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USMC 0341
May 06, 2009, 08:08
Here are my three favorite 45 caliber six-shooters -

- A Colt Second Model Dragoon replica,

- A USFA peacemaker with 7 1/2 inch barrel in 45 Colt,

- A S&W Mountain Gun in 45 Colt.

Three wheelguns to represent three different eras.

molotov
May 06, 2009, 08:27
45 Colt?

Yeah, you've got good taste.

How do you like that mountain gun and how hot of loads will it handle?

I've always been a peacemaker fanatic.

MAINER
May 06, 2009, 09:32
I can "almost" match your trio.

1, Colt third Model dragoon
2, Uberti, 7 1/2' Black powder frame......(Dang thing shoots 5" too high)
3, S&W Model 24, 4" in .44 Spec.


45 Colt is a great cartridge, easy to reload and lots of options.


Nice set of Pistolas! Congrats! :bow:


Now, if I can find a couple of small trees growing close together, I can put some adjustment on that Uberti! :tongue:

A-ALLOY
May 06, 2009, 12:14
Wonderful, nice little bit of history to ponder this morning.Nice S&W.

A-Alloy

USMC 0341
May 09, 2009, 18:06
I grew up in west Texas so Peacemakers were always on my mind. I have three SAA types in 45 Colt so when I was looking for a big bore DA revolver it made sense to me to find something in the same chambering.

My first handguns were cheap, brass framed, cap and ball revolvers and I always wanted to upgrade to a Dragoon. The problem with the Walker's loading lever cancelled that out for me. When looking at the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd model Dragoons I skip the 1st for the better lock-up of the later two. But I do like the squareback triggerguard so I went after the 2nd.

I saw another 2nd model at a gun show a couple weeks ago - I thought about making it a brace but the seller's attitude cancelled my enthusiasm.

USMC 0341
May 10, 2009, 07:15
Originally posted by Blue Monster
Did you make a loading base?

About 90% of my recreational shooting is and always has been done from the side of a dirt road out in the desert. Even if I had a loading base there usually is no place to put it so I usually load standing up.

My old black powder gear is long gone and I am just getting it together for this Dragoon pistol. I just got a flask - still don't know how many grains the spout measures to. I will probably be ordering a capper before long.

Anybody know what size round balls a San Marco 2nd Model Dragoon uses?

trucksurfer
May 16, 2009, 10:37
Originally posted by USMC 0341
Here are my three favorite 45 caliber six-shooters -

- A Colt Second Model Dragoon replica,

- A USFA peacemaker with 7 1/2 inch barrel in 45 Colt,

- A S&W Mountain Gun in 45 Colt.

Three wheelguns to represent three different eras.

0341, you have excellent taste in wheelguns! That is the kind of pic that qualifies as porn to me!

doubletap
May 16, 2009, 21:13
Originally posted by USMC 0341
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Anybody know what size round balls a San Marco 2nd Model Dragoon uses? [/B]

Start off with some .454" and see how they work for you. You might be able to go to .457" depending on your chamber throats. If you use a lubricated wad under the ball you can dispense with using a grease over the top of the ball, lots easier and less messy in the field. If you use felt insoles meant for things like Sorel boots, split in half for thickness, dipped into melted mink oil grease for boots, you can make some really good wads for much less then the price of the Wonder Wads. An old Altoids tin is a good packing around container for them too. Yeah, I grew up shooting percussion revolvers for my field and hunting use too.

I've always liked the 2nd Model Dragoons for the same reason as yourself. The Walker is just a primitive beast of a pistol, the 1st model is a bit crude for my tastes, but the 2nd model packs most of the Walker power into a refined (for a Dragoon pistol) package.

Nice classy trio, understated elegance is always easy on the eyes.

Doubletap

USMC 0341
May 17, 2009, 06:44
Thanks for the compliments, guys.

I had been thinking about posing these three together after my last visit in September. I think the wear on the hotel table top was just the right background for them. The original photo is much better but I had to re-size this to fit FALFiles photo posting limitations.

vmtz
May 17, 2009, 07:51
Originally posted by doubletap


Start off with some .454" and see how they work for you. You might be able to go to .457" depending on your chamber throats. If you use a lubricated wad under the ball you can dispense with using a grease over the top of the ball, lots easier and less messy in the field. If you use felt insoles meant for things like Sorel boots, split in half for thickness, dipped into melted mink oil grease for boots, you can make some really good wads for much less then the price of the Wonder Wads. An old Altoids tin is a good packing around container for them too. Yeah, I grew up shooting percussion revolvers for my field and hunting use too.

I've always liked the 2nd Model Dragoons for the same reason as yourself. The Walker is just a primitive beast of a pistol, the 1st model is a bit crude for my tastes, but the 2nd model packs most of the Walker power into a refined (for a Dragoon pistol) package.

Nice classy trio, understated elegance is always easy on the eyes.

Doubletap

Tell me more about these wads? I thought that one always had to use the grease over the ball?

It is for that reason that I rarely shoot my 1858. I just recently picked up a 54cal Hawkens left handed.

Fr. Vince

vmtz
May 17, 2009, 19:34
So what does one use to make the wads and what is the easiest way to cut them? what else can one use to coat the wads?

Can one use old cloth, like pillow sheets?

Fr. Vince

trucksurfer
May 18, 2009, 07:14
A craft shap may also have the tool you need to cut these out, it's called a wadcutter, just like the bullets that were named after them.

vmtz
May 18, 2009, 07:46
Do they have to be super greasy or just lightly greased?

Do they affect the power?

Fr. Vince

trucksurfer
May 18, 2009, 08:42
Originally posted by vmtz
Do they have to be super greasy or just lightly greased?

Do they affect the power?

Fr. Vince

The commercial ones aren't all that greasy. I have used the wads he indicated, they are great and not that greasy to the touch. I had someone tell me about them when I bought my 1860, and have pretty much used them exclusively. I tried the dab of crap in the end of each chamber, not fun.
They do not have an effect on power. They simply act as a wad over the powder charge, and will help with bullet deformation from heat, especially when shooting conicals instead of balls.
If you're doing some extended shooting with your revolver and don't want to swab the barrel out after each cylinder full you can seat an additional wad over the ball. It doesn't effect accuracy, and helps keep the bore clean shot after shot.

Something to consider as a lube would be T/C Bore Butter, great stuff!

bykerhd
May 18, 2009, 09:26
I was standing next to a guy when 4 chambers went off on a Colt replica one time. One down the pipe, one slammed in to the rammer and flattened out and the other two went ???
Nobody got killed or hurt, except maybe MY eardrums. Awful lucky at just that.

Crisco over the ball use to be the "fix" to prevent multiple discharges. Kind of messy, but it actually helped keep blackpowder clean-up fairly easy.
The greased ? felt wads under the ball seem to work quite well.
Of course, you'll never know for sure as all is fine UNTIL, or unless you get a multiple discharge accident.
Sort of like condoms ?:biggrin:

USMC 0341
May 18, 2009, 10:54
I always used a 0.445 ball in my 1858 and other true 44 caliber revolvers. This always left a small, lead ring in the mouth of the cylinder.

I had used crisco to "seal" the chambers but this burned off after the 3rd or 4th round.

Another method I had heard about was to load the chamber and top off with corn or oat meal (black powder load was 60 grains for a Walker, 50 grains for 1st/2nd/3rd Dragoon, 40 grains for a '58 Rem/'60 Army) and then load the ball. The inert powder usually will stop the errant sparks.

Sometimes old school is best.