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DSARep
November 22, 2008, 11:25
I am pleased to announce that a project I have mentioned before here is coming to fruition. DSA will be offering new 20, 25, and 30 round FAL magazines. These will feature a nitride finish, and new anti-tilt followers. We are still a couple months out, but here are some pictures of the new 30 rounder body. I will post new information as it becomes available.

Outside:

http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=5909

Inside:

http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=5910

J. Armstrong
November 22, 2008, 12:49
Great news !!!

Keep us advised !

hagar
November 22, 2008, 13:08
They look great! Any idea on price? I assume they will count as 3 US made parts, time to convert that Century thumbhole stock!:D

vkitshooter
November 22, 2008, 13:11
Originally posted by hagar
They look great! Any idea on price? I assume they will count as 3 US made parts, time to convert that Century thumbhole stock!:D

Yes my question exactly. Will these be US MADE?

J. Armstrong
November 22, 2008, 13:27
I'm presuming US. I'm sure they won't be cheap ( or at least not as cheap as we would like !!) but they would be really nice for those builds where I'd like to retain as many original parts as possible. Could put the original HTS back in the G1 or the original furniture on the R1.

Some one is bound to complain that they will serve no purpose what with surplus mags being so cheap and available ( for now !!) but I still like the idea. May not buy a hundred of 'em, but sure would like a doz or so for special applications !!

Barbcue
November 22, 2008, 16:08
they look great !

what is the AR notch for ?

got something in the works ?
:D

W.E.G.
November 22, 2008, 17:54
Oh Hay-yulllll YEAH!!!

BUFF
November 22, 2008, 18:20
I must say, it takes some real courage to invest the large sum needed to make new high capacity magazines right now, considering the political climate change we are about to endure.

Atta boys, DSA!

J. Armstrong
November 22, 2008, 18:22
Originally posted by BUFF
I must say, it takes some real courage to invest the large sum needed to make new high capacity magazines right now, considering the political climate change we are about to endure.

Atta boys, DSA!

A BIG +1 on that !!!!

Shootability
November 22, 2008, 18:24
OOH AHHH

BruceS
November 22, 2008, 19:28
As I mutter to myself:

"MMMMMMMMMMMMMM, 25 R-O-U-N-D-E-R-S"

in my best Homer Simpson voice. My girlfriend comes into the room thinkig she was going to snag me downloading porn because I 'sounded so content'.

dono
November 22, 2008, 19:57
Originally posted by BruceS
As I mutter to myself:

"MMMMMMMMMMMMMM, 25 R-O-U-N-D-E-R-S"

in my best Homer Simpson voice. My girlfriend comes into the room thinkig she was going to snag me downloading porn because I 'sounded so content'.

My girlfriend does the same and I'm always looking at gun stuff. I honestly think she would feel better if it was porn once in a while.:shades:

I love DSA.:fal:

DYNOMIKE
November 22, 2008, 21:10
Very nice and thanks for the news, looking forward to the next update..
I really like the idea of using the Original H/T/S in a couple rifles...

Yes and I agree as well taking on this project in today's climate sure shows that DSA is in our corner..

FAL freek
November 22, 2008, 21:59
F@*K and I thought I was done buying FAL mags. :tongue: But how can one turn down a couple 25 or 30 round mags? Just curious, are you going to start selling magazine followers also (seperately from mags)? I really would like a few to rehabilitate some magazines that need some attention.

Rampager
November 22, 2008, 22:35
Cool!!!

Thanks DSA!

davesrb
November 22, 2008, 22:36
Now that's some great news. US made, I hope?! That would make compliance much easier for some of my more "authentic" variants!! Guess its time to start saving $:uhoh:
Davesrb

DougD
November 22, 2008, 22:43
I am extremely interested in this project and had been seriously considering writing to DSA about a magazine project. Then...I saw this thread.

I spent 8 years on a SWAT team for a large PD and I am one of the primary instructors for my Dept's patrol rifle program. I've had some good luck in competitive shooting as well. Most of my serious rifle work over the last 11 years has been done with AR-type rifles. Over the last year, I have completely converted to using MagPul PMAGs (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_120&products_id=267). I completely refurbished my old metal mags with MagPul anti-tilt followers, floorplates, and new Brownells springs. They work even better and are super-reliable but now serve as backups to my PMAGs. Lots of other military/police shooters are doing the same. There's nothing wrong with the "old" AR-15/M-16 magazine systems but there's better ways to do it that make the whole concept work better.

The reason I state all of the above is that I have been getting pretty serious lately about upgrading my FAL for practical field use. I fully understand that it can cost thousands of dollars just to tool-up and/or making new plastic molds. Still, I really wish DSA would do for the FAL magazine what MagPul has done for the AR-15/M-16 magazine.

I cannot tell you how happy I am to see that DSA is working on this project.:bow:

I'll be one of the first in line to buy your new magazines but there are ten FAL magazines sitting here that need a MagPul-style "extreme makeover." I'm a hardcore DSA fan and customer. Speaking from personal and professional experience in practical shooting and riflecraft, I believe the modern FAL is a superior platform for .308 semi-auto rifles. That being said, it's high time we brought its magazines into the 21st century.

Please tell us that DSA will be producing improved, anti-tilt followers (and other parts) that will serve to upgrade existing metric FAL magazines! :?

Stratoghost
November 23, 2008, 02:46
Great! I am very glad. I recently bought 6 20rd mags and was planning on buying some 30rd mags when I saved up some money. Then I noticed that DSA was not offering them any more. I am very happy!

Mike in Seattle
November 23, 2008, 08:02
, and I thought I was done buying mags, too.


I HOPE you will consider making a few of those in stainless, for those of us who live in the soggy NW.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a56/Mike_in_Seattle/shooter.jpg


? can those be cut down into 5 rounders ?

, when my SUR (Sport Utility Rifle) isn't punching holes in paper, it's sitting in the RAIN during hunting season.

J. Armstrong
November 23, 2008, 10:10
Mag foul :biggrin:

I would have to believe offering the separate components such as followers would happen once initial needs for new mag production are met. The additional market would be a great way to help recover the tooling costs and, yes, some additional pofit :beer: JMHO, of corse, but I'm betting .......:biggrin:

Mike in Seattle
November 23, 2008, 12:02
Originally posted by J. Armstrong
Mag foul :biggrin:

:redface: I hang my head in shame,

xcpd69
November 23, 2008, 17:35
Originally posted by Cameron
Any reason why they have an AR15 style mag catch notch?

Maybe for the FN SCAR H rifles?

Tim McBride
November 23, 2008, 22:50
Originally posted by xcpd69


Maybe for the FN SCAR H rifles?

Or an AR10 type rifle.....

DSARep
November 24, 2008, 14:05
The extra notch is for compatibility. I cannot comment further on that at this time. The follower is polymer, with the floor plate will be polymer and steel. I am sure these will be excellent magazines, and I really look forward to posting a review!

John

rdsmith66
November 25, 2008, 18:12
Brilliant! Now, any news for us Commonwealth fans? Any plans to manufacture an inch-type lug for the mag?

chrsdwns
November 25, 2008, 22:19
I've been waiting for some one to make these for 10 years:bow:

Perhaps DSA is subcontracting mag production for the SCAR-H for FNH. SCAR mags are very similar to the FAL mags - why would FN change a good thing.

Or perhaps, God forbid, an AR style FAL receiver.

AlaskanMBR
November 26, 2008, 00:40
Sweeeeeet!

firewalker
November 26, 2008, 17:03
I will fry you a Turkey for a 10 pack of those mags.

firewalker
November 26, 2008, 17:04
Oh yeah, if I run out of Turkeys, I will fry you whatever flys across the field next. Deal? Everything fried is good.

Tactical_T
November 27, 2008, 23:45
Assuming price is reasonable...Hint Hint...I'd be down for (5) 25-rounders and (3) 30-rounders.
I'm assuming I could have them Parkerized to give them inexpensive finish closer to the original FAL mags?

Pistolwiz
November 28, 2008, 09:56
Absolutelyfreakingreat! I'll get some too. :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

K.O.A.M.
November 28, 2008, 19:26
Brilliant! I'll be buying. I can always use more FAL magazines.

NSR500
November 29, 2008, 04:05
Nice!

I'm in for more mags now!


To add more fuel to the fires of speculation, CMMG is making .308 AR type receivers now. One works with G3 mags, so maybe they have an FAL based one too? ;)

Firestarter
November 29, 2008, 11:23
Man,

Just the stamped flats alone are sexy!

I have 5 of your Steyr mags on order (they were backordered) but will want some of these just for the simple fact that it covers 3 US parts! Awesome!

Thank you DSA! :bow:

Akula
November 30, 2008, 17:47
Would the springs for the upcoming 30 round magazines also work in the modified Bren 30 round magazines that DSA currently sell?

DSARep
December 01, 2008, 08:42
I doubt it. The design is different enough that the followers and base plates do not work with existing mags. These are pretty much a redo of the design to include modern components. Not that there was anything wrong with the original FAL magazine design, DSA just wants to bring them up to date in terms of features.

John

DougD
December 01, 2008, 12:05
Will DSA be offering updated, anti-tilt, polymer followers for original-style FAL metric magazines?

31ST MEUSOC
December 02, 2008, 16:39
OK one will we be able to buy these 30rnd mag springs? Will these be compatible with inch weapons? will you be making the 30rnd round curved mags like the L-4 mags? I hope you dont just make the metric version only.

StoneyCreekMrMauser
December 02, 2008, 17:01
I'm definitely interested. I'd like to see some more advanced FAL mags. The C-products AR mags are nice and if these are anything like those I'll be on 'em like white on rice!

Scott S
December 02, 2008, 17:20
If they're a nitride finish, does that mean these are stainless? If so, I'll name my next child DSA. Well, I don't plan to have any more kids, but I certainly would show my appreciation in a monetary manner.

moses
December 03, 2008, 00:28
Price them @ around $17 and you'll sell millions!

littlehoot
December 03, 2008, 00:52
as long as all the parts are marked usa i'll be in for several as well...

richbug
December 03, 2008, 06:22
Originally posted by moses
Price them @ around $17 and you'll sell millions!

seeing what other new 308 magazines sell for(DPMS, AR10 etc), that is pretty optimistic pricing.

Sophicles
December 03, 2008, 09:26
Very interested.

MBR29
December 03, 2008, 10:07
They will be under $30 I was told

Kyrottimus
December 04, 2008, 04:28
Keep us informed... and if you can, more picures of fully assembled (and finished) mags (if possible).

DSARep
December 04, 2008, 08:52
I have been told I will get early samples once they are at the final revision point, and will certainly post pictures with a range report. I just hope the weather here in Missouri cooperates. It is darn cold this morning!

:D

John

DSARep
December 04, 2008, 10:34
More pictures of the 30 rounders!

http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6106

These shots show the followers and base plates.

John

Ugh
December 04, 2008, 11:51
Very Nice.

Anxiously waiting.

moses
December 04, 2008, 20:03
Well seeing how magpul and C products can make high quality AR mags for under $15 DSA should be able make FAL mags in the same price range.
It just depends on if they get greedy and price them higher.

Ghost
December 04, 2008, 20:27
Will these mags be compatable with the old stamped floor plates?

thanks,
JAKE

DSARep
December 05, 2008, 08:54
My understanding is that the magazines have a different enough design that the floorplates and followers are unique to this magazine. As for pricing, I would expect it to be competative with other companies .308 caliber magazines with similar features.

John

Ben Rogers
December 05, 2008, 23:44
Are you talking about the "ass-rape" pricing of Armalite, Colt and their ilk?

Or are you talking about the "reasonable" pricing that was the whole reason I was interested in a FAL to begin with? (i.e. $10 for a 20 round mags and $15 for 30 round mags)

And when the imposter who illegally captured the popular vote takes offive and outlaws these magazines to anyone but martial-law-enforcers who steal the freedoms of those who don't have the means to defend themselves through force, how much will you sell to them?

Hoot G
December 06, 2008, 04:09
Originally posted by Ben Rogers
Are you talking about the "ass-rape" pricing of Armalite, Colt and their ilk?

Or are you talking about the "reasonable" pricing that was the whole reason I was interested in a FAL to begin with? (i.e. $10 for a 20 round mags and $15 for 30 round mags)

And when the imposter who illegally captured the popular vote takes offive and outlaws these magazines to anyone but martial-law-enforcers who steal the freedoms of those who don't have the means to defend themselves through force, how much will you sell to them?


Umm, where and when can I buy original (or better) 30 round FAL mags for $15? Last weekend I sold 3 to a dealer for $50 each. If the new DSA mags are less than that, I'll take 2 and thank DSA for making them available.

But that's just me, maybe...

nwobhm
December 06, 2008, 09:50
Originally posted by Ben Rogers
Are you talking about the "ass-rape" pricing of Armalite, Colt and their ilk?


If they are in the Armalite/Colt spectrum of pricing I'll be cancelling my order. 20rd Surplus mags will be fine by me. If the price is realistic I'll buy a bunch of the 25's and 30's.

grandpassage
December 06, 2008, 11:30
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL1759/11042232/21120188/346101097.jpg
I'll be ordering some of these!

DougD
December 06, 2008, 15:49
Originally posted by Ben Rogers:And when the imposter who illegally captured the popular vote takes offive and outlaws these magazines to anyone but martial-law-enforcers who steal the freedoms of those who don't have the means to defend themselves through force, how much will you sell to them?

Dude....you need to simmer down some. The DSA rep is likely not an agent of any gun-grabbing administration.

Obama isn't going to "outlaw" anything. The president does not initiate legislation. Congress does that...and what do you mean by "martial-law enforcers" anyway and when was the last time we had martial law in this country? (That's a multi-part, run on, rhetorical question, BTW.)

I'm about as strong a gun-rights guy to be found anywhere. I'm not only a member of the NRA but I'm also an NRA instructor in several disciplines. I didn't vote for Obama and I'm extremely conservative so please try to understand that when a guy with my right wing, pro-gun perspective thinks you come across as having a major chip on your shoulder, you may want to reevaluate your tone; especially when you act this way in a non-political thread about a forthcoming firearms-based product.

Lighten up!

brownknees
December 06, 2008, 16:38
Absolutely.
There are forum rules for this forum, & we all try to respect both the rules & the DSA folks who run it.
This kind of rubbish belongs in "politics". Or better still "Dumping Brass."

skyhigh340
December 06, 2008, 16:41
Can't wait to get some for my fal!
Thanks DSA!

FAL freek
December 06, 2008, 21:47
Originally posted by DSARep
I have been told I will get early samples once they are at the final revision point, and will certainly post pictures with a range report. I just hope the weather here in Missouri cooperates. It is darn cold this morning!

:D

John Does that mean you'll take volunteers for test samples? :biggrin: Might be too cold in Missouri for you to get back outside so maybe send a few down here to me for the test drive. We don't want you getting sick again.

DSARep
December 08, 2008, 08:51
Good point, I don't want to get sick again either! I am hoping down here in the southern part of the state we will have a break in the weather about the time the mags show up.

:D

John

littlehoot
December 09, 2008, 00:12
Hey John, the invite for the company to move to Alabama is still open! Its warmer down here!!!

pssst... theres some good deer hunting down here and we like guns and such!

K.O.A.M.
December 09, 2008, 14:30
Originally posted by Ben Rogers
Are you talking about the "ass-rape" pricing of Armalite, Colt and their ilk?

Or are you talking about the "reasonable" pricing that was the whole reason I was interested in a FAL to begin with? (i.e. $10 for a 20 round mags and $15 for 30 round mags)

And when the imposter who illegally captured the popular vote takes offive and outlaws these magazines to anyone but martial-law-enforcers who steal the freedoms of those who don't have the means to defend themselves through force, how much will you sell to them?

Don't troll the DSA threads. If you don't like them, don't buy them. It's that simple. There's no reason to throw a bunch of poop out when it doesn't have anything to do with them. If you're angry about something, take it to DB.

MBR29
December 10, 2008, 17:52
The old DSA 30rd mags were $30-$40 not $15 also the new mag is going to be less than $30.

Plus $10 for a new one thats a wish. Surplus FAL mags are cheap because there surplus. Try to make a any product from 30 years ago at the same price.

DougD
December 10, 2008, 19:01
Originally posted by MBR29
...also the new mag is going to be less than $30.

I'm not sure I follow you here. You don't mean that the new magazines from DSA will cost less than $30, do you? Can you clarify what you mean?

MBR29 also wrote: Plus $10 for a new one thats a wish. Surplus FAL mags are cheap because there surplus. Try to make a any product from 30 years ago at the same price.

You have a point here.

millerphys
December 10, 2008, 23:03
Ohh, crap, I think I just peed myself. A couple of years ago the rep and I pined over the thought of 25rders, not to hear 20, 25, and 30. I think I need to put on new underwear.

I will be definetly saving my money for those honeys. DON'T FORGET, spare springs for sale too :bow:

lina
December 11, 2008, 00:46
I ordered an extended safety , buttstoct removal tool and a cheap soft case WEEKS ago . PLEASE PLEASE take my money and ship my order.

DSARep
December 11, 2008, 09:04
I will post pricing info when I get it. I think it is important to remember the point MBR29 made about FAL mags. There have been tons of surplus ones imported over the years, to the point that even during the ban one could get FAL mags at far better pricing than mags for many other "assault weapons". That tends to skew the perception of what mags cost. Surplus items were bought in bulk from countries just wanting to dump them for anything they could get. This had no real relationship to what the mags cost them or would cost to duplicate 20 or 30 years after they were made. So DSA's mags have to cost more, as with any other companies quality modern .308 mags. I anticipate pricing will be quite reasonable compared to similar mags for AR10s and other platforms.

John

millerphys
December 11, 2008, 10:14
DSARep

Unfortunately we have all been spoiled by the excellent military surplus mags that have been available to us for years.

I understand mags cost $40-60 dollars in the new manufacturing world. The only thing I will suggest is that you offer discounts on volume purchases. Armalite offers/ed a discount on a minimum purchase of 5. I would like to see at least some sort of bulk discount for end users if we bought say 10 or so at a pop direct from DSA.

Please consider that when you offer them. Most people on this site are not the typical 1 or 2 mag type people anyway. We buy in bulk. I have never ordered less than 10 FAL mags at a time, no matter how much I paid.

I am just politely asking, thanks for you consideration on this.

moses
December 11, 2008, 17:52
I understand about surplus mags etc.

But the line about you can't manufacturer today for what it would cost 20 to 30 years ago doesn't quite fly, 20 to 30 years ago it probably cost $.50 to $.75 to make FAL mags so cost today should be around $2.00 tops. I understand about having to account for start up costs for molds and dies but you spread that out over the long haul.

I say this because look at Magpul and C Products and other new mag manufacturers.

You can get C product mags brand new for around $10 yes they are aluminum and not steel but aluminum actually costs more than steel by the pound.

Magpul makes arguably the best AR mag on the market now and they are around $15

The fact that they are 223/AR mags and not 308 mags does not effect cost to manufacturer!
The only reason the 308 AR mags are so costly is they are the only game in town as there are no surplus mags to keep the prices in line with the AR mags, and the company's making them are gouging their customers, plain and simple.

Price them as you like but if they are reasonable I'll by a bunch as will most, gouge us and you will sell some but not to most and I will by none.

Under $20 for a 20 rd mag is plenty of profit.

BTW I always give kudos to DSA for not jacking up the price on thier receivers, I have always respected you guys for that.

DougD
December 11, 2008, 23:32
You know, Moses kinda has a point.

IronSkegge
December 12, 2008, 01:25
When will these mags be available?

richbug
December 12, 2008, 07:30
Originally posted by moses

You can get C product mags brand new for around $10 yes they are aluminum and not steel but aluminum actually costs more than steel by the pound.



Aluminum actually draws much easier than steel, and as such you can use much cheaper and lighter tooling.

As to the cost of surplus mags when new, they may have cost that then, but economy of scale is everything when it comes to stamping and drawing dies.

DSARep
December 12, 2008, 08:49
I will be sure to post info as I get it. Expect a review from me as soon as the mags are in the final revisions. I may have to crack open my stash of good .308 for the cause.

John

millerphys
December 12, 2008, 12:47
Factory mags have always come at a premium price.

VOLUME VOLUME VOLUME. If they could crank them out in AR15 or Glock numbers than price would be super sweet, but how many people out there are rushing to Cabella's to order their new $2000 DSA Fal? More likely they are rushing out to buy the latest plastic 16 with a known name on it, actually manufactured by someone else.

The fact that they are paying for the tooling at all is great and I thank them for investing and risking their capital to do it in this day and age.

As far as markup is concerned, DSA has to sell something with a good profit margin to keep the lights on. Remember DSA is NOT FN or Smith and Wesson size wise.

Remember, this is a company with employees, insurance, benefits, massive overhead, etc. It isn't some dude in a garage with no overhead or employees to keep in medical and salaries to pay.

I will be the first to say I hate paying $45 dollars for 1 lousy stamped mag, but then I remember that everyday DSA must earn X dollars of profit, not gross, just to pay the bills and keep the heat turned on.

So, just be glad we are getting them at all.

nwobhm
December 12, 2008, 16:11
Originally posted by richbug


Aluminum actually draws much easier than steel, and as such you can use much cheaper and lighter tooling.

As to the cost of surplus mags when new, they may have cost that then, but economy of scale is everything when it comes to stamping and drawing dies.

If making them out of aluminum is cheaper I'll take the aluminum.

31ST MEUSOC
December 13, 2008, 10:58
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Are you guys going to make the inch version??? Do you guys have curved 30rnd mags on the plate to make? Us inch guys could use new 30rnd mag springs aswell!!!

jwaters
December 13, 2008, 21:24
I like the looks of these. I do hope they get out in quantity before sort of ban comes along.

The 25 rounder looks like a perfect size almost. New 30's would be nice too.

I'll suggest an FALfiles discount, why not? or at least a package deal. How about a try new mags deal, one of each (20, 25, and 30) at a good price to entice us to see what we like. And a quantity discount would be nice (but DSA has offered that in the past on items, so I'd expect they consider it here too).

As for Aluminum is easier to make, that may be true, but C-products makes AR Aluminum mags for $10 and Stainless for $13-14. (And prior to the election, they were less than that). So steel may be more, it's just not that much more. Maybe on a percent basis (30-40%), but still it's only a couple bucks.

JW

jbgw
December 13, 2008, 21:43
If there are any problems AT ALL with the cold, just send some down to sunny Florida so me, mike and cbr can run a few rounds through them (in a very scientific fashion). Nothing like sacrificing one's self for the cause.

Tak
December 18, 2008, 21:46
Inch please!

P FAL
December 19, 2008, 22:33
Another vote for L1A1 inch pattern.

nra-life-member
December 20, 2008, 19:06
These look good from the pictures.. Can't wait to find out if they function.. And the final price!

DougD
December 20, 2008, 19:50
Originally posted by nra-life-member
These look good from the pictures.. Can't wait to find out if they function.. And the final price!

Let's face it, function and price are the two most important features of any firearms accessory. Though I love DSA and what they have done for the FAL platform, it will be function and price that determines how many of these are purchased...if and when they become available.

So let's get on with it! I'm thirsty for a new 25 round FAL magazine with a polymer follower. :beer:

Knifeman
December 22, 2008, 15:38
As long as they are under $60 I will be buying some. To have a quality high cap that is current production (and I can count on) is worth every penny.

There are plenty of handguns with pricey mags and consumers buy plenty of them. Just because you have a surplus rifle does not mean that the "new" parts will sell at surplus prices.

Trying to beat down the vendor about what mag pricing "should" or "better" be is pretty beat IMO.

Viva la DSA

moses
December 22, 2008, 17:59
Nobody's beating them down! Just saying price them like other company's are pricing thier new production AR mags.

IMHO DSA has never been a gouging type company, I hope they keep that trend the same.

$17 for 20 rd
$18.50 for 25 rd
$20 for 30 rd

That is my Christmas wish:biggrin:

Steelhead
December 23, 2008, 13:48
I think DSA is making a great decision here. Not only will these magazine work in DSA's excellent FAL's and every other FAL out there, but there are two other rifles out there that these will work in. One rifle is currently available, albeit in small quantities and they are having a heck of a time producing more. The second rifle is being made by probably the biggest firearms manufacturer in the world and I expect high volumes of this rifle to be out within the next few months.

So, reasonably priced magazines seem very likely! :cool: :fal:

nra-life-member
December 23, 2008, 14:33
Originally posted by Steelhead
The second rifle is being made by probably the biggest firearms manufacturer in the world and I expect high volumes of this rifle to be out within the next few months..



Which rifle would that be??

1811GNR
December 23, 2008, 15:04
Originally posted by nra-life-member


Which rifle would that be??

Speculation: scar-h

Other is most likely RR LAR 8.

And let us not forget the much awaited KelTec RFB.

StoneyCreekMrMauser
December 25, 2008, 13:44
Originally posted by 1811GNR


Speculation: scar-h

Other is most likely RR LAR 8.

And let us not forget the much awaited KelTec RFB.

Hopefully none too expensive, espy. the Kel-Tec. I'd like to get my dad a LAR 8 or similar next year to replace his Colt HBAR.

Steelhead
December 26, 2008, 12:35
Originally posted by nra-life-member


Which rifle would that be??

SCAR-H is correct.

RRA LAR-8 is already out and seems to be doing well.

I forgot about the Kel-Tec.

L1A1rocker
December 26, 2008, 13:09
Originally posted by P FAL
Another vote for L1A1 inch pattern.

Another vote for the L1A1 pattern.

Heat
December 26, 2008, 20:19
Originally posted by MBR29
The old DSA 30rd mags were $30-$40 not $15 also the new mag is going to be less than $30.

Plus $10 for a new one thats a wish. Surplus FAL mags are cheap because there surplus. Try to make a any product from 30 years ago at the same price.
Whats wrong with a little 'constructive' criticism? Gun manufacturers HAVE been ass-raping us alot--$30-40 for some stamped sheetmatal and a spring IS ass-raping--the raw materials alone account for what, .50-75 cents? I paid $72 for a glock 17 mag in '99--why? because I was desperate and someone was willing to take advantage (i.e. ass-rape) of me--there is plenty of greed to go around in the gun community--DSA charges WAY to damn much for their rifles--nothing new under the sun, greed is an old motivator but if DSA and its fans cant take a little criticism then maybe they should price their product realistically

Hoot G
December 26, 2008, 21:18
Nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but there's nothing constructive about calling someone an "ass-raper." That's just rude, and ignorant.

Nothing wrong about charging what the customer will pay. Businesses are in business to make money, not feed your hobby. If you don't like their; product, price, service, whatever, take it somewhere else. But, coming here to bitch about DSA is likely not to do you much good.

Or, better yet, if you think it's so easy and cheap to make reliable FAL mags, and pay your employees, and the government, and the insurance companies, and the shipping companies, and yourself, make some, sell 'em cheap, and take over the market.

It's not rape if you're willing. If you pay the price, you're willing.

Don't like the price? Buy something else. And, quit whining, especially since we don't even know yet what the price for the mags is going to be. Think DSA guns and parts are too high? Buy something else. Damn, it's not rocket science.

DSA charges WAY to damn much for their rifles--nothing new under the sun, greed is an old motivator but if DSA and its fans cant take a little criticism then maybe they should price their product realistically

Sounds to me like you posted here just to bash DSA. Makes me wonder about your motivations.

Oh, and since you don't like DSA so much, maybe you should buy a 20 round inch mag from the California guys. $35 each, plus shipping. Or is that something you don't want pointed out?

No, I'm not bitching about the price, I bought two of them. :D

nwobhm
December 26, 2008, 22:43
Originally posted by Heat

DSA charges WAY to damn much for their rifles

Do you actually know how much you can get a DSA for? You gotta be kidding. An STG for $1,000 is "Way to damn much"? Gun show prices are not DSA's prices. For that matter if you don't like DSA's price points why not have someone else build them for you. Get in line with GP or CGW and buy/ship all the needed parts. It'll be more than $1,000 for a 21" Imbel.

Receiver $450(If you are lucky enough to find it)
922r $125
Complete usable kit $300
Shipping it all over the country $50
FFL transfer for receiver $25
Gunsmithing (You get what you pay for)

Your at $950 without gunsmithing.

jbrooks
December 26, 2008, 23:00
OK, now another question... :bigangel:

I have had Israeli mags fail because the stamped rear portion of the mag, where the base of the cartridge sits, becomes "flattened" or deformed under recoil. That's because the "folds" of the stamping are not "closed" or crimped down. Argentine and Belgian (maybe others) mags have closed folds in that part where the cartridge head rests against.

So, can you post a pic of a top view of the new mags without the follower just for a perspective?

As for price, 44Mag.com sells excellent USGI quality M14 mags (25 rounders) for about 35 bucks, http://www.44mag.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CM25


Many thanks,

JWB

Heat
December 27, 2008, 07:40
Originally posted by nwobhm


Do you actually know how much you can get a DSA for? You gotta be kidding. An STG for $1,000 is "Way to damn much"? Gun show prices are not DSA's prices. For that matter if you don't like DSA's price points why not have someone else build them for you. Get in line with GP or CGW and buy/ship all the needed parts. It'll be more than $1,000 for a 21" Imbel.

Receiver $450(If you are lucky enough to find it)
922r $125
Complete usable kit $300
Shipping it all over the country $50
FFL transfer for receiver $25
Gunsmithing (You get what you pay for)

Your at $950 without gunsmithing.
Nope, I'll stick with my John C Garand--more reliable, more accurate, cheaper, harderhitting---haha!!
Have bought SEVERAL FAL 'S over yrs--all alot cheaper than DSA--same accuracy/reliablility--you throw around '$1,000' like its nothing--please dont start the 'DSA is going broke' business here--they arent
next thing you'll be saying $700 is 'a.o.k' price for 1000rds of surplus .7.62--not such a free=market when your bent over taking it in the keester on these prices--more like 'greed-market'

2barearms
December 27, 2008, 08:30
It's either the Rock River or the Bushmaster 308's that take FAL mags.

I would love a stack O' 30's on the shelf, to keep my 20's company.

nwobhm
December 27, 2008, 09:12
Originally posted by Heat

Nope, I'll stick with my John C Garand--more reliable, more accurate, cheaper, harderhitting---haha!!
Have bought SEVERAL FAL 'S over yrs--all alot cheaper than DSA--same accuracy/reliablility--you throw around '$1,000' like its nothing--please dont start the 'DSA is going broke' business here--they arent
next thing you'll be saying $700 is 'a.o.k' price for 1000rds of surplus .7.62--not such a free=market when your bent over taking it in the keester on these prices--more like 'greed-market'

$1k isn't nothing. It's the starting point for most every 308 military style rifle on the market for the past few years. As for $72 Glock mags. You chose to bend over and drop your shorts. No one forced you.

Heat
December 28, 2008, 21:32
Originally posted by nwobhm


$1k isn't nothing. It's the starting point for most every 308 military style rifle on the market for the past few years. As for $72 Glock mags. You chose to bend over and drop your shorts. No one forced you.
Yes, I already said that I willingly paid the excessive prices--doesnt negate the fact that greed is a motivator
i.e. $700=$50 shipping for 1000rds surplus german 7,62x51--when this ammo was manufactured way back in the eighties raw materials were at rock bottom prices--surplus a few yrs ago (3) were cheap..reason they are more now for long ago produced goods? greed--$72 glock mags--same applies--before election I paid $24.99 for Glock 18 33rd mags--now same vendor charges $34.99--maybe not his fault but somewhere up the chain greed has motivated yet another--I bought my first FAL $499 9 yrs ago--Imbel receiver STG58 finest FAL I owned--2 weeks later the price went up $200--why? greed--someone decided they could 'take advantage' of a situation in California and they did--in my opinion vendors that charge inflated prices are not operating ethically--I guess I am old school because I do not believe in taking advantage of others misfortune--just because I have to pay the prices charged for certain products does not mean I condone those vendors for charging me inflated prices--when they overcharge then they will be judged for their actions--sooner or later--no sin goes unpunished

jbrooks
December 28, 2008, 23:26
Years a go I bought several cases of Port. 7.62 X 51mm ammo for $0.17 per round. If I sold them now I would charge 60 cents a round at least.

Greed??

No..

Just being practical. I know I will not be able to replace or even find any Port for less than that now.

Simple Economics 101. Not Greed.

I own a business. What people see is only the money coming in (their money) but they don't see my taxes, payroll, overrhead, inventory costs, etc...

Capitalism... profit... it's a good thing. Karl Marx wrote about it in 1849... "Das Kapital"...

Walk a few feet in my shoes and then come back and comment... :bow:

JWB

spatin
December 29, 2008, 00:48
Well, I'll be looking for your response.

DSA ought to sell them in 5-packs with a discount for buying 5 at a time. (Can you guess how many I'll need?)

Also, please hurry and get these on the market a.s.a.p. before the anti-gun lunatics make it illegal to buy them.

Sidney

Heat
December 29, 2008, 01:11
Originally posted by jbrooks
Years a go I bought several cases of Port. 7.62 X 51mm ammo for $0.17 per round. If I sold them now I would charge 60 cents a round at least.

Greed??

No..

Just being practical. I know I will not be able to replace or even find any Port for less than that now.

Simple Economics 101. Not Greed.

I own a business. What people see is only the money coming in (their money) but they don't see my taxes, payroll, overrhead, inventory costs, etc...

Capitalism... profit... it's a good thing. Karl Marx wrote about it in 1849... "Das Kapital"...

Walk a few feet in my shoes and then come back and comment... :bow:

JWB
Already have..owned four profitable restuarants--did it all without getting greedy--generated alot of business by offering a 'square deal'--sorry but excessive prices are a result of greed--plain and simple--put that in your pipe and take a nice, long toke

Hoot G
December 29, 2008, 01:49
Originally posted by Heat

Nope, I'll stick with my John C Garand--more reliable, more accurate, cheaper, harderhitting---haha!!


So, if I understand this comment, you don't like FALs, and wouldn't have one, because your Garand is so much the superior weapon. That's fine, everyone should be allowed their fantasy. But, that generates a couple of questions.

No need for a magazine (to return to the original subject of this thread), or any of their products? Why do you continue to whine about their prices?

Why is it that you continue to insult the forum host and a guest?

Why, indeed, are you even posting on the FAL files? :fal:

DSARep
December 29, 2008, 10:48
Okay, I come back from Christmas and this thread seems a little adrift. Back on the topics of mags, I will be sure to post any info as I get it. I know everyone is in a hurry given the administration change. Rest assured DSA feels the same way, so the mags are top priority. This has been in the works a long time and everyone at DSA really wants to see this come to fruition.

John

nwobhm
December 29, 2008, 12:11
Originally posted by DSARep
Okay, I come back from Christmas and this thread seems a little adrift. Back on the topics of mags, I will be sure to post any info as I get it. I know everyone is in a hurry given the administration change. Rest assured DSA feels the same way, so the mags are top priority. This has been in the works a long time and everyone at DSA really wants to see this come to fruition.

John

John, Any chance of alloy mags being offered too? Not as a cost cutting measure but weight cutting.

Heat
December 29, 2008, 12:44
Originally posted by Hoot G


So, if I understand this comment, you don't like FALs, and wouldn't have one, because your Garand is so much the superior weapon. That's fine, everyone should be allowed their fantasy. But, that generates a couple of questions.

No need for a magazine (to return to the original subject of this thread), or any of their products? Why do you continue to whine about their prices?

Why is it that you continue to insult the forum host and a guest?

Why, indeed, are you even posting on the FAL files? :fal:
No, actually you dont understand my comments correctly--I DO like FAL's--have owned several--they are NOT in fact as accurate as Garands I have chosen--they in turn are not quite as reliable IMO and others Opinions--no real fantasy at all, ask a vet who carried a Garand
Not whining about prices(though you seem to be doing a fair amount yourself about my posts) just pointing out the high price issue
where did I insult anyone here? Its called constructive criticism--

Why am I even posting on the Fal Files? Why not? Is this just a forum for one opinion--a little love fest for a clique of one rifle? Look thru the multitide of different categories--I would think that the 'DSA' area would be the most appropriate to address the high price issue--I infact didnt even start the thread ---just adding my OPINION---I guess that is what you have a problem with--differing opinions

Hoot G
December 29, 2008, 15:13
Gun manufacturers HAVE been ass-raping us alot--$30-40 for some stamped sheetmatal and a spring IS ass-raping :cry:

Have bought SEVERAL FAL 'S over yrs--all alot cheaper than DSA :cry: :tongue:

reason they are more now for long ago produced goods? greed--... I guess I am old school because I do not believe in taking advantage of others misfortune :cry: :angel:

-sorry but excessive prices are a result of greed-- :cry:

Umm, ok, if you can't/won't/don't see the insults and whining (in every one of your posts in this thread) I suppose you never will. However, calling someone a greedy ass-raper isn't my idea of being nice. Constructive criticism is advancing an idea that may contribute to the goal, in this case, DSA mags. There have been lots of good ideas in this thread, about materials, round count, inch or metric, but you've contributed nothing but "you greedy ass-rapers." Doesn't sound very constructive to me.

It doesn't sound from your posts that you own a FAL, and it sounds from your posts that you don't plan to own a FAL. Given that, your only opinion, that DSA is nothing but a greedy company, is pretty much useless. But, I should have figured out how useless is it to point out your lack of manners when you posted this;
--when they overcharge then they will be judged for their actions--sooner or later--no sin goes unpunished
You holier-than-thou folks are impervious to any real logic.


Yes, the FAL files is a place for a :fal: love fest. Duh. Love your Garand? Find a Garand forum. It's a fine rifle, I'm sure there are folks that like to talk about them.

Given the posts you've made, I'd think you'd be looking for a "I hate greedy ass-rapers" forum. Oh, here's one;
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=23
Want to talk about something off Topic? Complain? Start a Flame War? Do it here.
NOTICE: This Forum is for Mature Audiences Only.

I'm done with you in this thread. :skull:



My apologies to the DSA rep (and the others here) for dragging this out. Thank you, and thank DSA, for making an excellent product, and sharing your knowledge with us. :bigangel:

Hoot

Heat
December 29, 2008, 21:58
Good...bye bye

jimbeam
December 30, 2008, 09:45
taggety

DSARep
December 30, 2008, 11:25
I have not heard of any plans to do mags in other materials. When this was originally discussed I suggested considering something like a P-Mag for the FAL for weight savings and as an opportunity to incorporate a round count "window" of some sort into the mag. DSA has more experience working with steel and of course the Steyr mags have been used as a standard to beat essentially in making new mags, so metal is a natural choice for us. If the new mags sell well perhaps there will be an opportunity to look at more options.

John

gear-head
December 30, 2008, 13:19
Dude, the new mags WILL sell well regardless of the whining and bitching in the previous posts.

Happy New Year!

millerphys
December 30, 2008, 17:24
If you think you can make them cheaper, go for it. Look what Springfield charges for that cast POS m1a.

I bet that if we were to start making mill spec M1 Garands today the price would be north of $2000. Think of all the forging dies, and how expensive they would be to have made.

Plus, I won't say it out loud, but the dealers do make good money on the higher end DSA's, plus the US government get 20% in taxes on completed rifles. Why do you think it is SOOO cheap to build a AR15 verses buying a completed one?

Basically, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE, or open up your own FAL manufacturing company. :skull:

Heat
January 01, 2009, 01:42
Originally posted by millerphys
If you think you can make them cheaper, go for it. Look what Springfield charges for that cast POS m1a.

I bet that if we were to start making mill spec M1 Garands today the price would be north of $2000. Think of all the forging dies, and how expensive they would be to have made.

Plus, I won't say it out loud, but the dealers do make good money on the higher end DSA's, plus the US government get 20% in taxes on completed rifles. Why do you think it is SOOO cheap to build a AR15 verses buying a completed one?

Basically, SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE, or open up your own FAL manufacturing company. :skull:
Who are you telling to 'shut your piehole' brave one?

DougD
January 01, 2009, 11:19
IIRC, this thread is about the new magazines that DSA is going offer in the near future. There's too much posturing (if that's possible with words on a computer screen) and disagreement here. Let's see if we can mitigate the growing hostility so everyone can get back to talking about the subject at hand:

1) Do some gun companies charge too much for their products? Absolutely.
2) Do we have to like it? No.
3) Are they being unethical or greedy? Sometimes. Not usually.
4) Are any of us forced to buy their products? No.
5) Is it "wrong" or unethical to charge what the market will bear? No.
6) Should there be price controls on the gun stuff we want? No.
7) Is it OK to be hopping mad about out-of-control prices? Yes.
8) Should small companies who offer a niche product attainable for any "middle-class" citizen be accused of "ass-raping" when their prices are slightly higher than what one believes to be reasonable? No.
9) Is civility and politeness, even on the internet (http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Flaming-(Internet)), something that we should value and practice? Yes.

I'm as pissed off about pricing on some items as anyone else but ultimately, we should take the emotion out of the issue.

Here is some excellent reading material for those who have further questions or concerns about pricing and fairness:
Economics in One Lesson (http://www.amazon.com/Economics-One-Lesson-Shortest-Understand/dp/0517548232)
Price Ceiling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_ceiling)

Robert E. Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Howard), the creator of Conan the Barbarian, once wrote, "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." There's a lot of truth to that, especially on internet discussion forums. What are you going to do? Fight about it? Actually convince your opponent of the righteousness of your position? "Win?"

Good discussion and polite disagreements are healthy for people and organizations of all kinds. Bitterness and hateful diatribes ruin it for everyone. This is a thread about DS Arms magazines. So pretty please, with sugar on top, knock off the bullshit. Take the pointless arguments somewhere else.

ROCK-n-GLOCK
January 01, 2009, 18:52
You don't like the price don't buy it

The market determines the price for the most part

And now with the "Scare factor" of the new administration, everything is going up and going fast.

So buy your hi caps, folders and any other stuff you want. It will be illegal again in a year or so..........

FAL's are simple and can be made to be really accurate with little time and money. I can shoot 3 inch groups with mt DSA STG58 at 200 yards, that's more than accurate enough for me.

JJC
January 01, 2009, 23:15
Originally posted by P FAL
Another vote for L1A1 inch pattern.

another vote for Inch pattern

DSARep
January 02, 2009, 11:25
Guys please stay on topic or I will start axing posts.

Magazines, magazines, magazines. There I got everyone started...

:)

Thanks!

John

Scott S
January 02, 2009, 16:08
John, will these mags be made of stainless?

spatin
January 02, 2009, 22:39
If you want to send me one or two, I'd be glad to test them for you and let you know if I like them or not!

:biggrin:

millerphys
January 03, 2009, 12:18
Updated delivery date???



Prior post, wasn't pointing at anyone in particular. Besides, how can I threaten anyone of the internet??? I don't know them, and they sure as crap don't know me either? :bow:

DSARep
January 05, 2009, 09:32
Nothing new yet. I will update when I hear something.

John

gear-head
January 10, 2009, 13:44
Since you guys would be making all the parts, would you be offering the magazine followers separately as well? I'd be able to add a USA compliant part to my current mags, as well as buying some new all USA made ones.

Here's hoping ...

whiskey1
January 10, 2009, 21:27
Can these be pre-ordered (I didn't read the whole thread if in case this was covered)?

JJC
January 11, 2009, 14:53
Originally posted by gear-head
Since you guys would be making all the parts, would you be offering the magazine followers separately as well? I'd be able to add a USA compliant part to my current mags, as well as buying some new all USA made ones.

Here's hoping ...

IIRC the design is different enough that they do not interchange John/DSA Rep posted this earlier in the thread :

QUOTE]Originally posted by DSARep
My understanding is that the magazines have a different enough design that the floorplates and followers are unique to this magazine. As for pricing, I would expect it to be competative with other companies .308 caliber magazines with similar features.

John [/QUOTE]

gear-head
January 11, 2009, 16:39
oh bugger

DSARep
January 12, 2009, 08:36
They are different enough that they don't fit surplus mags.

John

nwobhm
January 12, 2009, 21:40
Any guesstimate on availability? 1 month, 3 months, 6 months????? Anything beyond 1 month is probably not going to be available to us. Hurry!

DSARep
January 13, 2009, 08:25
I don't have a time frame yet. It is top priority, but also has to be done right. I was told that the spring design was just changed to a square cornered spring rather than rounded for better performance under full loads of heavier bullet ammo (in particular for the 30 rounders). This will not slow down the process significantly as it is just a matter of specifying a different spring.

John

Douglas S Graham
January 14, 2009, 12:13
Thanks to DSA for all of your efforts. Please don't let the weanie whiners change your focus!! And thank YOU John for all of your patience and updates. Doug.

Glocker #1
January 17, 2009, 23:31
+1 :)

tonyt
January 19, 2009, 18:21
I think it is funny when someone is asking for a quantity discount but then says they order more than 1-2 at a time. I just ordered some M14 magazine from CMI and they just ran a 15,000 magazine order for a customer. Guess who that customer was?

Now that I think about it, I did get a discount for ordering 10.

Hopefully the magazines will be available faster than a DSArms rifle which are impossible to find right now. I love mine and wanted to purchase another but can't find any in Northern Virginia.

31ST MEUSOC
January 21, 2009, 13:24
AGAIN ARE THESE GOING TO BE MADE FOR THE INCH VERSION? WILL YOU GUYS MAKE THE CURVED ONES ASWELL?

torquemada055
January 21, 2009, 14:43
Gee, all I want is a price so that I can start saving money for more mags!!!

I could use some more inch, I only have 10..........:beer:

moses
January 21, 2009, 14:52
I seriously doubt they will make Inch dedicated mags as that would require a completely different set up.

However the metric mags should work in your inch receivers, I know mine do.

jbrooks
January 21, 2009, 14:57
I'm pretty sure this will be a "side effect" of a military contract, or large contract, related to the SCAR. In that context, I can't see any chance that inch or curved mags will be made. Just wouldn't be economically feasible, especially given the politics of the present.

JWB

moses
January 21, 2009, 15:08
I wish Magpul would make some FAL/308 LAR mags to give DSA some competition so as to keep the price sane.

I love you DSA :love: but competiton is good!

Sophicles
January 21, 2009, 23:13
Originally posted by moses
I wish Magpul would make some FAL/308 LAR mags to give DSA some competition so as to keep the price sane.

I love you DSA :love: but competiton is good!

Now THAT is a great idea!! A FAL PMAG.

DSARep
January 22, 2009, 08:39
No plans to do an inch version, and they will be straight as shown in the picture.

John

DSARep
January 23, 2009, 08:42
I have some information on pricing and availability. The new mags should be available by late March or early April at the soonest. Retail will be $25 on the 30 round mag, and $15 on the 20 rounder. I will post more pictures as soon as I have a sample in hand.

Thanks!

John

jbrooks
January 23, 2009, 08:47
Outstanding! :shades:

I'm in for 8 30-rounders... maybe 10... I'm stashing my change now. :beer:

How about a group buy?

JWB

richbug
January 23, 2009, 09:12
I'm in for ten 25s or 30's

gunadict
January 23, 2009, 22:27
Scroll about half way down the page on the right. It looks like a 30 rounder to me.

http://www.gunblast.com/SHOT_2009_4.htm

L1A1rocker
January 23, 2009, 22:31
Originally posted by DSARep
I have some information on pricing and availability. The new mags should be available by late March or early April at the soonest. Retail will be $25 on the 30 round mag, and $15 on the 20 rounder. I will post more pictures as soon as I have a sample in hand.

Thanks!

John

Sounds like very reasonable pricing. Just wish there was an Inch version - especially for the 30 rounders:)

Krunch
January 28, 2009, 15:31
John:

Will the "SCAR notch" be optional, or will all the magazines have it?

I don't think that notch will allow the magazine to be fully seated in the new Kel-Tec RFB.

moses
January 28, 2009, 16:32
Awesome! I am very pleased that they have priced these in line with all the great new AR mags that are out now!

L1A1rocker, have you ever tried metric mags in yor inch rifle, both of my Inch rifles can use metric mags with no problems!

W.E.G.
January 28, 2009, 16:52
Originally posted by DSARep
I have some information on pricing and availability. The new mags should be available by late March or early April at the soonest. Retail will be $25 on the 30 round mag, and $15 on the 20 rounder. I will post more pictures as soon as I have a sample in hand.

Thanks!

John


Please establish some means to control the sales of these mags.

Everybody wants some, and you can expect hoarding if you let buyers get by with it.

The five-pack thing that Moody's has been doing with P-Mags seems like a prudent and feasible approach.

NO BACK ORDERS!!!

jbrooks
January 28, 2009, 17:19
Hey, C'mon W.E.G.,

It's not "hoarding", it's just saving up for a rainy day.

Capitalism... Free Market...

If the Gov't imposed controls on sales I'm guessing folks around here may object...

What's wrong with backorders?

I bought a useful stash of CMI M14 mags from 44Mag.com, no problems there...

JWB
:bigangel:

pappadiddypop
January 28, 2009, 19:05
That would really suck if they didn't work in the Keltec RFB!!!

olgier
January 28, 2009, 22:31
well, i'll be ordering 5 when they are available. :D

DSARep
January 29, 2009, 10:34
I agree, some limit per customer would make sense. I will suggest that. I am prone to hording myself and I know that really does not help anyone. My pile of 70+ AR mags is probably evidence of some sort of sickness that I need treatment for....

:biggrin:

We regulated the AR upper sale a bit for the same reason, just to try and make sure everyone who ordered got at least one in a timely fashion.

John

John W in SC
January 29, 2009, 10:44
Originally posted by DSARep
I agree, some limit per customer would make sense. I will suggest that. I am prone to hording myself and I know that really does not help anyone. My pile of 70+ AR mags is probably evidence of some sort of sickness that I need treatment for....
<snip>John

I don't think the issue is how many of something a person has, but whether everyone has a chance to get some before anybody buys a bunch. If you bought your AR mags over the years as you got "good deals", that's fine. If someone buys out a limited quantity, especially if they resell them at a huge profit, that isn't fine.

DSA is in business to make money. I'm confident they will produce as many mags as they can sell. I'm also confident they won't have an unlimited supply the first day the mags go on sale. A reasonable quantity limit, for a reasonable length of time, seems like a reasonable idea.

John W in SC

Krunch
January 29, 2009, 12:23
Originally posted by pappadiddypop
That would really suck if they didn't work in the Keltec RFB!!!

I'm wondering how hard it would be to flatten that "toenail" :confused:

richbug
January 29, 2009, 12:46
Originally posted by Krunch


I'm wondering how hard it would be to flatten that "toenail" :confused:

You would be better off drilling/cutting it out. If you flatten it you will deform the mag. Not a difficult job to do.

Krunch
January 29, 2009, 13:48
Nothing a Dremel wont fix, I guess.

StoneyCreekMrMauser
January 29, 2009, 18:41
Schweeeeeet!

spatin
January 29, 2009, 23:11
I'll take five. Can you put them in a neat little shrink wrap package and sell them at a discount? Wal-Mart maybe?

:D

Sidney

DougD
February 01, 2009, 10:14
Originally posted by Sophicles


Now THAT is a great idea!! A FAL PMAG.

I have actually talked to MagPul about this. One of their guys is an avid FAL shooter and he posts on other firearms related websites. He said he even explored the possibility of working up a FAL P-MAG but in the end, it's just too cost prohibitive.

The molds alone can costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. The setup cost and tooling time for a specific product like a P-MAG can be incredible. When you intend to make millions of pieces for one of the most prolific weapons systems on the planet, this is just the cost of doing business. When one is considering a formerly wide-spread battle rifle that is no longer issued by major military forces and which also competes with numerous other 7.62 platforms, all of them using different magazines, there's just not enough market certainty there to justify the engineering, setup, and tooling costs.

I hate it too. I want a FAL P-MAG so bad it hurts. But then, those who shoot AR-10's, M-14's, and SCAR-H rifles want them too.

pappadiddypop
February 03, 2009, 15:36
Originally posted by Krunch


I'm wondering how hard it would be to flatten that "toenail" :confused:

Ya, flatten or cut it off but that would still kinda suck to have to modify a brand new mag. I'm still gonna buy some for my FAL no matter what.

v188
February 08, 2009, 10:25
This is a good thing you guys are doing at DSA. CongratS!

Sounds like a respectable price, (at least for today, I realize I can't compare 1990's pricing on surplus).

I'll definitely pick up a few, just to add to the hoardage.

BTW, DSARep, you mentioned you're in Southern MO? Boothill area?

Went down to visit family, and they still have ice on everything. Trees all over. It'll be summer before most of that mess in S. Mo , KY and Ark gets cleaned up.

W.E.G.
February 08, 2009, 10:32
Originally posted by DougD
I want a FAL P-MAG so bad it hurts. But then, those who shoot AR-10's, M-14's, and SCAR-H rifles want them too.

Should have bought the DPMS version.

http://www.magpul.com/images/teaser4.jpg

millerphys
February 08, 2009, 12:02
PMAGS are thermolds ugly cousin ;)

I think their top cover/lip spread preventer should come with a string so they can be hung off the bottom of the mag. that way you won't loose them for the next time you might want to keep them loaded. :devil:

A necessary cover that needs to be removed on a mag before use is like having a key start in a tank. Not the best thing to have in a time sensitive environment. :skull:

moses
February 08, 2009, 15:38
Pmags now are made so the cover clips onto the bottom of the mag.

I have 2 thermold FAL mags and I would have to save they are the ugly cousin not the other way around.

Anyway I am ready to order some of the DSA mags!

aardq
February 08, 2009, 20:24
Hi John, How about marketing the previous mentioned 5 packs, and the discount would be free shipping on 10 mags. The idea of limits on the initial distributions also sounds good. 10 should get most of us going, with no more than 20 until things calm down.

Let's face it, most of your mag sales will be generated from the members on this site, so we should get an advance notice of the offering date, and even allowed to place advance orders.

Dan

K.O.A.M.
February 09, 2009, 17:01
The PMag is not FAL-cool. Metal mags are FAL-cool.

And Thermolds are just abominations created for parts counts.

I'm really looking forward to the DSA mags. Count me in for 10.

moses
February 09, 2009, 18:01
Sorry have to strongly disagree! Pmags would be ultra cool for the FAL!

W.E.G.
February 09, 2009, 19:23
You guys should work out a deal where you sell a five-pack of the new mags, with a fitted bandoleer from Michigan Tactical.

http://www.michigantacticalsupply.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=248022&highlight=Michigan

http://www.michigantacticalsupply.com/store/images/308black1.jpg

DSARep
February 10, 2009, 12:51
Nice rig! I will pass that along to the boss.

No updates yet on the mags, but I will keep you all posted.

Thanks!

John

John W in SC
February 10, 2009, 19:32
Originally posted by W.E.G.
You guys should work out a deal where you sell a five-pack of the new mags, with a fitted bandoleer from Michigan Tactical.

http://www.michigantacticalsupply.com/store/images/308black1.jpg[/img]

I've got his bandoleers in both 5.56 and 7.62 x .51. They are great! Well made, and work just as advertised. I like the idea of a package deal with five mags.

John W in SC

millerphys
February 11, 2009, 13:45
Let's start a NEW MAGS COMING countdown. Mr DSA man, if you would, please give us a start clock ! ! !:love:

dakdak
February 11, 2009, 22:38
Thanks for doing the right thing on new mag production and the pricing.

Anybody who moans and whines about a new, steel, 20 round, .30 caliber magazine made completely in the USA and selling for 15.00 USD is living in a fantasy world.

I can't buy new Glock 9mm mags now for 15.00 USD.
And, what about those SIG pistol mags from SIG for 40.00 ?
MEGCAR mags are not much lower in price either.
By the way, did anybody price out some Wilson mags for the old 1911A1 lately ?

As long as DSA keeps these new magazines at reasonable prices such as these, I for one will certainly buy as many as I can afford. I will buy 15 or 20 of the 20 round as soon as they are available.

DSARep
February 12, 2009, 08:53
I will be glad to post a countdown when I get some info on a release date. Sounds like fun to me! I am down for 15-20 myself. I have a pile of mags, but why not add some new ones? Who knows what the future may bring us.

Thanks!

John

msnyder
February 12, 2009, 16:56
I wonder how hard these would be to convert to inch?
I've got inch mags that were converted to metric for the CAI thumbholes.
With US inch parts being so pricey, I bet they would sell very well.

mistersunday
February 18, 2009, 18:35
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Fixin to get an OSW (and a suppressor for it), Still up in the air over the difference between 11" and 13", guess what I'm gonna need to go with it.
thirtyroundersthirtyroundersthirtyroundersthirtyro understhirtyroundersthirtyroundersthirtyroundersth irtyrounders.

DSARep
February 24, 2009, 10:19
For those of you that asked, the word is we will offer the magazines in different colors later in the year. This will be a nice option for those of you who buy our OD green and dark earth furniture when it hits the market.

:cool:

John

mistersunday
February 24, 2009, 12:28
Now if we can just get someone to make a c-mag for the FAL.

DSARep
February 25, 2009, 08:50
They keep saying one will come out at some point. The .308 Betas sure are big though.

http://www.betaco.com/img/m1am14.jpg

I would think the shooter would want to pretty much stay put while using that.

:D

John

mistersunday
February 26, 2009, 00:28
Holy cow! I just went to the Beta site cause W.E.G. Just asked what a c-mag was, and seen the new c-mag for the M-14/ M1A! Do you think it would be possible to just fit a FAL 20-round mag body in it and use it as a FAL c-mag?!?!? I thought the picture you posted was a photoshop or something. I'm gettin that thrillin' feelin runnin' up my leg!!! That would fit beautifully on my SA58B21CM. And I think it would work magnificantly on the OSW I plan on getting.

DSARep
February 26, 2009, 08:52
I am not sure the feed angle would be right. This has been an issue when AR makers have tried to use FAL mags, and vice-versa when FAL makers have tried to use AR mags for a .223 FAL.

John

mistersunday
February 26, 2009, 09:56
Yes, but this is a c-mag made for 7.62x51. And the feed clip assembly that comes on it is for an M1A/ M14. So in theory, Take the floorplate, spring, and follower out of the FAL mag, cut to appropriate length, weld flat plate on the bottom with tabs and holes to attach to the drum housing and BOOMx100.

holidaze
February 26, 2009, 20:15
by the time DSA actually sells these new mags they are going to be illegal

DSAFAL
February 26, 2009, 22:05
Originally posted by holidaze
by the time DSA actually sells these new mags they are going to be illegal


Well, after seeing The Attorney General speak today, saying that they want to renew the "Assault Weapon Ban" because it will make Mexico a safer place (give me a ###### Break, like OUR Second Amendment says that we can change it if it's Convenient for another country :mad: ) I wouldn't doubt it. These pigs are moving faster that anyone would anticipated, they know the economy is going to get worse and they don't want US, the people, having the "tools" to protect our rights.

Please DSA, Hurry with the delivery of the mags, and people, we have to stay strong and defend our rights against whoever tries to take them away from us.

jbrooks
March 02, 2009, 08:42
John,

Will the new mags have different length springs for the 3 different mag lengths? One of the problems with the CMI M14 25-rounders is they use the same spring as in the 20-rounders, so often do not have the specified force on the follower.

Thanks,

JWB

DSARep
March 02, 2009, 08:51
The spring tension on the 30s has been a major factor in our revision of the design. Testing revealed that they needed a different shape and weight to hold up under a constant load. Even going to heavier bullets made a difference. 30 rounds adds up to quite a bit of lead. So the springs for the 30s were specifically made for that purpose.

Thank you!

John

jbrooks
March 02, 2009, 10:27
Thanks, John!

Just to clarify, are the springs for the 25 round mags the same as the 20 rounders, or are they different?

JWB

Clonehead
March 05, 2009, 20:23
There is a magazine pre-order thread over in the DSA industry section on AR15.com... FYI.

DSAFAL
March 05, 2009, 20:50
Originally posted by Clonehead
There is a magazine pre-order thread over in the DSA industry section on AR15.com... FYI.


Where???

Clonehead
March 05, 2009, 21:49
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=319&t=170592

DSARep
March 06, 2009, 08:41
Just call to pre-order. It is open to members of both forums.

(847) 277-7258

Please leave a few for me.

:D

John

platinumdude
March 13, 2009, 19:46
Ordered today, hopefully I'm not to far down the list. I put in for 5 of the 20 rounders and 2 of the 30 rounders.

DSAFAL
March 13, 2009, 22:55
Originally posted by DSARep
Just call to pre-order. It is open to members of both forums.

(847) 277-7258

Please leave a few for me.

:D

John


Hi John, any update on the status of the Mags?? Thanks!!!

DSARep
March 20, 2009, 07:39
The only new info I have right now is that the 25s will be done last, sometime in June.

John

JAVIER
March 20, 2009, 20:45
I bet that that notch is to fit the dpms 308 rifles or the armalites???? :fal:

nwobhm
March 21, 2009, 12:51
Originally posted by DSARep
The only new info I have right now is that the 25s will be done last, sometime in June.

John

Why the change? Originally the 20's were to be last.

DSAFAL
March 21, 2009, 19:14
Originally posted by DSARep
The only new info I have right now is that the 25s will be done last, sometime in June.

John


Yes John, Why the change??, when I called and ordered the lady told me by April, what happened?? :confused:

littlehoot
March 23, 2009, 01:26
i would bet that the 20's were to be last because it was assumed they would still have the surplus ones in stock til then. the current rate of sale changed that and i would assume that 20 being the normal size, they are now to be produced first

tracyballard
June 12, 2009, 17:01
June bump :smile:

101ABN327
June 13, 2009, 07:55
Originally posted by DSARep
More pictures of the 30 rounders!

http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=6106

These shots show the followers and base plates.

John

These look like they are designed for the SCAR/H. There is also a FAL locking "beek" on the fron of the mag. FNH SCAR/H mags lack this "beek". Will it work in a FAL and SCAR/H both without modification?

101

feersum dreadnaught
June 16, 2009, 09:40
I called today re another order, and was told they are finishing the 25-rounders, and they should ship the first week of July...


we'll see - either way, I still need the lower metric receiver with US parts, which may ship end of July.

MakNorinco
August 01, 2009, 09:27
Today is August 1st.


Whats the word on these mags?

:biggrin:

DSARep
August 03, 2009, 07:58
I asked for an update and will let you all know what I find out.

John

DSARep
August 05, 2009, 07:50
I should have some demo mags very soon and will post a review!

John

Psychomonkey
August 05, 2009, 22:50
I have a feeling it will be September.

jimmbob
August 08, 2009, 19:43
tick tock, tick tock----yawn:rolleyes: :confused: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: