new used L1A1

[sar488]

Hello, I bought a used thumbhole L1A1 that I'm trying to ID some the upper reciever says L1A1 Sporter, next line, cal. 308, nxt line, CA1_ ST Alb VT the magwell is metric cut with the # 101112 on the R. side above the well on the R side below the sites the lower reciever says made in canada ca1, the rear sight flips down and a a slight groove milling on the l. top and it measures in yrds with 3. 4. 5. 6. marked on it. The frpnt sight is an inch also w/ open protectors or the wings and with a broad slot post with A set screw in front on the l. side of the front site it has these # 960-2266 then below it w/ B 61, on the L. side of the barrell toward the reciever it has B 61 960-2006 Z, the charging handle has 9602302 then F 5or poss S it's hard to make out then 9 the lower reciver on the l. side the selector switch is the inch version and has a S safe then R and then a combination E & D together or a D w/ horizontal line halfway down the D on the selector switch. on the reciever behind the selector switch it says UB (british i guess) 61 A138265 and then there is alot of stamping and some scribbing on the bolt and bolt carrier, sorry this notes so long! top of bolt carrier says Horizontal D then 1/2 crossed flags then B 61 960 2107 w/ 3 radiant marks downward ( / l \ ) kind of like that and then a H stamped on the inside. The bolt on the L. side has that ED combo 960 2104 then 3 224 6 w/ a partial upside down triangle stamped the r. side is scribbed w/ a upward pointing arrow/ 1 then 218 w/ a smaller arrow above that then a pair of crossed flags, then further down the bolt stamped is "ED" combo w/ 22 below it and below that ED combo w/ 218 below that. the bottom of the bolt is scribbed EA 121604 again sorry this is such a long note but thanks again in advance any help would really be apprec. I've already learned so much from you guys thanks!

[embatp]

sounds like a mix of british and aussie parts...the receiver shold be an imbel metric designed to take inch parts...UB/UA/UE are all british factory codes..the d with a line in it is actually a e inside a d for "enfield"....others will be along shortly to tell you the rest....

[MAINER]

"Century Butthole Fal"

Great rifles, mostly very good condition British L1A1 parts of various vintages.
Yours appears to be mostly made in 1961 at BSA and Enfield.

The Brits went nuts by stamping part and assembly numbers on most everything large enough to put a number on. Makes 'em all the more interesting to me.
Example: 9602302 is UK cat. No. B1/1005-99-960-2302 Slide, cocking handle

Legal and good to go as is. Restoration to its origional stock configuration requires it to be 922r compliant by adding the required number of US made parts. Difference of opinions amoung the membership on this, however.

Hopefully the Upper receiver is an Imbel or an Argy (Argentina)

[sar488]

Thanks for the info, just went out and shot her yesterday seemed to function fine, actually shot very well, I just need some sight tweeks and eventually will replace the thumbhole stock ( though my teen son thinks it very cool), The upper I'm pretty sure is an Imbel so thats good, thanks again for all the help and advice, its very appreciated! On the compliant parts I've seen some people say 7 and some say 10, I guess this is the diff. your referring to. I was thinking of doing plastic furniture for it, or eventually a para ( i've always liked those), but after seeing alot of pics of wood on everyones, they really look very nice....hmmm....decisions! thanks and have a good day!

[MAINER]

Compliant parts:
You may have no more than 10 of the following parts.

(1) Receiver
(2) Barrel
(3) Muzzle attachment
(4) Bolt
(5) Bolt carrier
(6) Gas piston
(7) Trigger housings (lower receiver?)
(8) Operating rod (cocking handle?)
(9) Trigger
(10) Hammer
(11) Sear
(12) Buttstock
(13) Pistol grip
(14) Handguards
(15) Magazine body
(16) Magazine Follower
(17) Magazine Floorplate

You will need to replace 6 parts from the list. If you put an origional Flashhider back on, you will then need a 7th US made part.

PS; It is considered extremely poor taste to hack up an exaulted Commonwealth rifle for a para. :redface:
Feel free to use any ole metric you may come across however! :D

[concretus]

Originally posted by MAINER
Compliant parts:
You may have no more than 10 of the following parts.

(1) Receiver
(2) Barrel
(3) Muzzle attachment
(4) Bolt
(5) Bolt carrier
(6) Gas piston
(7) Trigger housings (lower receiver?)
(8) Operating rod (cocking handle?)
(9) Trigger
(10) Hammer
(11) Sear
(12) Buttstock
(13) Pistol grip
(14) Handguards
(15) Magazine body
(16) Magazine Follower
(17) Magazine Floorplate

You will need to replace 6 parts from the list. If you put an origional Flashhider back on, you will then need a 7th US made part.

PS; It is considered extremely poor taste to hack up an exaulted Commonwealth rifle for a para. :redface:
Feel free to use any ole metric you may come across however! :D

I know, I know. This is probably a dumb question. A Century L1A1 w/ an Imbel receiver..... The receiver IS or IS NOT a compliance part? Aside from the awful thumbhole stock, what else if any is a compliant part for them to be able to sell the rifle?

[W.E.G.]

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[kev]

The Imbel is imported, so it counts as one of your 10 imported parts if you're going to convert it back to PG. The reason the Century thumbhole guns are as good as they are is that they're entirely imported parts except for the thumbhole stock. Back when they were built and sold, it was enough to simply do away with the PG and cut the threads off the muzzle. No US parts were required. Since they started with the excellent Imbel receiver and true milsurp parts sets, even Century had a difficult time screwing up.

Once that loophole closed up, it became necessary to cobble one together full of garbage US parts and that's when the Century guns started to get such a bad reputation. Folding gas pistons, 40 cent H/T/S sets, lousy furniture and non-functional mag followers all had a detrimental effect on function(actually, the rubbery furniture just looked bad and made the rifle feel cheap).

I still think the butthole Century guns are best with a swapped out Dragunov stock and to hell with the US parts crap. I still don't trust internals made by the lowest bidder without gov't oversight or inspection. The Drag stock isn't the nicest thing to look at, but it's a hundred times better than the original Century 'thing' and it is comfortable.