Hogue Overmold

[bobm1919]

Anyone out there ever used the Hogue overmold stock?

Either the pillar bed or full length.

Looking at one to replace a walnut on a 700 BDL and wanted some feedback.

Thanks in advance.

[Sophicles]

Have one on a Mauser .308 conversion. Very happy with it

[MAINER]

Have a full length bed one of an FN PBR. Still trying to get used to the thing. It does offer a non-slip grip for sure and unlike fibreglass it has a warm and comfy feeling. ;)
It is somewhat "tacky" and drags a bit on clothing. Works great for recoil reduction with it's cushy recoil pad.

Works fine on a bench rifle and would be a good stock on a hunting rifle used in wet and or cold conditions. It is also a lot less likely to get scratched or dented.

Except for harsh terrain or weather conditions, I don't know if I would change out a nice BDL stock for one, but I would strip Remys plastic coating and put an oil based satin finish on it. :cool:

There are quite a few new rifles with these stocks, Howa M1500 for one. A local Gunshop may have some you could try.

[tac-40]

Definitely get the full length bedding. The fore arem of the pillar bedded stocks seems to be very flexible on some rifles, allowing the stock to contact the barrel. This in turn produces accuracy issues. The full length bedding eliminates this problem.

[7.62srbest]

Depends on how your hands are made. If you can, check one out first to see if it fits you. I've seen folks buy those stocks for the 10/22's and then be unable to really get their trigger hand in the right place to be able to get their finger on the trigger correctly.

Yeah they feel good, just make sure it fits you.

[bobm1919]

Thank You for your input.

Now, the next question, this M700 is a "Classic" in .250 Savage, would this be a long or short action?

I assume it would be considered "short" given that a 30-06 is "long" but you know about assumptions - LOL.

Thanks again.

[MAINER]

Just guessing, but would believe your assumption to be correct. OAL for .250 Savage is 2.515" compared to .243 Win at 2.710" and .308 Win at 2.800"

Measure the distance between the action screws; Remington short action 6.500 / long action 7.350.

[bobm1919]

Thank You, will measure as soon as I get home.

[Beepy]

I got one on my Remmy 700 .308 win I really tried to like it, I did! I even spray painted it and everything, ready to take it out coyote busting.... but I ended up ordering a Bell & Carlson. I just REALLY like vertical target grips much better. Maybe its a 'brain' thing, but I seem to shoot better with them than a hunting type stock. Just waiting for the stock to arrive!

To be honest its a pretty good stock, it does have some "grabbiness" too it when you try to whip it up really quick, seems to get caught on some types of clothing. The krylon treatment actually tempered that just a touch while retaining the good feeling of it, you might want to try. I was told that in time the paint will rub off though... The trigger reach seemed a bit longer than what I was used to on OEM stocks, again could just be me. Other than that its pretty quiet and rugged...

Also, I did the "Quick Steel" bedding treatment as well as reinforcing the forearm with epoxy... doesn't wiggle a bit now. The rifle does shoot sub MOA so for what its worth....

[the gman]

Originally posted by MAINER
Just guessing, but would believe your assumption to be correct. OAL for .250 Savage is 2.515" compared to .243 Win at 2.710" and .308 Win at 3.800"

Measure the distance between the action screws; Remington short action 6.500 / long action 7.350.

Mainer, I'm sure you meant that to be 2.800" for the .308, correct? ;)

Even the .30-06 is only 3.340" OAL. Not picking on ya man, just making sure we give the OP the right info is all. Goodwill to all here.:bigangel:

[bobm1919]

Thank You, Mainer, for the info on the action screws.

This gun is, in fact, a "short" action.

I also like the original wood stock for this rifle but I do not wish to expose it to whatever weather may be coming over the next year.

The rifle will be used in a series of "precision" shoots that are held on my home club grounds, these shoots go forward in any weather.

Most of the guys who play this game are putting together special rifles for it as there have been a couple of times that we have really taken a beating, weather wise, out there.

The blued finish on this thing is probably not the best choice for this application but a good coat of paste wax will cover me there, but the stock is so nice that I don't want to risk it getting soaked.

Besides, I want to see what freefloating and pillar bedding will do for it.

Thank You for the info.

[MAINER]

Originally posted by the gman


Mainer, I'm sure you meant that to be 2.800" for the .308, correct? ;)

Even the .30-06 is only 3.340" OAL. Not picking on ya man, just making sure we give the OP the right info is all. Goodwill to all here.:bigangel:


Whoops! Yup, sure did! :uhoh:
Fat fingered the keyboard again. Thanks for catching that, wouldn't want folks reloading .308's with the bullets out of the case that far. :D

[the gman]

Originally posted by MAINER



Whoops! Yup, sure did! :uhoh:
Fat fingered the keyboard again. Thanks for catching that, wouldn't want folks reloading .308's with the bullets out of the case that far. :D


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

To the OP: I have 2 of the Hogue overmold stocks & have had another 2 on FN PBR rifles that I sold. I don't think I would buy another but I would buy another Bell & Carlson. Sure, for the money the Hogue looks like a good deal but I personally can't get used to the overmolding as it's too sticky for my tastes.

I have a B&C on one of my Savage rifles & it's better in terms of feel & construction than the Hogue. Get them at Stocky's Stocks at good prices: link (http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet/StoreFront)

[bobm1919]

Thanks to all who have responded so far.

In the end I went for the overmold, I find that I preferred the extended length of pull and the tackiness has not been an issue so far (this may change as the weather improves).

The next question I have is how sensitive these rifles are to stock pressure in the fore end?

The original walnut has a pad about 2 inches from the tip, this applies pressure to the barrel. With this stock the rifle is a consistent shooter, as long as attention is paid to barrel temp, however with the free float overmold the group floats about in line with the barrel temp.

I'm used to these sporter weight barrels drifting off as temp increases but this "floating group" syndrome is new to me. It will put 5 into the point of aim (as long as I do my part - LOL) when cold, the next five will be an inch or so high and left of PoA, the next five will be an inch or two right and high of PoA. The fore end on this stock does not touch the barrel no matter how warm it gets.

I am wondering if a pad placed under the barrel, to duplicate the factory stock, will held this rifle settle down. I'm sure it will change the point of impact but I can live with that. I realize that this will defeat one of the reasons for using this stock but I can only assume that as the weather improves and temps increase this problem will get worse.

I've done this treatment on an old Savage bolt gun and it did stabilize that rifle within the limit of its design.

Your thoughts?

[tac-40]

YOu could try to replicate the pad in the forearm to give you that upward pressure. But that might be hard with the open webs of the Hogue stock. You could also try something called a Barrel Deresonator from Limb Saver. It is a rubber donut that slips over the barrel and changes the harmonics to improve accuracy. Nothing permanent and I have seen them used on TV show hunting rifles.

Here is a link to Limb Saver.

https://www.limbsaver.com/store/product.php?productid=16256&cat=250&bestseller=Y

[bobm1919]

An interesting concept, kinda like those Browning devices w/o the machine work! What are they called? Oh, yeah, the BOSS.

Thank You, it is definitely something to keep in mind. I rather like the idea and if they work as advertised it would be a help.

I wondered about the thin splines on the overmold as well when I asked the question but basically that issue is just a technical problem that could be solved one way or another.

I guess what i was really asking was if anyone had seen this sort of behavior from a free floated sporter weight barrel and what could be done about it.

This device might just be the answer.

[bobm1919]

Just an update for any who might be interested.

The Limbsaver device did, in fact, work as advertised on this rifle in the free float Hogue over mold stock.

Five round groups are hovering around an inch at 100 yards, off the bench with a Harris bi-pod.

This performance is now repeatable with the device about an inch back from the muzzle. The rifle will do this as long as attention is paid to barrel temp, although it seems to be much less sensitive with the free float stock.

The loads used are 33.5 grains of IMR4895 behind a 100 grain Sierra boat tail projectile. These are the soft point style but when they are gone I will switch to the hollow points, this may change POI being that the HP's are a bit longer but that is OK.

This is the first (and so far only) load I have tried, I was impressed with it right from the start and decided to use it as the benchmark to iron out the technical issues before starting to mess with it.

Thank You to all who had input to this thread.