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dmack
January 27, 2009, 22:09
Howdy FALaholics!

I'm a newbie to the FAL world (I guess better late than never!) and I've been looking over some of the published prints of the FAL receiver and comparing to some actual receivers. I've searched the forum and looked in other places, and I haven't yet found anything detailing the semi-auto ejector block. I've heard that these ejector blocks at one time came loose with the earlier parts kits. I was hoping to get my hands on one to measure up and model. Does anyone know of a source for these ejector blocks. I'd like to obtain a couple for comparison and reverse engineering. ....or even better does anyone know of an accurate set of prints for these?

Thanks for your help in advance.

-Dmack

USMC 0341
January 29, 2009, 06:26
Correct me if I'm wrong - but are you looking for an ejector block from a FAL kit?

Most (if not all) of the ejector blocks from FAL parts kits would not be semi-auto blocks, they would be full-auto ejector blocks. So not only would they be of little use to model a semi-auto block but you wouldn't want to install one in a semi-auto FAL in the USA.

dmack
January 29, 2009, 08:35
true - I guess if one were building a post 86 dealer gun they could be useful. However your're right...for my purposes I'd like to model a semi-auto design. I haven't seen any full auto ejector blocks so I'm not quite sure the differences. Regardless, I was thinking that the mag release and bolt hold open part features would be identical between the two. (could be wrong) and therefore would be useful.

Ron Walker
January 29, 2009, 13:17
The full auto block would have a channel cut in it's left (from rear) side for the safety sear to work through. The semis would be solid in that area. Ron

4895SHOOTER
January 29, 2009, 17:40
Does that mean that the FA block could serve as a model for dimensioning/constructing a legal SA block which would be solid on the left side?

dmack
January 29, 2009, 17:47
4895Shooter....that's exactly what I'm thinking. Does anyone have any old ones laying around with no purpose?

-Dmack

4895SHOOTER
January 29, 2009, 19:02
Gun Parts Guy has these listed on the website in very good condition for $7.99. There is also an excellent photo showing both the front and back and which I believe shows the cut on the left side of the block. See for yourself: http://estore.websitepros.com/832529/Detail.bok?no=729 . This is interesting - keep us posted!

J. Armstrong
January 29, 2009, 19:40
Be advised that installimg one will probably take some fitting, especially for the pins. To do the job correctly almost always means a receiver refinishing as the last step !!

W.E.G.
January 29, 2009, 19:46
The cut-away area indicated by the red line will be absent in a true semi-auto ejector block.

This one is from an L1A1.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/ejectorblock-L1A1-fullauto2.jpg

Dwalton
January 30, 2009, 17:34
Umm. WEG , that slot is for the mag release . The cut out for the safety sear is on the other side .

DJW
;)

4895SHOOTER
January 30, 2009, 18:00
Thanks for clarifying that - I was a little worried!

elbo
January 30, 2009, 20:33
Originally posted by USMC 0341
Most (if not all) of the ejector blocks from FAL parts kits would not be semi-auto blocks, they would be full-auto ejector blocks. So not only would they be of little use to model a semi-auto block but you wouldn't want to install one in a semi-auto FAL in the USA.
Century reused surplus ejector blocks in their receivers. A dab of weld in the sear cut, just enough to show intent.

4895SHOOTER
January 30, 2009, 20:38
Seems like the cost effective thing to do considering the price. Considering the alignment I've seen in some new receivers - doing it right yourself could save some frustration if they were offered minus the block - oh not the 80% though!

dmack
February 01, 2009, 11:54
Thanks for the responses and info. I went ahead an purchased one from Sarco..... As soon as it arrives I'll hopefully be able to finish the model.

I've realize how critical the ejector block alignment is.....I actually just sent one of the receivers back to the mfg becuase of misalignment of the 10-32 tapped cross hole.

-Dmack

Ron Walker
February 01, 2009, 13:37
Century reused surplus ejector blocks in their receivers. A dab of weld in the sear cut, just enough to show intent.

A Hesse I have has the FA with an open channel - no weld - but the takedown pin buttress blocks it anyway, so no problem. Ron

4895SHOOTER
February 01, 2009, 19:47
You're not the only one who got a misaligned block. Let me guess, the hole was too far forward or the block was not fully seated to the rear? I retapped mine with a machine screw, but it did slightly graze the receiver. The screw head fits it's recess with enough room though. I checked a rifle by the same mfg. and the screw head was a little forward in the recess with the same gap behind the block also so it seems they don't do this by accident - magazines fit tight. Anyone else have this issue - let's hear from you!

muttman
February 02, 2009, 11:06
just so I under stand this, you can not use the "old F/A block" even if there are no other FA parts and that part of the block is welded closed ? if this is true than why can one use a factry FCG or an bolt carier that still has the FA tab on the side on an AK ( given that 922 is good with other parts). this one is has a "fear" shade to it. I know Im new new here, and there are post on "give up your kit with the FA block " post's but this is a part that is put in the reciver not the reciver and the reciver is what makes or break's a FA gun.

muttman

4895SHOOTER
February 02, 2009, 11:42
I've wondered about this because I have read about the early FN's which were imported and mistakenly approved as semi only even though they had some sort of cut in the receiver? I would like to know some definitive information on this as well!

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:04
Originally posted by Dwalton
Umm. WEG , that slot is for the mag release . The cut out for the safety sear is on the other side .

DJW
;)

Ooooops!

Duh. http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/smileys/homersimpson.gif

I think that's the SECOND time I posted that pic with the same brainfart.

Let's try that again. :o

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/ejectorblock-fullauto3.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/searcutJames-1.jpg

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:14
Please note that the ATF looks at the RECEIVER - not the ejector block for determining the "full-auto" character of a FAL.

A semi-auto gun with full-auto ejector block is a semi-auto in the eyes of the ATF.

It is the RECEIVER with the "sear cut" that makes a FAL a full-auto in the eyes of the ATF. This applies irrespective of whether the auto-sear is present, and irrespective of whether the ejector block is configured to accommodated the auto sear (there ARE some semi-only ejector blocks out there).

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/searcutcomparison2.jpg

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:16
If you want to read ATF letters about G-series FAL's,
see http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/law.html

There are two or three letters on the subject there.

4895SHOOTER
February 02, 2009, 12:18
Thanks WEG for providing the info again! A picture is worth a thousand posts.

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:20
more

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/searcut3.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/searcutD.jpg

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:22
And this, just as a reminder that you don't need a "real" full-auto FAL to be accused of some bullshit by ignorant (and downright malicious) federal employees with badges.

See http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=183318

W.E.G.
February 02, 2009, 12:28
Somebody else can jump in and explain this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/receivercentersections-ATF.jpg

Thorgrimm_the_Vain
February 02, 2009, 16:44
Originally posted by W.E.G.
Somebody else can jump in and explain this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/FAL%20parts%20pics/receivercentersections-ATF.jpg

There is evil in this world...

muttman
February 02, 2009, 22:44
Originally posted by Thorgrimm_the_Vain


There is evil in this world...

++ on that one. muttman

dmack
February 03, 2009, 11:01
W.E.G - Thanks for the pics.....very helpful. The heap looks like cut receivers......how old is that pic?

-Dmack