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October 22, 2008, 07:14
After looking at full size uzi pistols , them seem to be the same thing as a sbr barrel length uzi minus the buttstock.
I have always loved the look of an uzi with a short barrel and the stock folded, would adding a welded closed buttstock that could never be opened be legal ?
In the case of the uzi pistol it wouldnt even add much if any to the overall length.
Now , IF , that IS legal , looking at AR type pistols that have the recoil tube , would a CAR stock welded in the closed position be legal too ?
October 22, 2008, 08:54
Interesting question and certainly NOT something I am real familiar with,
I would imagine somebody, somewhere, sometime, has asked the BATFE for a ruling on this. I don't remember ever seeing it though.
Neither one, especially the short, but still very functional, CAR stock seems to me like they would have been allowed.
An MP-40 or AK type stock folding FORWARD, and permanently locked there, might have a better chance of approval.
October 22, 2008, 11:54
a CAR stock locked in the collapsed position still has the function of a stock. an uzi stock in the folded position does not. the difference is in whether the assembly could be reasonably assumed to be intended to be fired from the shoulder.
military gun supply offers a pistol version of the PPS43 design that has a stock welded in the forward position. the question of the details of connection in this case remain unanswered. does the stock still have a functional folding parts mechanism installed, or is the stock just the pieces seen on the exterior welded to a new receiver body? does this have any bearing on whether the stock is considered a "stock" or not? if the order of asembly is "right", probably not.
it would seem that any forward folding stock attached to a receiver and welded shut to said receiver before a pistol length barrel is added is a cosmetic item, only. it never had any function in the "pistol" application.
October 22, 2008, 12:23
Short Barreled Rifle - I have an Olympic Arms OA93 - 5.56 AR Pistol. It breaks down just like an AR (uses an AR receiver) and I suspect I could fit it on my AR15 lower. If I did this I would have an unregistered Short Barreled Rifle - a violation of federal and (in Michigan) state law. Another quirk of Michigan Law is I can't put a side folding stock (like a Tapco) on a WASR 5.45x39 because doing so would make it shorter then 30" (when folded) and in Michigan it becomes a pistol - and I would have to register it as a pistol before the conversion.
October 23, 2008, 12:16
Militarygunsupply sells ppsh style pistols with a permanently closed stock.
Due to the nature of the stock, it cannot be used as a brace- like an AK underfolder.
My guess is that the uzi would fall under the same thing. I am not a lawyer but I've played one in a video game (Phoenix Wright)
An ar with a fully collapsed stock on the other hand (or an HK 91) can still be readily used as one.
Food for thought-
An ar pistol's buffer tube can be braced against the shoulder, yet this is OK.
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