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21inchPeter
March 24, 2009, 18:24
http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm

We can get Aussie bolt guns in this country right? I wouldn't expect BATFE to hate on them.

mitchellh
March 24, 2009, 19:15
Negative. They've been working on this for several years now. No-Joy.

When I first contacted Marstar several years ago, they referred me to Sabre Defense, now out of business.

Gander Mountian just aquired 138 of M10 versions and that will probably be it.

Aprox 263 made it into the states per this thread.

Too bad.:?

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=41756&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

brownknees
March 24, 2009, 22:07
Sorry to tell you this, but, they look like real Enfields, but aren't.
Kind of like the "New Triumph" motorcycles kept the exterior appearance, but changed the guts.

DYNOMIKE
March 25, 2009, 19:54
If it aint an OLD Enfield, it AINT NO Enfield.. :wink:

Blackmore
March 25, 2009, 20:03
Overpriced vaporware.

PMELTECH
March 25, 2009, 21:34
I like mine:D Quality is outstanding. The receiver is thicker than both my Mk4s and it is just as smooth. Chrome lined. Better scope mounting system (you do lose the stripper clip option). There are NO surplus parts in this rifle. AIA really did a good job. Some of the green powder in the pics is lint from the gun sock I keep it in.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2h.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2g.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2f.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2e.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2d.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2c.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2b.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10A2a.jpg

Hellion Productions
March 26, 2009, 00:42
What I wouldn't give to have a No.4 Mk.4. Man, oh, man, I've wanted one of these for years.

AIA needs to wake up, and license a US manufacturer to produce them, and skip the poison-pill Vietnamese parts that are keeping them from getting imported.

Best,
JBR

StoneyCreekMrMauser
March 26, 2009, 16:39
Dude, is that an Enfield that fires 7.62x39?! Sweet! These guys need to get on the ball and send some my way. A great truck gun I see, hmm?

Andy the Aussie
March 26, 2009, 17:41
They are readily available out here of course. I have seen a few and have been relatively impressed by the quality. It is the stock work that is done in Asia I believe but I am not 100%. I believe Ian Skennerton has an association with the company producing them here.

No1 Mk3s converted to 7.63x39 feeding from 10 round modified AK magazines are common here as well, my gunsmith does several each year (he is retired) neat concept but the round just does not impress me enough (in a bolt gun) to go to the trouble.

Andy:beer:

21inchPeter
March 26, 2009, 21:42
Uh, that is a mad minute zombie blaster waitin' to happen. I don't know how anyone couldn't love that thing.

brownknees
March 26, 2009, 21:45
Check the weight for a bolt action 7.62 Russian short.:uhoh:
If I'm getting a 9+ pound Enfield & it isn't in .303 then I want .308.:|

Stoney
March 26, 2009, 22:46
i like my 762x39 FAL and my 762x39 AR

PMELTECH
March 26, 2009, 23:01
I have another one on the layaway right now and I am seriously contemplating a 6.5 Grendel conversion for that unit. All it would take is a barrel change (20" fluted stainless). No other mods should be needed. The barrel is attached to the receiver utilizing a lock-nut just like Savage 110 and the bolt head is the same. As a matter of fact my Savage barrel wrench fits perfectly. I checked. I also believe the barrel threads at the breach end are the same as a Savage barrel. This should be an easy barrel swap. The 10 round mag should work for the conversion but the 30 rounder would be pushing it because of the shape of the Grendel case. I purchased more than a few thousand IMI 7.62x39 cases recently (from Wideners) with this conversion in mind. I was told that reforming these cases to 6.5 Grendel would not be that difficult. I know, famous last words. As for the weight, I'm betting the recoil is damn near non-existent. It does balance well. Now if AIA can get their act together and start importing some M10B2s (or produce them here as was previously stated) I would be a happy camper. BTW, the flash supressor on the rifle is threaded onto the barrel and the allen screw on the unit is to clamp it to the threaded end to keep it from turning.

Hellion Productions
March 27, 2009, 13:21
PMELTECH,

Is there anything to indicate that this is a dedicated short action meant only for 7.62x39 length magazines?
Will a 7.62 NATO length mag fit in the mag well?
And does the bolt head spin off like a regular Enfield?

I'm wondering if I should just buy one for the action, and see if I can work up a rifle around it.

If you can, sir, I'd love to see a shot of the barrel locking nut, with the top handguard off. Thanks in advance.

Best,
JBR

sjm
March 28, 2009, 22:04
I am in Australia and I have a M10 B1 sporter in 308Win and I am very happy with it but only fault? is the weight this from the heavy teak but then again it can take any hard knock better than walnut and they are fast to operate.

I have heard that the magazines in 7.62x39 are hand fitted to the rifle so if the dealer mixes them up you will get the odd jam also after market mags. the same will happen unless you work on the magazine to make it work.

mitchellh
March 29, 2009, 17:56
I couldn't resist the urge, my wife's not speaking to me now:rofl:

H.P. here's some pictures for you, Sorry I negelected to get pictures of the bottom of the receiver. Also, what do you mean by 7.62 NATO length magazines?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1926/l1030851edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030851edited1.jpg)

20 round Hungarian mag.

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1715/l1030852edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030852edited1.jpg)

Barrel
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6666/l1030842edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030842edited1.jpg)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9135/l1030843edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030843edited1.jpg)

Bolt head, spins off just as a real Enfield does

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2259/l1030844edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030844edited1.jpg)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4026/l1030846edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030846edited1.jpg)

Receiver
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2593/l1030847edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030847edited1.jpg)

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9382/l1030848edited1.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030848edited1.jpg)

Free Floating Barrel

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2441/l1030849edited1.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030849edited1.jpg)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7024/l1030850edited1.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l1030850edited1.jpg)

Now, what to sell to make the wife happy again?

Hellion Productions
March 30, 2009, 13:12
Great shots! Thanks.

By 7.62 NATO mag length, basically, will a FAL, M-14, or G3 mag fit in the mag well.

Not necessarily lock up, because of the different locking lugs, but just if there is a long mag well, with an interior spacer for the AK mags, or if the mag well is dedicated for only mags of .223/7.62x39 length.

If so, maybe this could be a donor action, and more powerful rifles could be built off it with a simple rebarrel, just like Savages. If not, the rifle looks like a great utility piece, no matter what. Try getting a magazine conversion and peep sights put on a conventional sporter, and see what the gunsmith's bill runs up to...Hoo, nelly!


Great shots, again. As for paying for it...do you REALLY need both kidneys? :biggrin:

Best,
JBR

StoneyCreekMrMauser
March 30, 2009, 14:27
mitchellh, THAT is just too damn cool! :bow: This is one of those cases where practicality is overturned by raw coolness. I have absolutely no reason to own one other than to have a 7.62x39 Enfield that uses AK mags. I cannot think of a better reason to own one.

brownknees
March 30, 2009, 16:50
I think it was in a different forum/thread but there was a picture from below of this rifle.
The magazine & trigger plate seemed to be cut for a shorter magazine (lengthways) but the stock cutout seemed to be full length for a .303 magazine.
This left a big "hole" in the bottom of the stock.:uhoh:

PMELTECH
March 30, 2009, 22:34
JBR,
I have been making some phone calls (thank goodness for my international calling plan) and some online chatting, and I have been able to determine that the action for this rifle should be the same as the M10 B series (.308 win) of rifles. The only difference between the rifles should be:

1. magazine adapter (mag well) which is attached with two pins to the underside of the receiver itself ( hole in the front of the receiver and the other on the trigger pivot boss (both as seen from the side)

2. Bolt head (bolt body should be the same as with firing pin)

3. Barrel (of course)

4. maybe the rear sight and definitely the front sight. But, I do not see why the 7.62x39 front sight cannot be used if you have a barrel with the same threads on the muzzle.

5. magazine. (of course) AIA states they utilize 10 round M14 magazines.

I still have no physical proof of any of this but hopefully we will receive some pics from our Aussie or Canadian brothers and sisters of .308 versions to compare the two versions. If it is true, I would love to turn mine into a L42 type clone :) . I am still trying to work this but I have no idea how to get hold of the conversion parts except by calling/e-mailing AIA direct or taking a trip to Canada.

The mags I have in the pics below are USGI M-14 mags that I converted for use in M1As And AR-10s. These fit the magazine cut-out in the trigger trigger guard perfectly. The mags move in and out with little effort but the fit is close. That means if the M10 B sreies uses the same trigger guard, M14 mags are not meant to "rock" into latched position as per loading an M14. Instead they go straight in as per AR series rifles.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10STRIPa.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10STRIPb.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10STRIPc.jpg
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http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10STRIPg.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu210/PMELTECH148FW/M10STRIPh.jpg
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Hellion Productions
March 30, 2009, 23:35
Thank you, gentlemen, you made my night. Good news. I'm going to start calling around Gander Mountains and see if I can get a transfer to NV.

Best,
John Bear Ross

mitchellh
March 31, 2009, 18:54
Originally posted by StoneyCreekMrMauser
mitchellh, THAT is just too damn cool! :bow: This is one of those cases where practicality is overturned by raw coolness. I have absolutely no reason to own one other than to have a 7.62x39 Enfield that uses AK mags. I cannot think of a better reason to own one.

TY, that's how I sold to myself on it very quickly. Still working on the wife though.

H.P. I hope you are succesful.

PMELTECH, where did you get the barrel wrench thingy?

PMELTECH
March 31, 2009, 21:58
The barrel wrench thingy is from www.midway.usa with a part # 288765. It is a Savage barrel nut wrench by Wheeler Engineering and it is on sale until 30APR09 for $23 ($15 off regular price)

JBR, let me know if you have any luck having one transferred from Gander Mtn. The Gander Mtn. near me may have another in stock according to a friend in their firearm dept.

milhol
April 09, 2009, 22:42
Australian International Arms builds the rifles in Australia, the wood is teak and comes from SE Asia, sometimes from Vietnam. I believe the wood is finished in Australia. Teak is used as it is a lot tougher than other woods and handles abuse better.
Rifles are built not manufactured which is why there is not that many of them and the higher than average prive but considering the quality it is worth it.

http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/

They are currently building rifles in two calibres, 7.62x39 and .308 NATO.

The rifles can be had in many different configurations.

http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/product.htm

Ian Skennerton is assosciated with building the rifles. Their plant is located near Brisbane in Qld.

Ian has the M10-B2 and the rifle shoots sub MOA consistently. They also have an ex SAS sniper testing and evaluating their rifles to assist them in building a good quality product.

At this stage they have no distributors in the US but talks are ongoing. They do have a distributor in Canada that you might be able to utilise.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm

Stock magazines can be fitted to the rifles with some work done to the magazine.

Go here for the testing results; http://www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/tests.htm

Andy the Aussie
April 09, 2009, 22:55
Seems someone paged "The Gay Avenger" and look who arrived.... :rofl: :rofl: :p :beer: