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Perched Eagle
October 10, 2008, 16:46
Though I thought that the federal government was not supposed to be keeping a registry of firearms purchased, it is apparent that to some extent they do (given a co-worker's father's experience some years ago he shared again today with some of us in the office). Not that I have anything to hide, I still don't like them having such a log as it intimates that they [continue to] believe they have a stake in what I keep or don't....

Now, post Heller, given different sorts of logistics (voter turnout, outcries, confiscation demands, etc.), the Katrina situation etc., what is the likelihood of a new awb that will either serve to confiscate, or make certain items non-transferable (like to posterity) and/or contraband? Or would such an effort, if intentional, be focused more on ammo, mags., etc.?

So, should I trade in what I have for a bunch of lever actions or keep what is around and relax? Of course, stocking up on ammo and mags. I have thought and heard would be wise...or is too hard to tell/suggest the best course of action to keep stuff around for hunting, plinking, self defense, hd?

Thanks and sorry for the run-ons...typing fast,

P.E.

Deltaten
October 10, 2008, 17:30
P.E.

Just my opinion and considered input...

Keep what ya have. Stock/buy enuff ammo for yer expected lifetime shooting needs. Salt some of both away for posterity. Enjoy the feelings ya get when gazing fondly on yer stash.

Push comes to shove, it's an investment in the future; whatever that ends up being!

HTH,
Paul
grubby hoarder of inconsequential bits of stuff

1911guy
October 12, 2008, 08:46
I read somewhere that the best course of action would be not to get rid of any guns owned, you can never replace them for what they cost. This same source also said to make all purchases with cash, avoid home deliveries and credit cards, buy from private parties as opposed to 4473 bound dealers. I don't know, just passing on what I have read.
Personally I think that any piece of paperwork the government has obtained will never be trashed (unless the party in power needs to shred evidence) so act accordingly. This is why I don't have a CCW.
I thought, during the events preceeding the Heller decision, that SCOTUS would affirm for the individual but leave the door open for controls. This is exactly what they have done. Since the politicains cannot lawfully (they may do it and wait for someone to sue) ban guns they can place so many restrictions on them as to make owning them untenable. Things such as large fee licenses per gun renewable every year, mandatory inspection of stored areas, reloading restrictions, ammo tax, magazine bans etc. may become the norm but the gov will then state "But we are not prohibiting possession as long as you comply with the reasonable rules for public safety". I would not be surprised to see this if Obama gets in.
A SCOTUS case on what constitutes "infringed" may not come around for decades even if the court grants cert.
My $.02 worth

cotter
October 12, 2008, 21:36
Originally posted by Perched Eagle
So, should I trade in what I have for a bunch of lever actions or keep what is around and relax? Of course, stocking up on ammo and mags. I have thought and heard would be wise...or is too hard to tell/suggest the best course of action to keep stuff around for hunting, plinking, self defense, hd?

Thanks and sorry for the run-ons...typing fast,

P.E.
Just like your investments diversify. Don't have just one type of weapon. I like the lever/revolver in the same caliber. They make it easier to find the brass to reload as well (a Lee loader fits in your pocket). Look at the calibers that the military and police use, those are good ones to have because there will always be ammo made in those calibers (even if we can not legally buy it we can get it :wink: ). All credit card charges are subject to federal inspection now, thank you Patriot Act (actually since then I believe) but that has not stopped me from using it, they know enough about me already. As far as the 4473's etc, same deal they already know enough that they wil be here if something goes on, if they know about 1 they might as well know about 100. True having some unknown ones in hiding for future use is a nice thought, along with some ammo.
Chad
Don't forget they can trace you from this system, nothing is out of their reach anymore.

WolfamongSheep
October 14, 2008, 07:24
Eagle,

+1 to what 1911Guy said about Obama. We've already had an AWB that was taken to the 'nth-degree under Klinton's reign. With loons like Pelosi and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and their ilk imposing their socialist agendas on all of us, you can bet your ass that another AWB is right around the corner if/when O's'ama gets into office.

I highly recommend you obtain a copy of "Boston's Gun Bible" and read it several times. I know I'm not the only one on the FAL files who is familiar with this book and I'm sure many others would agree that it is an EXCELLENT source of information about how to amass and handle your firearms collection. It also details how to vary your collection between battle rifles (a FAL of course!), pistols, lever-guns, and others. Commonality of ammunition is a common theme, hence my decision to go with a .308 chambered Winchester that feeds from a magazine, as opposed to the standard pistol-caliber guns that feed from a tubular magazine. I like being able to use the same ammo in my battle rifles, lever-action and a few hunting rifles.

Likewise, the book goes into great depth on some of the comments that 1911Guy made about purchasing from non-FFL folks, such as private parties and never using credit cards.

Granted, I think we'd all prefer to keep our transactions off the radar, and I do my best to avoid using electronic means to fund my arsenal, but sometimes in order to get what you need, you have to use plastic. I know it's risky and somewhere there is a file with all of my gun and ammo purchases on it, but I figure when the day comes that confiscation begins, at least I'll have what I need to make a decsent stand against the jack-booted thugs when they come knocking.


Good luck.

WaS
:fal: :fal:

keiser
October 14, 2008, 13:38
To pass a law that made an existing gun illegal to the owner who bought it legally is clearly unconstitutional. An Ex Post Facto law is a statute that makes an act punishable as a crime when such an act was not an offense when committed. Article I, section 10, clause 1 of the Constitution provides that no state shall pass any ex post facto law; Article I, section 9, clause 3 imposes the same prohibition upon the federal government. Therefore, if you owned a gun you bought legally, it cannot be made illegal with the stroke of a pen. The government can prohibit those guns from being sold henceforth but not banned completely.

On the other hand, the last 2 administrations in DC used the Constitution for toilet paper at the white house, so take it for what it's worth.

Perched Eagle
October 15, 2008, 10:21
Thank you very much for your replies for far gentlemen, much appreciated.