which is a very good thing, they are so much faster to pick up. It has been reliable.

Plus-P will batter them into junk pretty quickly but standard pressure ammo doesn't bother them.

W.E.G.
May 14, 2010, 12:41
38's are OK, but everybody's better with a Foh-Tay.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/jellybryce.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/Glock/glockforty.jpg

Deltaten
May 14, 2010, 21:46
Yanno yer a old "Gun-junkie" when ya recognize those pix. The second one is easy..and that gives ya a clue to the origination of the first;)