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32ndgeorgia
February 27, 2009, 09:16
What is the best host gun to use to create a handy rifle in this caliber? This ammo seems to be about the only surplus available. I would like to use CZ 26 magazines (30) rounds. It should be a semi-auto and handy.

It would be great if Keltec built one. I would sure buy it. I would also buy a modern pistol in this caliber. I have CZ 52s and they are not modern pistols. The pistol should take CZ 26 mags too.

Long time ago, I saw a meeper alumabomb 7.62x25 on this board. How hard would that be to build?

Also what about an M1 Carbine?

Thanks for any help!

Deltaten
February 27, 2009, 09:57
Ahhh.. the long-sought X25 carbine.... a wonderful exercise of mind and skills.

jerryMrC did an alumabomb up into that carbine. LOtsa tweaks ta get it working. A sweet piece nonetheless.
If M-1 carbines weren't so spendy ta begin with, I'd go that route. We were just talking of scratch building one from an AK based parts set with magwell and such grafted from a CZ26 or such. I submitted some wonderment of the possibilities of using the CZ52 as a base; but have since reconsidered... wayyyy too much engineering and machine work.

I will get to it once the 5.45X39 rifle is done !! ;) And THAT comes after the shorty para conversion is actually operable!!
SO many projects; so little time :D

Best,
Paul

matchmakertrading.com
February 27, 2009, 10:24
There is an AK conversion in this cal on Gunbroker. There was a link to it in one of the forums here... had a PPSH barrel on it

chromestarhustler
February 27, 2009, 10:53
i am working on a sks in this caliber.

muttman
February 27, 2009, 10:58
32nd,
what is the main reason for the cz 26 mags? I just got my barrel and will be starting on a x25 build. the pps mags look easer to work with.

muttman

JeepsAndGuns
February 27, 2009, 12:15
I was thinking it would be cool to have a AR upper in this caliber. Probably build or base it off a 9mm upper.


I also think it would be kinda cool to have a 1911 style pistol in this caliber. Double stack would be cool as well.

32ndgeorgia
February 27, 2009, 13:27
In looking around the Internet I found this.

http://www.prexis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=P&Product_Code=PDBPK&Category_Code=UMKAM

This seems to be a good candidate except I wanted a carbine not a pistol.

Gazz
February 28, 2009, 08:27
The Tokarov is essentially a 1911 style pistol in that caliber. Not the best grip IMO but good sturdy and reliable pistols.

justashooter
February 28, 2009, 11:05
last year i built a 9mm carbine based on a KG99 (TEC9 style) upper assy and a suomi parts kit and mags. gonna do it again in 7.62X25 with a 16" barrel from a vendor on gunbroker and some cz26 mags i just received.

muttman
February 28, 2009, 18:49
Originally posted by 32ndgeorgia
In looking around the Internet I found this.

http://www.prexis.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=P&Product_Code=PDBPK&Category_Code=UMKAM

This seems to be a good candidate except I wanted a carbine not a pistol.

there is a carbine version it uses a mp5 buttstock and a fake sound can.

http://www.gunco.net/forums/f151/p-7-carbine-navy-lower-aurora-faux-suppressor-43486/

muttman

justashooter
March 01, 2009, 09:22
http://www.weaponeer.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7550&PN=1

link to a write up on mine, with pix.

muttman
March 01, 2009, 11:36
justashooter,
that is a nice build. muttman

justashooter
March 01, 2009, 13:38
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=122563846

the 30 tokarev barrel cut for AK conversions. this guy will cut to any profile you want for same price. i am having one cut straight .750 from breech to natural taper, as muzzle is only .626".

muttman
March 02, 2009, 13:34
I thought of a "blank " barrel then I found a barrel over at omega wepons for $35 and I can add a long 6" break. this build has gotten biger than I thought. I have two buds that are starting to get in to building (a little late) and have barrels in hand and are watting for me to start my build to copy.

muttman

Clark
March 04, 2009, 12:49
I got a 1903 Turkish Mauser form BIG5 for $50.
I got a Rem721 30-06 take off barrel from EBAY for $42.
I got a 30 Mauser reamer.
I TIG welded on the extractor.
I drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
I TIG welded the bolt handle.

I went to the range twice with S&B 85 gr 7.62x25mm ammo.

With a 40X scope, the best I did was 1.2" 3 shot group at 100 yards.

1.3" 5 shot group at 50 yards, 2.33" 5 shot group at 100
yards [could barely see the target with 4x scope]


I would not think of this project as a success.
Converting Mausers to .223 or Tokarev is too much trouble to add to the extractor.

To remove extractor material for conversion to 300 WM is ok, but adding does not work as well.

indy_Muaddib
March 04, 2009, 16:17
have to find it again but ive seen a M1 Carbine in 7.62x25

muttman
March 05, 2009, 11:15
Originally posted by indy_Muaddib
have to find it again but ive seen a M1 Carbine in 7.62x25

now that would work for me:biggrin:
muttman

jerrymrc
March 05, 2009, 17:18
And everyone thought I was crazy when I built my 7.62X25. In my defense I will say there is no way I would have a stock weight Fal in X25 or even .223

A quote burned into my brain from way back when.

August 07, 2003
No attempt at a flame here. I just don't understand the purpose of taking a main battle rifle and trying to chamber it in a handgun caliber, or 7.62x39, or whatever. Doesn't that make it fundamentally not what you originally liked it for? Just curious.

indy_Muaddib
March 05, 2009, 17:24
the first assault rifle used what was essentially a pistol caliber

http://blogsimages.skynet.be/images/001/014/525_cf3ac0dada58d3d59f62442f2df76677.JPG

a-kmanator
March 05, 2009, 20:08
I've done an AK in x25 caliber using a pps43 barrel and magwell.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/a-kmanator/100_0166fb1.jpg

jerrymrc
March 05, 2009, 22:16
Originally posted by a-kmanator
I've done an AK in x25 caliber using a pps43 barrel and magwell.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/a-kmanator/100_0166fb1.jpg

I remember seeing that and I like it.:beer:

kychas
March 08, 2009, 22:07
is this ak gas or blow back?
also could you post info about how you did things, I have bought a barrel and pps43 mag well and am trying to find a good design to go by.

muttman
March 09, 2009, 09:25
kychas
ware did you get a pps43 mag well from? I have not found just a mag well.

muttman

a-kmanator
March 09, 2009, 09:27
Originally posted by kychas
is this ak gas or blow back?
also could you post info about how you did things, I have bought a barrel and pps43 mag well and am trying to find a good design to go by.
It's blowback.........Here's the link:biggrin:

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19839

kychas
March 09, 2009, 15:56
The magwell is from Omega Weapons systems
$20 shipped.
It is a lower, not very clean but it will work.
I think they also have barrels also.

muttman
March 09, 2009, 23:18
kychas,
thanks. I just got 3 of there barrels the other day, for the price not bad. I figgerd the lower had the mag cut off. it would be nice to eye some photoes on his wabe page. muttman

'TUDE
March 11, 2009, 21:06
Seriously, I want to make a move on a x25 carbine soon. Who out there is building the PPsh versions? I know MGS has them listed but they've been on backorder forever. I don't want to undertake the build myself.

Are there any carbines (any type) being offered by anybody else, private or otherwise?

Teddydog
March 16, 2009, 18:09
Build a semi-auto PPSh-43! Kits can be had for $75-100 plus a barrel for about $40. Receiver and trunion from MGS. Lots of info on the Weapons Guild site. I've got two kits I'm going to build. Probably 1 as a carbine and 1 as a pistol.

rob

'TUDE
March 16, 2009, 22:38
Originally posted by Teddydog
Build a semi-auto PPSh-43! Kits can be had for $75-100 plus a barrel for about $40. Receiver and trunion from MGS. Lots of info on the Weapons Guild site. I've got two kits I'm going to build. Probably 1 as a carbine and 1 as a pistol.

rob
Isn't there considerable milling that has to be done as well as retrofitting AK FCG parts? Please document your process for us to see.

Teddydog
March 17, 2009, 09:01
I certainly did not mean to imply that building an PPSh-43 is easy! It is much more involved than building an AK or an FAL. But most of the difficult machining work can be farmed out (on this build, there are some bolt modifications to do, but they are not THAT hard to do). The current "favorite" build for the -43 uses a lightly modified Remington 870 shotgun FCG.

--I have NOT done my build yet. I am working on Sten and Suomi SMGs first.
--The build process is NOT mine. I'm getting all of my info from the great group of guys over at Weapons Guild (http://www.prexis.com/sten/homebuilder/index.php) .
--It is fun and rewarding to shoot a firearm that you built yourself.

Rob

stimpsonjcat
March 17, 2009, 10:43
My good friend (Fabricator on this board) invented the shotty trigger group idea.

Him smart!

Penumbrian
March 22, 2009, 20:07
AR type looks like it will be possible without too much work in the near future. Magwell blocks are going into production and the Teppo Jutsu folks have the barrel and shortened gas system worked out.

detroit360
March 25, 2009, 20:36
I have a Universal 30 cal carbine, spring blow back non gas that I have been thinking about trying a conversion on for a year and a half now, the one thing that I wonder about is if I ream out the chamber on the original barrel the bullet won't engage the rifeling for about a 1/4 to 5/16 of an in. as the shell on the 7.62 x 25 is about that much shorter, will it make a big difference? what do you all think?

indy_Muaddib
March 25, 2009, 22:16
you can hit up DGR for a unchambered barrel, he may have a few available

http://www.dgrguns.com/