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DYNOMIKE
December 07, 2008, 17:03
Almost have all my parts gathered for the VZ-58 Build.. All that I need are a couple/few US Parts as the receiver and Muzzle Devise are in hand..
Kit looks great and I have the choice of Solid, or Folding stocks.. Prolly go back and forth since it looks real easy to do.. Mags are at the ready and I even found a few accesories for it..

Receiver is from ORF and I gotta say it looks outstanding.. :wink:
Gotta get this baby built now I'm really looking forward to shooting it..

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/PC070545.jpg

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http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/PC070554.jpg

lew
December 07, 2008, 17:16
Looks swank. If I ever had the desire for a x39 carbine, that's be it. Nifty little bugger. Light and shoulders nicely. Keep us posted.:whiskey:

ETA: How is the barrel affixed to the receiver?

K.O.A.M.
December 07, 2008, 17:58
That looks really nice. Let us know how it goes together.

XHardrock
December 07, 2008, 20:19
Can't wait for the build and range report, got to be nice.
The kit's I have are a bluish color, that looks grey.....my eye's, camera or are there different finishes?

DYNOMIKE
December 07, 2008, 21:00
Originally posted by XHardrock
Can't wait for the build and range report, got to be nice.
The kit's I have are a bluish color, that looks grey.....my eye's, camera or are there different finishes?

I'm giving serious consideration to trying this one on my own and will be reporting info along the way for sure.. Still have some Q's I need answered and some more small parts..
Once she gets to the rage you can rest assured a Full report will follow.. :whiskey:

As far as the Color I might call it a Blue/Grey coating, almost like an epoxy type finish?? Of course the Receiver is in the White and I'm not sure what to do about that just yet??

m0ondoggy
December 15, 2008, 16:35
Originally posted by DYNOMIKE


I'm giving serious consideration to trying this one on my own and will be reporting info along the way for sure.. Still have some Q's I need answered and some more small parts..
Once she gets to the rage you can rest assured a Full report will follow.. :whiskey:

As far as the Color I might call it a Blue/Grey coating, almost like an epoxy type finish?? Of course the Receiver is in the White and I'm not sure what to do about that just yet??

The closest I could get was by mixing three colors of gunkote in the following proportions.

I bought 3 4oz cans of gunkote from midway in the following colors. Credit goes to akforum member Trotsky for the formula.



Here are the proportions I used, measured with a syringe.

All 2400 Series:

Satin Gray: 4 oz can
add
Satin Black: 29.8cc
Gunmetal Blue: 7.8cc

Make sure you have SEVERAL old nuts and/or ball bearings in there. Cap the can tight, then shake like hell for a good 20 minutes :)

Here are the results. This is a registered SBR build.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/m0ondoggy/Guns/VZ58SBR/VZ58SBR02.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/m0ondoggy/Guns/VZ58SBR/VZ58SBR03.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/m0ondoggy/Guns/VZ58SBR/VZ58SBR04shopped.jpg

I left the ferrule on the lower HG in the original color. It's a close match in normal light. I actually like the way the color turned out.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c144/m0ondoggy/Guns/VZ58SBR/VZ58SBR06.jpg

K. Funk
December 15, 2008, 17:38
I am soon ready to embark on my project as well. I have a folding it with a chipped forearm. I picked up a fixed stock complete set + one mag at the Harrisburg show for $50 plus all the remaining fixed stock hardware from Numrich for $38. I will probably have Ken at Global do the final assembly/refinish. I am looking very much forward to getting this baby together. Good luck on yours!!

krf

justashooter
December 15, 2008, 18:10
had so much money in my pocket at the harrisburg gunshow from selling ammo i'll never shoot, junk guns, and parts kits i'll never build that i bought a century VZ for $625. still have 2 kit/receiver/compliance sets about $425 in each to build.

the century gun is top notch. i understand that they are being built in Czech Repub on semi receivers with 16" barrel and shipped to century for installation of piston, FCG, and a standard AK slant brake. should have a muzzle nut.

not much for century to **** up on this one, and looking great. head and shoulders above the AK platform. looking forward to shooting my new chronograph with it. will shoot paul's new one while mine is still smoking.

FAL GRUNT
December 15, 2008, 23:28
justashooter, I haven't seen anyone retailing these?

Any info on where to pick one up retail?

m0ondoggy your rifle looks GREAT. I've got a folder and a straight stock that I am looking forward to building up. Gotta get receivers some how, but hopefully by this time next year both will be built. I hope they turn out half as good as yours!

-myers

lightning 351
December 17, 2008, 21:02
looks good!

DYNOMIKE
December 17, 2008, 21:36
m0ondoggy~
That rifle looks awesome.... :beer:
Did you do the Build yourself as well as the finish??
Man I HOPE mine looks that nice.. :wink:

m0ondoggy
December 17, 2008, 22:09
Originally posted by DYNOMIKE
m0ondoggy~
That rifle looks awesome.... :beer:
Did you do the Build yourself as well as the finish??
Man I HOPE mine looks that nice.. :wink:

Thanks :D

Yes, I did the build and the finish myself.

I used this as kind of a guide.

http://www.autochart.com/vz58.htm

With the orf receiver you're going to need to modify the gas piston stop. I used quite a bit of my ak building tools on this as well.

tac-40
December 17, 2008, 22:12
Mike, a buddy of mine has one waiting in the wings. Let me know how you set the headspace and drilled the barrel retaining pin hole.

I can't remember if he said Laur coatings or Gun Kote had a color that matched the original finish. I'll let you know as soon as I find out.

moshaholic2
December 18, 2008, 00:09
its not century thats selling them

www.czechpoint-usa.com

wellcraft
December 21, 2008, 11:03
Originally posted by moshaholic2
its not century thats selling them

www.czechpoint-usa.com

century is selling a version of the vz58 but i don't know if they are built in house or farmed out to someone else. the cz version would easily be the best bet to buy as it's a real vz58 and not a risky century that may or may not work. i've had success with century rifles but i know there are those that have experienced otherwise.

be wary of the ORF built receiver their galil receivers were out of spec and so were their yugo m76 receivers. i purchased a ORF yugo m76 receiver along with a buddy and both were out of spec and took quite a bit of work just to be able to assemble the rifle. my buddy treid contacting ORF but was ignored so ORF won't stand behind their product.

bykerhd
December 21, 2008, 11:23
I've handled a couple of the Century versions. They don't look to be too bad.
Not something I'm really interested in though.

Brian in MN
December 22, 2008, 00:01
There are imports out there. They were imported as single stack rifles. The mag wells were milled out for the original mags here in the US and US parts added. I don't believe they hardened the receivers as mine is beating up the carrier rails bad. No Century connection on my gun. Saw one at a show last week. Guy wanted $850 for it.

Don't know that ORF is the answer either as their reputation is right in there with Hesse and MGS.

m0ondoggy
December 22, 2008, 00:12
Originally posted by Brian in MN
There are imports out there. They were imported as single stack rifles. The mag wells were milled out for the original mags here in the US and US parts added. I don't believe they hardened the receivers as mine is beating up the carrier rails bad. No Century connection on my gun. Saw one at a show last week. Guy wanted $850 for it.

Don't know that ORF is the answer either as their reputation is right in there with Hesse and MGS.

FWIW, every stub from every kit i have has the same carrier marks on the front. The VZ just beats them to a certain extent. I wouldn't worry about it.

justashooter
December 22, 2008, 19:04
Originally posted by FAL GRUNT
justashooter, I haven't seen anyone retailing these?

Any info on where to pick one up retail?

m0ondoggy your rifle looks GREAT. I've got a folder and a straight stock that I am looking forward to building up. Gotta get receivers some how, but hopefully by this time next year both will be built. I hope they turn out half as good as yours!

-myers

bought mine from phoenix distributors.

http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3720394920

they don't have the best reputation, and have a hell of an attitude, but they sell a lot of guns and do a lot of police contract sales. they also sell lots of used guns on gunbroker for reasonable prices.

it's marked century import and "VZ2008 sporter" with double stack and folder in original red bakelite stocks, looking very cherry and as originally designed except for the semi only and legal barrel with threaded removable US slant brake. got a serial number in the high 200's, and should have bought 2. phoenix sold 18 (all they had) at the harrisburg show by noon sunday. dark grey parkerising screams for a coat of paint. no other complaints. haven't shot it yet, but will remark when i get around to it.

here's a site that lists them high:
http://www.uberarms.com/czvz5805050.html

DYNOMIKE
February 12, 2009, 17:43
Well, I had good intentions but that's about it.. :tongue:
Planned, Thought, Thought some more about doing this myself and in the end I decided I don't want to FUGG with it...
Yea I know I coulda, shoulda, woulda and all that shitt but I aint no Gun builder and I had nightmares of screwing up the build...

Soooooo, yesterday I sent it Packing.. :biggrin:

To MAGNUM GUNSMITHING so Glen can do the build and I can sleep better knowing it will be done right.. It's gonna be a very fun piece I think and I am looking forward to something different and new to play with..

Now the wait begins in earnest and while I have no idea how long it will be it is at least closer to being done then it was yesterday morning..:rofl:

Will be posting any updates along the way for those interested persons... :beer:

Texgunner
February 12, 2009, 21:05
Mike, you always post those great pics! As usual these are too. If I may ask, what kind of camera are you using? Thanks, Gary.

And, mOondoggy, that's a great looking rifle! Very cool piece.
gb

m0ondoggy
February 12, 2009, 21:25
Originally posted by Texgunner
Mike, you always post those great pics! As usual these are too. If I may ask, what kind of camera are you using? Thanks, Gary.

And, mOondoggy, that's a great looking rifle! Very cool piece.
gb

Thanks!

(BTW, he's using an Olympus SP500UZ)

DYNOMIKE
February 12, 2009, 22:58
Originally posted by Texgunner
Mike, you always post those great pics! As usual these are too. If I may ask, what kind of camera are you using? Thanks, Gary.

And, mOondoggy, that's a great looking rifle! Very cool piece.
gb

Thank you Sir, I try to take good PICS but with no real skill it's kinda hit and miss. Still have trouble with the Lighting and want to try and do some PICS in B&W too.. I think some C&R Rifle PICS would look really sweet in B&W.. :whiskey:

YES the MoonDoggy is correct, it's an Olympus SP500UZ
And I agree his rifle is very nice indeed..

Owatode
February 12, 2009, 23:28
There's a group buy on at gunboards.com for ORF receivers @ $250.00 ea & compliance parts kit for $105.00 plus ship. They started taking payments as of 2/8/09.

Court in Fl
February 13, 2009, 20:30
Check out this site, http://www.projectguns.com/ for more info on building a VZ58.

Court in FL.

K.O.A.M.
February 14, 2009, 10:48
Originally posted by Owatode
There's a group buy on at gunboards.com for ORF receivers @ $250.00 ea & compliance parts kit for $105.00 plus ship. They started taking payments as of 2/8/09.

Don't tell me this. Please. I'm trying hard enough to resist as it is.

Owatode
February 14, 2009, 11:21
I know, couldn't turn it down. With $79.00 off reg. price on rec. & $10.00 off compliance kits, I ordered 2 of each on Mon.

DYNOMIKE
February 14, 2009, 15:25
Lucky for me I scored my Receiever while ORF still had them on sale..
Package should have arrived at MAGNUM yesterday and Glen said he would look everything over as soon as it does....
I must admit waiting for this will be tough but I will be patient.. :wink:


Originally posted by K.O.A.M.
Don't tell me this. Please. I'm trying hard enough to resist as it is.

:biggrin: They are Kinda COOL Aint they??
Resistance might be Futile.... :devil: :shades: :beer:

renaissance_warrior
February 14, 2009, 22:16
That looks like an AK if Mercedes engineered it. :bow: Sure has a lot of fire control group parts! A gorgeous kit and parts as well.

For the amount of work in that reciever, it sure seems a bargain price. I would much rather have that than a machined AK except for the parts requirements. But, if nothing is going to break, who cares, right?

In lookin at the bolt, it looks very well-made and a cross between a Bren and a Fal. Very robust.

MoOndoggy, that is gorgeous, fine work there sir! That could be a sales catalog shot.

DYNOMIKE
March 25, 2009, 14:39
Little Update:

While I was in Ca. Glen sent me an E-mail.. Seems my build is almost done and as soon as the F/C/G from ORF is delivered he will wrap it all up.. Finish will be as close a match as he can get to the original color and it should look awesome..

Gonna be a SWEET build and a blast to play with and I'm getting pretty stoked about the build.. :beer:

detroit360
March 25, 2009, 19:39
I built mine myself, and it runs great, but it was not an easy build by any means, as far as head spacing you really don't have any choice, the barrel is groved for the pin, and the hole is already in the receiver from orf. if you want a good laugh read my post about the orf receivers

Owatode
March 25, 2009, 20:38
You can headspace the ORF recievers, as where the barrel pin was originly pinned they lengthened and spoted a place to driill a new hole. I bought 2 a while ago and just started building them. #1 was hard to drill & when I drilled #2 it seemed too easy so I called ORF for specs. The recievers are supposed to be hard (40-45 Rc) from what I was told from ORF. #2 didn't make 30 Rc when I checked it a local shop. They said they would replace both reciever & barrel as I already drilled it. Been waiting 2 wks so far for replacement. And yes the fcg was hard to figure out. Other than that #1 runs real good.

m0ondoggy
March 25, 2009, 20:46
Originally posted by Owatode
You can headspace the ORF recievers, as where the barrel pin was originly pinned they lengthened and spoted a place to driill a new hole. I bought 2 a while ago and just started building them. #1 was hard to drill & when I drilled #2 it seemed too easy so I called ORF for specs. The recievers are supposed to be hard (40-45 Rc) from what I was told from ORF. #2 didn't make 30 Rc when I checked it a local shop. They said they would replace both reciever & barrel as I already drilled it. Been waiting 2 wks so far for replacement. And yes the fcg was hard to figure out. Other than that #1 runs real good.

Where did you take yours to get a rockwell test done, and where specifically on the receiver did you have it tested? My build above has gone from perfect tight headspace to closing on a field gauge in less than 200 rounds.

Owatode
March 26, 2009, 08:17
I took it to a local machine shop & they happened to have a Rockwell hardness tester. I checked it on barrel end where the forearms would hide the punch marks the tester would make. This would be in the general area where the barrel pin would be.

DYNOMIKE
June 14, 2009, 12:07
An update for those interested..
Glen is done with the rifle and it should be here this next week..
Build, Test fire and Finish completed and I think it friggin looks kick ass..
I have the Folder and will put that on after I run her a bit, also have the sling and other goodies as well.....

Enjoy the PICS, a range report from me will be along ASAP but Glen said it runs great.. :biggrin:



http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/Dyno_VZ58-1.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/Dyno_VZ58-3.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/DYNO_VZ58-2.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/Dyno_VZ58-4.jpg

Wes Janson
June 14, 2009, 19:39
Hey DYNOMIKE, how does the safety on your VZ work? Down is safe, rear position is fire? Or do you flip it forward to fire?

shortround
June 14, 2009, 19:50
What flashider are you using there? Build looks great.

DYNOMIKE
June 15, 2009, 07:02
Originally posted by Wes Janson
Hey DYNOMIKE, how does the safety on your VZ work? Down is safe, rear position is fire? Or do you flip it forward to fire?

I have not handled it yet so I can't say for sure at this point.. Will check when it gets here and let you know...


Originally posted by shortround
What flashider are you using there? Build looks great.

I bought the Flashhider from a guy that had them made.. I liked the look quite a bit and they were very well done.. Not wanting to go the SBR route the MD was attached to give me the additional barrel length neeed to be legal. I can get you the E-mail addy if you like?

Blackmore
June 15, 2009, 08:49
That looks great, Mike. I thought about having Glen build me one, too, but got sidetracked by other toys.

Originally posted by DYNOMIKE
I have not handled it yet so I can't say for sure at this point.. Will check when it gets here and let you know...

Indeed. Those pix look like they're from Glen's NEW floor. Better contrast than his old burba rug backdrop. :D

DYNOMIKE
June 15, 2009, 17:55
Originally posted by Blackmore
That looks great, Mike. I thought about having Glen build me one, too, but got sidetracked by other toys.

Indeed. Those pix look like they're from Glen's NEW floor. Better contrast than his old burba rug backdrop. :D

Well FWIW I too understand the concept of being Sidetracked by other Toyz... :p :tongue:
It also seems more prevalent these days then in years past but oh well..
If you have all the stuff see if you can get on Glens "list".. :wink:
Will be sure to share a range report the minute I get home..

LOL!! Yea that Old Burber looked pretty rough towards the end Huh.. :tongue:
The NEW Floor (or whatever it is) looks Much better..

Hopefully I will soon have some MORE PICS on the new backdrop as I just sent him an IMBEL/IMBEL build and I have a feeling it will be quite nice when complete.. :biggrin: :beer:

JohnnyReb
June 15, 2009, 22:36
Man that looks nice. I say keep the fixed stock. That pressed woodchip stock looks so cool.

I saw a guy at the range with one of those from Checkpoint, it ran great, looked nice, and was very light.

JoeLad
June 19, 2009, 22:59
Everyone's aware that the barrels are less than 16", right?

detroit360
June 20, 2009, 06:04
If I can do it I'm sure you can, just don't try to put the trigger thingy in up side down or what ever, like I did and you will be fine, the 12 o'clock line up probaly is the hardest part, it's a hell of a gun !!!

DYNOMIKE
June 20, 2009, 07:17
Originally posted by JoeLad
Everyone's aware that the barrels are less than 16", right?

Note the PERMANENTLY attached MD in the PICS..:wink:

There are other MD's out there I liked this one, others have chosen to SBR their rifles.. I did not want to do that myself and added the required length with the MD.

m0ondoggy
June 20, 2009, 08:37
Originally posted by JoeLad
Everyone's aware that the barrels are less than 16", right?


Mine's an SBR Joe :D.

K.O.A.M.
June 20, 2009, 17:36
He sure does nice work. If I wasn't trying to sell some of my stuff, waiting on a BM59 and have a couple tax stamps to pay for, I'd be all over one.

DYNOMIKE
June 26, 2009, 22:32
Well it's here, and it does look awesome!
BUT it's late, I'm tired so PICS have to wait untill tomorrow.

Hoping to get a range report on Sunday.. :whiskey:

DYNOMIKE
June 28, 2009, 10:06
PICS as promised, I hope ya like it as much as I do...

Glen did a FANTASTIC job on the rifle, the finish and color are excellent. It's a bit smaller then I had thought it would be but seems like it should be easy to shoot and quite handy.. I like the Flash Hider M/D, although NOT original it looks real nice and fits the gun. Also gives me the length needed to be ATF friendly. :wink:
Once I get some groups at the range I will install the EVIL FOLDING stock just to see which I like best?

UBER EVIL may get the Nod over Practical.. :devil: :beer:

Tried to get a range trip in this weekend but just can't do it.. :(

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270097.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270099.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270098.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270100.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270101.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P6270102.jpg

Brian in MN
June 28, 2009, 10:30
You will be surprised by the goofy folding stock. They are actually pretty comfy. Tell us if you think your gun has substantially less recoil than an AK once you get the chance to go bang.

Texgunner
June 28, 2009, 13:22
Beautiful gun and great pics! Ya gotta be proud Mike!

Wes Janson
June 28, 2009, 23:29
Still trying to figure this puzzle out re: safety positions.

Does it fire when the safety is forward, or when it's in the rear position?

DYNOMIKE
June 29, 2009, 06:59
Originally posted by Wes Janson
Still trying to figure this puzzle out re: safety positions.

Does it fire when the safety is forward, or when it's in the rear position?

On my gun the safety is actualy SAFE when the lever is VERTICAL.. It is ready to fire when pointed at the "1" or to the REAR.. When moved to the forward position it does nothing at all just like it should.

My guess is the 1 represents single fire, the 30 was for F/A fire (30 rd mags)..
Now I don't know this to be a fact it's just my WAG..

bonesteel
June 29, 2009, 17:12
a second slot can easily be added to selector to make it fire semi auto in the forward postion as well. I do this to all my builds as I find it more ergonomic.
Nice rifle by the way. Glad I could help you dress it up.

Wes Janson
June 29, 2009, 22:36
a second slot can easily be added to selector to make it fire semi auto in the forward postion as well. I do this to all my builds as I find it more ergonomic.
Nice rifle by the way. Glad I could help you dress it up.

I'd been considering doing just this to the safety; can you elaborate on how you cut the safety? I'm guessing that it will need two cuts, both placed opposite the existing slots on the safety shaft. No issues with firing while on safe, or while being rotated to safe?

Thanks!

bonesteel
June 30, 2009, 18:41
the slot closest to the left side of the rifle is for semi auto fire. To make it fire in forward postion you need to cut a slot the same as the one thats there 180 degrees out. or you can just spend $10 and get one that's already modified http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/safety-catch/

Brian in MN
June 30, 2009, 22:25
Mike, get off your butt and shoot that thang or by gawd we'll come by and take it away from you!!!!! I'm gettin' darn tired of coming back here and not seeing you raving about how 58's are so much better than 47's.

Shootability
June 30, 2009, 22:29
Originally posted by Brian in MN
Mike, get off your butt and shoot that thang or by gawd we'll come by and take it away from you!!!!!

+1

Nice.

bonesteel
July 01, 2009, 09:45
the slot closest to the left side of the rifle is for semi auto fire. To make it fire in forward postion you need to cut a slot the same as the one thats there 180 degrees out. or you can just spend $10 and get one that's already modified http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/safety-catch/

DYNOMIKE
July 01, 2009, 21:49
Originally posted by Brian in MN
Mike, get off your butt and shoot that thang or by gawd we'll come by and take it away from you!!!!! I'm gettin' darn tired of coming back here and not seeing you raving about how 58's are so much better than 47's.

I'm trying trust me I want to shoot it more then you can imagine.. :(
Have a "PLAN" when I shoot it to compare it to one of my AK's that has always shot very well..
Will try at least three kinds of ammo and shoot some groups with each..

Work has been more then I can keep up with, the range is 45 min one way, and closed on Mon & Tue... IF I could I would go twice a week but I just can't get the time off as often as I like..

Hoping to take Friday off and shoot then though.. :wink:

A range report will be along ASAP..:whiskey:

DYNOMIKE
July 13, 2009, 09:33
Okay, it's been a bit longer then I had hoped but here goes...
First as stated above the rifle looks great, fit, finish, barrel, everything appears to be excellent and I am pleased with that.. But it also has to RUN and shoot well so I will touch on a few things here, some good some not so good.. I am also very interested in knowing if anyone has noted the same issues and how they were addressed?

I actually took the rifle with me LAST weekend when I went the the range.. The results were not good and I struggled all week trying to figure out what could be wrong?

First was the Trigger.. Holy shit is it hard to pull, I have to figure out what can be done with this, and soon.. Honestly the trigger is just terrible and I have no clue why? The receiver and FCG parts are from ORF and I have yet to read anyone's posts regarding the trigger on these being so bad? I can't possibly have the only one, can I?..

Anyway at the range I loaded up a mag with 5 rounds and shot them at a standard repair center from 50 yds using a rest.. I looked through my spotting scope and could not fine a single hole? WTF says I so I get down there and crank out another few rounds and while they are on paper there is simply nothing resembling a GROUP? Now I did not expect AR accuracy here but Jeezus I can't shoot a group with this to save my ass... My Bud is an R/O there so we talk a bit and after some sight adjustment, he positions himself a couple spots over and starts calling my shots for me.. For every one I get in the black I have three out somewhere else? Well the WTF is really going on now and I was pretty bummed out about this.. I took two Kinds of AMMO with me, the standard WOLF BLACK BOX X39 and some Arab surplus shit I had in an ammo can.. Neither shot fer shit and the ARAB Crap would not even feed more then a couple rounds before it jammed a round into the receiver, and stuffed the bullet back in the case a few thou..

Needless to say I was pretty dissapointed and could not bring myslef to post all this shit up before trying one more time.. Soooo before I went again I took a file and just slightly hit the area of the receiver where the bullets feed.. I have the original stub and tried my best to mimic that, for those that don't know these don't really have a FEED RAMP per se like many other rifles.. I was careful and I think it looks pretty good.. I also carefully cleaned the gun AGAIN, AND removed the Full stock to install the FOLDER.. Don't know why but the FULL stock seemed to cause me problems as it just did not fit me very well at all.. Hoping the FOLDER will help my sight picture I did the swap.. Oh I also put the FT sight back to center and screwed the Blade back down to a much more normal hight
(I had raised it up a bunch last week trying to figure this shit out).. I checked the M/D for gilded metal streaks (NONE found), looked everything over from one end to the other and noted nothing strange at all?

So Sat I go to the range again, this time I took a few boxes of the NORINCO Copper Washed stuff I have had for years.. And some more WOLF to confirm one way or the other that it might be ammo related?
The NORINCO has always been very good ammo in my AK's and SKS rifles so I was keeping my fingers crossed it would work in the VZ too?

What do ya know but the very first 10 rounds went into a nicely centered goup just a touch low on the same type target as before.. An actual GROUP and HOLY SHIT did I feel better after that.. BUT to be sure it was not a fluke I loaded up a full mag of 30 and shot about a 3" group at 50 yds with NO feed issues at all.. Looks like I need to lower the FT sight a touch and I'm GTG there.. :biggrin:

Just for shits and grins though I try the WOLF again and the GROUP becomes a PATTERN and not even a good one at that.. The friggin WOLF just shoots all over the damn place and I aint got a clue why "UNLESS" it is a heavier bullet then standard X39 and these rifles are sensitive to that? Next trip I will try a few other ammo types as well, I have a bunch of the YUGO Surplus and am hopeful it will shoot that well, and may also try some of my LAPUA just to see how it does with this high quality fodder?

IF anyone knows the bullet weight of the Black Box WOLF X 39 Please LMK..

Okay so now I know the gun shoots fine, I still want to touch up that feed area some more and if you guy's have done this please share your thoughts, or techniques..

Lastly I gotta do SOMETHING with this trigger, no way I can leave this alone.. Just need to figure out HOW it works and go from there.. I will give Glen a shout and get his thoughts as well..

Sorry about the delay and I will report back any/all updates.. :beer:

Dirt1042
July 13, 2009, 15:21
Is the wolf .308 and the Norinco .310?

Your barrel is probably .310, I thought wolf uses .308 for the Mini 30 users.

DYNOMIKE
July 13, 2009, 21:15
Originally posted by Dirt1042
Is the wolf .308 and the Norinco .310?

Your barrel is probably .310, I thought wolf uses .308 for the Mini 30 users.

You "MAY" be onto something there??
I gathered a variety of X 39 ammo this evening and checked it all with calipers..
The LAPUA, all three types of NORINCO, the YUGO, and FN all .310"
The WOLF (not pictured) and the Romy HOT SHOT measured .308"..

I am also interested in the Bullet weight if the WOLF, If anyone has weighed some please LMK.. Otherwise I will just pull one down myself..

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7130154.jpg

Man lemme tell ya that LAPUA and FN is some SWEET Looking ammo for sure.. :wink:

This weekend I will try them all, I know the YUGO is corrosive but it has proven to be very good ammo in the guns I have shot it in to date..

Also interested in hearing comments on the ORF Trigger parts..

Dirt1042
July 13, 2009, 21:43
Mike, the wolf should be 122gr in FMJ and HP. Their soft points are 154gr I believe.

Wes Janson
July 13, 2009, 21:43
The Century trigger is somewhat long and heavy, but fairly comparable to that of a decent AK, maybe a bit heavier. If yours is worse than that, then something may be wrong...

julysol
July 14, 2009, 08:58
Mike
I"ve been reading that a lot of these orf receivers have some feed ramp issues and many need massaging. Yours may need a little more inorder to feed all brands of ammo fine. That could also be effecting your accuracy as well if the bullets are getting buggered up enough while going from mag to chamber as you indicated. So feed and eject a bunch and check the tips.

Looks like your smith got the color down to a T. Or did you do the finish job. It looks much more correct than the forumla moondoggy provided. His might be for a different issued color though. Fill us in on that. I realy like the blue/grey.

I haven't hear of any stiff trigger issues either. Been reading up on these builds as I'm gearing up for one right now. Let us know if you get that ironed out and what was the cause.

DYNOMIKE
July 14, 2009, 18:41
Originally posted by julysol
Mike
I"ve been reading that a lot of these orf receivers have some feed ramp issues and many need massaging. Yours may need a little more inorder to feed all brands of ammo fine. That could also be effecting your accuracy as well if the bullets are getting buggered up enough while going from mag to chamber as you indicated. So feed and eject a bunch and check the tips.

Looks like your smith got the color down to a T. Or did you do the finish job. It looks much more correct than the forumla moondoggy provided. His might be for a different issued color though. Fill us in on that. I realy like the blue/grey.

I haven't hear of any stiff trigger issues either. Been reading up on these builds as I'm gearing up for one right now. Let us know if you get that ironed out and what was the cause.

YES I agree, Glen did a great job matching the color.. I had sent along a Mag not knowing if he would have one or test firing and he even did that in the same color.. Glen's finish is always excellent, I can hardly wait to get back the IMBEL/IMBEL build he has as well..

I will work on the FEED thing, I had no issues with the NORINCO on Sat but would like to see "IF" I can get it to feed H/P's too? IF not no biggy but I think I can improve the feed ramps some with careful & slow massaging..

Spoke to Glen and he sais thew trigger "was" worse but they did work on it some.. Suggested I be careful fidling with it and not take off too much metal.. I may E-mail Toddd @ ORF and "see" if he can help figure this out? I looked it over again today and for now I will lube it up and just shoot it.. "MAYBE" it will get better with use?

I just had to swap the Full stock for the FOLDER.. Not only does it look WAY more EVIL, I shoot it better.. :wink:

The IMPROVED Look.. :beer: :whiskey:
Oh and also note the BRANDY NEW 1960 Dated sling I was able to find... :shades:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7140159.jpg

With a Couple Friends... :wink:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7140156.jpg

http://http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7140158.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7140158.jpg

Wes Janson
July 14, 2009, 20:43
That finish really did come out perfect. The Duracoat VZ2000 color that I used on mine matches pretty closely in shade, but not in gloss. Might have to go back and re-do it to get it a bit glossier.

I actually had a failure-to-fire and a failure-to-lock-open last night, which was quite surprising (out of 23 rounds). First one was due to improper reassembly of the dust cover I believe, while the second one seems to be due to the retaining pin for the magazine release / bolt hold-open is drifting loose for some reason. Gotta pull it apart and figure out what's going on there.

Judging by your good taste in beer, it appears that you reside in Florida or Georgia?

FAL GRUNT
July 14, 2009, 20:47
Ouch! you don't even know where Yuengling's comes from!

Geez... the nerve of some people!

:biggrin: :beer:

Great looking rifle!

-myers

Texgunner
July 15, 2009, 08:59
"Ain't it?!?" (multi-purpose expression of affirmation used by ALL the Czech people, "Bohemians" around here. And there are a lot of them in central Texas!) God-dog (another one of their sayings), those Bohemians make some cool guns!!

Cool pics Mike.
Gary

DYNOMIKE
July 15, 2009, 20:21
YES I am in S.Fl & do Like YUENGLING quite a bit, in fact the BLACK & TAN is very good and one of my Favorite NON-Imports fer sher.. :beer:

BTW, its made in POTTSVILLE PA.. :wink:

Okay I dicked around with the rifle some tonight out in the garage..
As far as the trigger I have come to the conclusion the heavy pull is from the SPRING.. There simply is no binding of any FC parts and the trigger pull feels the same whether the gun is together or apart.. It "seems" to me that the spring is just pretty hefty and may be the culprit.. I did clean all the parts and added a bit of GUNSLICK to the FCG parts that mate with each other.. NO idea if this will help but I did it anyway.. I worked the bolt and dry fired the gun a bunch of times tonight, while I don't have any Trigger Pull scale it "felt" a bit better when I was done.. Of course maybe my Finger was just numb?

Here is a PIC of the inside, and FCG parts..
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7150160.jpg
After messing there I worked on the feed ramp.. I have done my best to mimic the original receiver stub here and it looks pretty good..
Here is the original receiver stub showing the feed area..
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7150162.jpg
Here is my Receiver after a bit of messaging.. I still plan on smoothing that angled part just above where I have worked so far.. I did not have the file I needed here at the house..
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7150161.jpg
Receiver and partially loaded mag just to see how it looks..
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7150163.jpg

I "hope" this will help but it may be a wasted effort as it sure looks like the rounds are above the receiver when a mag is inserted and my FTF have been when the round just misses the chamber & gets stuffed into the barrel.. More to come after my next range trip.. I'm gonna shoot the piss out of the gun and see what happens..

I do like it gun a lot, it feels good when shouldered, and it seems lighter then an AK.
I can see myself making this a regular for the range lineup, especially if I can get some improvement in the trigger.. :biggrin:

Wes Janson
July 16, 2009, 06:18
Could be a magazine issue?

DYNOMIKE
July 16, 2009, 06:53
Originally posted by Wes Janson
Could be a magazine issue?

Could be but I don't think so, all of the mags I have are in good shape and several of them look like new. The mags lock up nicely and seem work fine as the rounds lift into the proper position.. I also noted that when there is a jamb it's not just from one side or the other.. Gonna keep messing with it a bit but I'm not gonna get all crazy about it.. If I can get it to feed H/P's that's cool if not oh well..

The NORINCO ran great, no feed/function issues at all, accuracy quite acceptable. If I get the same results from the other stuff I'm taking next trip I'll be pleased..

Brian in MN
July 16, 2009, 23:27
Originally posted by DYNOMIKE


Here is a PIC of the inside, and FCG parts..
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7150160.jpg


Mike, see the dings in this pic. The locking piece is banging up your receiver rails at the moment when it begins moving forward from full recoil.

About how many rounds have been fired so far?

Could be this is "normal" and not a problem. My concern is that after 3,000 rounds we will both be having issues.

Brian in MN
July 16, 2009, 23:33
If all else fails you might go to the trouble to remove the flash hider. It could be the reason the rifle won't group. I realize this is a big problem in more than one respect but the rifle should group a whole bunch better than what you have seen so far.

The folders are a pleasant surprise, eh whot?

DYNOMIKE
July 17, 2009, 07:04
Brian,
I have noted the marks on the receiver and will watch them closely. Hoping it's just kinda lapping itself in these first few shooting sessions... This weekend will be the third time I have shot the rifle, if the spots get no bigger I'm not going to worry about it.. "IF" they get worse then I'll have to address it then..

As far as the grouping you will note in my posts I believe that issue was caused by the WOLF ammo (NO Group at all) while the NORINCO grouped quite well..
More shooting is needed to confirm and I have several other ammo types to try all of them measure .310" unlike the WOLF that measured .308"..

In my comments above I also noted the full stick caused me some probs, I think I like the folder better but I'm not going to write off the stock just yet.. I may change it back and try again but if the rifle shoots well with this other ammo and if after an extended session of shooting the gun the folder still feels good I'll prolly leave it for now.. It does seem pretty comfy and it surely looks appropriately INCORRECT and EVIL.. :wink:

bykerhd
July 17, 2009, 15:41
David Fortier has an interesting write-up/review of the VZ-58 in the July 10 Shotgun News.
The rifles are more interesting than I had thought.
He did mention original barrels a being 15.4 inches long ?
Also, that Century is using 16.25 inch barrels(U.S. made) to be legal.

Wes Janson
July 17, 2009, 22:30
I've got about 350 rounds through my Century so far, and those spots haven't grown a tremendous amount. I think they first became visible within 50 rounds, and stayed about the same...I keep waiting to see if they get worse.

I have discovered that you can cause jamming issues by installing the dust cover improperly, so that it's tilted up at the front (rear edge of the bolt). The rifle does not like this, so it is best not to do it.

DYNOMIKE
July 19, 2009, 15:29
bykerhd~
Yes the original barrel is too short for our regs.. We addressed that by adding the M/D in the pics and Glen did his thing by making it a permanent part of the rifle..

I wanted to post up after another range trip so here goes..

Yesterday I went shooting, took the VZ of course and a good amount of ammo for it and an AK, as well as several other rifles and pistols..

The VZ shot great this trip and I was particularly pleased with the results obtained from the FN 7.62 X 39 I brought for testing.. This ammo was easily the best tried to date although the YUGO Surplus I tried was a very close second.
The FN shot without a hitch and put 20 rounds inside the 8 Ring at 50 yds several of these inside the 10 ring including a few X's.. A very pleasing nice round group just like I ws hoping the gun would do.. For whatever reason this particular ammo shoots spot on and I was very pleased with that.. As mentioned the YUGO also worked great, this is good news too since I have a decent amount of this on hand.. THe VZ is EASY to clean so no probs with that..
Shot a diff type of the NORINCO (Gray bx LEAD CORE) and while there were no function probs it was not as accurate as the Steel core YELLOW bx?..

Of the 100 or so rounds I fired yesterday I had ONE feed issue (Jamb against the barrel) but no other probs noted at all.. In fact I should add that the trigger while still not up to N/M standards it was notably better then before and I wonder if my addition of the gunslick may have helped there?

The Peening on the rails looks to be the same as before but I am also watching the front edge of the receiver where the bolt impacts.. There is an abvious mark there so I need to watch this too.. I would not say that these two areas don't trouble me some but I am not overly concerned right now as long as they don't get any worse? I will check these spots everytime I shoot the gun, think I will also take PICS and keep track of rounds fired so I can share this info with ORF "IF" it becomes a problem...

I have sent Glen updates along the way as he seems genuinely interested.. I think it worth mentioning that the probs noted in my postings while part of the build are directly related to the ORF Parts and not the build itself.. Glen has asked if I would like to send the rifle back so he can check it over but I am willing to continue monitoring the rifle each time I take it out to see how things progress.. "IF" I get to the point that I am uncomfortable with the progression of the peening then I will send it back to him for his evaluation and then contact ORF..

I really do like the gun, it is very light and handy, as well as FUN to shoot.. Hoping it settles in soon and no other "issues" pop up as I paln on this seing a lot of range time.. :beer:

K. Funk
September 11, 2009, 16:21
Look what showed up at K. Funks today!!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c272/kandainv/VZ002.jpg

I am surprised at how light and handy it is . My 8 year old has already appropriated it as his.

krf

DYNOMIKE
September 11, 2009, 16:57
COOL!!!
They are surprisingly light feeling, that was something I noted right away..
I hope you get a range report posted soon, pretty sure you will like it quite a bit.. :whiskey:

Funny how quickly the kids zero in on the cool toys.. ;)

DYNOMIKE
September 13, 2009, 07:32
I wanted to post up another small update..
As previously noted my gun seems to be a bit ammo sensative, IE: WON'T shoot WOLF, G/T, or HOT SHOT fer shit... :(

This is TE SUX because I really don't want to use the YUGO, F/N, & LAPUA I have stashed as plinking fodder..

Well yesterday I brought the VZ along and a couple bxs of BARNAUL FMJ I recently bought to try out for shits and grinns.. While I honestly didn't expect much I am pleased to report the stuff ran PERFECTLY in my rifle.. NO issues at all, no jams, FTF, or FTE of any kind.. I only ran through two boxes but when the gun doen't like something it's obvious within 4-5 rds... The fact that I went through 40 W/OUT issue is a very good sign indeed..

Anyway, if you guy's have a VZ-58 I would suggest you try out the BARNAUL X39. Seems to be pretty good stuff.. :wink:

Also think I will try the WOLF and G/T again next trip just for the HELL of it, "maybe" the issues were related to the gun being so new but I doubt it..
When/If it did feed the WOLF simply made a PATTERN on the target and not a good one at that..

Brian in MN
September 13, 2009, 10:11
I had mine out camping last weekend. I am liking that thing more every time I use it. Eaten everything so far although I think I have only fired Wolf and some old Chinese non-corrosive through it. I must be up to about 800 rounds now. The dings in the rails do not seem to be growing.

Wes Janson
September 14, 2009, 19:08
I've shot Wolf Military Classic, Golden Tiger, PMC Bronze, and Yugo surplus through my Century, and the absolute only issue has been the occasional (about once per box) failure-to-fire on the Golden Tigers. Their primers are sunk WAAY deep, and apparently pretty hard as well, and so it doesn't always have enough oomph to set them off. Other than that, it runs perfectly.

detroit360
September 14, 2009, 19:48
I had issues with my trigger too, I tried to put it together upside down, don't ask! Todd straightened that out, he is really a good guy, very patient. I took quite a bit off that square ramp, more at the middle, also if you look at where the bullets are when the mag is in about a 1/2 inch back from the ramp there are two sharp square corners on the underside and I am pretty sure the shell caseing scrapes against those sharp corners as they are ramed into the chamber, any how I rounded them off and if I remember that ended my problem with jamming, for what it's worth

DYNOMIKE
September 16, 2009, 19:22
Originally posted by Brian in MN
I had mine out camping last weekend. I am liking that thing more every time I use it. Eaten everything so far although I think I have only fired Wolf and some old Chinese non-corrosive through it. I must be up to about 800 rounds now. The dings in the rails do not seem to be growing.

The Peening in front of the bolt carrier, and spots on the rails were no worse after this last trip then before as I am keeping a close eye on this.. Good to hear yours seems to have stopped, please keep me updated.. :beer:

detroit360~

I wanted to take some more off the very top of the ramp, more like a nice bevel really but can't seem to find the right tool to get in there?

I was however able to get in there and polish the crap out of the ramp area where I saw the cases leaving a very small streak when they pass over...

As far as the trigger, YES the spring is more left than center.. I have NO clue how one would get it moved so I would have to assume it stays where it is?
The trigger is just wierd, there is some take-up which is fine, but the trigger is heavy.. It all looks fine so I have no clue.. It is better now then at first no doubt, after this past range trip I gave the trigger group a good cleaning and a couple drops of oil when done.. Hoping it continues to improve with use...

I really like the gun so I will continue to shoot it often and monitor a coup,e things..

detroit360
September 16, 2009, 19:44
After thinking about the spring maybe it's better if it that way it's more centered, more even pressure on the pin, I think the more you shoot it the better it will get as far as the trigger. Did you get what I said about the sharp corners underneath ??

Brian in MN
September 16, 2009, 22:45
My trigger is not bad. Mind you, I have real Czech receiver with a plastic trigger. Sure be fun to compare a US built to one of the Czech built guns in person.

DYNOMIKE
September 16, 2009, 22:56
Did you get what I said about the sharp corners underneath ??

Not sure, I looked it over real close and don't see anymore sharp edges..

Originally posted by Brian in MN
My trigger is not bad. Mind you, I have real Czech receiver with a plastic trigger. Sure be fun to compare a US built to one of the Czech built guns in person.

Well come-on down, gonna be COLD up there PDQ..:tongue:
I think it would be fun to do a little side by side comparison.. :beer:
Other then the receiver of course this rifle was complete with all original parts..

Yours has a PLASTIC Trigger? Huh, whoda think that??

detroit360
September 17, 2009, 11:44
I took a round carefully pulled the bullet off then fired the primer, then put it together and used it as a dummy, put it in the mag and slowly operated the bolt by hand to see the path it was taking to see if it was chambering corectly. Those sharp corners where part of the problem, there located 1/2 inch back from the chamber , but underneath directly 1/2 in. down. I'm going to look at mine again to make sure

Brian in MN
September 17, 2009, 17:49
It is one of the Czechpoint guns. I got lucky. Mine came in the correct blue grey. Looks like the stuff they are selling now is painted black.

As you can imagine, I am a bit underwhelmed by a plastic trigger. This one prly won't be going on any -20 F ski trips.

Brian in MN
September 17, 2009, 17:50
Originally posted by Brian in MN
It is one of the Czechpoint guns. I got lucky. Mine came in the correct blue grey. Looks like the stuff they are selling now is painted black.

As you can imagine, I am a bit underwhelmed by a plastic trigger. This one prly won't be going on any -20 F ski trips.

You guys know if anyone is making pistons and/or metal mag floorplates for these?

DYNOMIKE
September 17, 2009, 18:00
Originally posted by Brian in MN


You guys know if anyone is making pistons and/or metal mag floorplates for these?

I heard there were Floorplates and Followers available but not sure Where??

Wes Janson
September 17, 2009, 20:52
Czechpoint (http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/30-round-magazine-complete-surplus/)

detroit360
September 17, 2009, 21:50
Turn the rifle over and look down the mag well a 1/2 in. back from the chamber are 2 sharp corners not edges, I do believe the case of the shell scrapes these corners when they enter the chamber , at least they did on mine

Brian in MN
September 19, 2009, 23:33
Wes, I am not sure what your link is supposed to do for us. I have a CP gun and the follower & floorplace are plastic gabage. Do you have newer/better info?

DYNOMIKE
September 20, 2009, 10:28
I would also be interested in replacement mag parts but have no interest in them if they are Plastic..

Keeping with that, your triggers MUST be better then Mine cuase if my trigger was Platic it surely would have broken by now.. :eek: :tongue:

Wes Janson
September 20, 2009, 10:29
You could click the link on the side of the page of the link I posted ;)

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/?list=6

DYNOMIKE
November 29, 2009, 17:12
Time for another Update..
The VZ is now SPORTIN WOOD.. :biggrin:
Finally found a Brand new set of wood and installed it a couple weeks ago..
I think it looks friggin awesome and she made her first Post wood range trip yesterday..

With some Help from LOADED05 she is now dialed in and shooting great.. Using BARNAUL FMJ I ran through 3 bxs W/Out a burp and accuracy was really good once I got the Rear sight set right.. DOH!!

Anyway I have had my reservations about the gun, the trigger especially..
But after yesterday (and the last range trip as well) the Gun has functioned very well and the trigger has also improved quite a bit.. It aint a match trigger and it still feels kinda funky on take up but it is breaking much better then before.. The PEENING of the receiver has not gotten any worse in the last 150 plus rounds so I think it's GTG.. The Gun is a blast to shoot and I'm likin it a LOT.. :beer:

New PICS, in one I have it next to my TANTAL to show the size difference.. Pretty much the same except the OAL and the VZ is lighter fer sher..

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/PB290167.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/PB290170.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/PB290171.jpg

DYNOMIKE
November 29, 2009, 17:15
Originally posted by Wes Janson
You could click the link on the side of the page of the link I posted ;)

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/spare-parts-and-accessories/vz-58-parts-and-accessories/?list=6

DAMN how did I miss that??
Hey did you see the CHEEK piece?? There is some GREAT stuff there, I want some of the Mag parts & a cheek piece for shure..
Thanks.. :whiskey:

Ricketts
November 29, 2009, 20:55
I have a parts kit for one of these. Now that ORF has folded, anyone know where I can get the stuff to build mine??

DYNOMIKE
November 29, 2009, 21:35
Ricketts, I think CZECHPOINT has receivers and everything else you will need..

AndyC
January 10, 2011, 13:30
Moved to the CZ forum per OP's request

DYNOMIKE
January 10, 2011, 14:03
Thanks Andy, this seemed a more appropriate forum now that we have a "SPECIAL PLACE".. :beer:

nightschneider
January 10, 2011, 14:29
reading up on these builds; the czechpoint website; when you look at the stripped receiver; they say it is a difficult rifle build....sounds more like a challenge than a warning to me....

fubar
January 10, 2011, 14:40
Originally posted by nightschneider
reading up on these builds; the czechpoint website; when you look at the stripped receiver; they say it is a difficult rifle build....sounds more like a challenge than a warning to me....

At least from Czechpoint you get an in-spec receiver :cool:

Musta broken down some single stack rifles to get them.

DYNOMIKE
January 10, 2011, 19:30
Originally posted by nightschneider
reading up on these builds; the czechpoint website; when you look at the stripped receiver; they say it is a difficult rifle build....sounds more like a challenge than a warning to me....

I considered doing (attempting) the build myself but with such a nice kit better judgment won out..
It came out really nice so in my mind the correct choice was made..


Originally posted by fubar

At least from Czechpoint you get an in-spec receiver :cool:

Musta broken down some single stack rifles to get them.

YES the receiver was a concern and I was a bit troubled by some of the things I read.. However after shooting the rifle as much as I have the only real issue I have noted was not enough clearance for the Bolt Carrier at the receiver face.
I did have seom peening but it has stopped and I have cleaned up that area with a sharp file. The build itself went well according to Glen but I must admit the Trigger is the one thing I wish was better.. I have considered removing those trigger parts and trying another set but to date have not done so..

In the end I can't help but wonder if much of what I read regarding the "out of spec" receivers wasn't just so much internet lore posted by people who never even saw one of the receivers as apposed to actual facts posted by knowledgable individuals with actual experiences of their own?

There have been a number of these rifles built on these receivers by Folks on the files and I havn't noted and real serious complaints..

nightschneider
January 10, 2011, 22:23
I would very much like to put one together...hard to justify the project when I've already got one.

man, do I love the rifle, though.

my VZ is the most tempting rifle for the SBR....just to be able to take the stupid nut off, and go back to factory length; and put a folder on it.

Topbanana
January 10, 2011, 22:46
Czechpoint is highly optimistic on the Vz58's range. lol

DYNOMIKE
June 01, 2011, 19:56
BUMPSKIE per a special request... :wink: :beer: