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tuck0411
October 08, 2008, 14:32
Supposedly, most of these weapons are rusted beyond use or repair, from other stuff I've read. Seems like NRA should have been sueing for replacement value rather than just to have them returned.

NRA to settle suit over Katrina gun seizures
City officials to return hundreds of weapons confiscated during hurricane

NEW ORLEANS - City officials have agreed to return hundreds of firearms that police officers confiscated in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, part of a deal to resolve a lawsuit filed by gun lobbying groups.

The settlement agreement filed Tuesday in federal court calls for the National Rifle Association and Second Amendment Foundation to drop their case if the city follows a plan for returning guns to owners who had them seized by police after the Aug. 29, 2005, hurricane.

Both sides also are asking U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier to sign off on the pact and issue a permanent injunction barring the city from seizing lawfully possessed firearms. Barbier didn't immediately rule on the agreement, which doesn't involve a monetary award.

Police department spokesman Bob Young said it has stored 552 guns that were confiscated after Katrina, through Dec. 31, 2005. Police have said they only took guns that were stolen or found in abandoned homes.

The agreement calls for the city to post a notice on its Web site that explains how gun owners can claim their firearms.

Gun owners must sign an affidavit claiming ownership of a gun but don't need to present written proof, such as a sales receipt or serial number. A background check also is required to certify that someone claiming a gun can legally possess a firearm.

The city won't be liable if a dispute arises over the ownership of a returned gun. Authorities can dispose of any guns that go unclaimed after two years.

"This is all we've wanted all along: a practical return program," said NRA lawyer Stephen Halbrook, who estimated that the department should have 1,200 guns available for owners to claim.

"I think it satisfies all our concerns," said Dave Workman, a spokesman for the Bellevue, Wash.-based Second Amendment Foundation. "The city for way too long has been dragging its feet on this. We're glad it's over and we can move on to other issues."

Getting the word out
Young said the department "will do everything possible to notify people that their guns are available for pickup."

In April 2006, police made about 700 firearms available for owners to claim if they could present a bill of sale or an affidavit with the weapon's serial number. Halbrook, however, said few people could present proof of ownership after Katrina, which flooded 80 percent of the city.

Mayor Ray Nagin and Police Superintendent Warren Riley were defendants in the case, which was scheduled to be tried next month.

In their lawsuit, the gun lobbying groups accused the city of violating gun owners' constitutional right to bear arms and leaving them "at the mercy of roving gangs, home invaders, and other criminals" after Katrina.

In response, the city argued that federal law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs' claims against city officials "because the right to keep and bear arms has never been recognized as a fundamental individual right."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27087738/

renaissance_warrior
October 08, 2008, 15:25
Well it's a right now, hosebag. The city sure didn't exercise 'due care' in the storage, I've seen some of the photos. Rusted hierlooms. :mad:

StoneyCreekMrMauser
October 08, 2008, 15:36
"has never been recognized as a fundamental right?" Where's this dipshit been since Heller?

fastfreddy
October 08, 2008, 20:34
I hope that little old lady who got beat up by those seizing her revolver pistol whips the jack-asses when she gets it back.

JasonB
October 09, 2008, 06:04
Originally posted by StoneyCreekMrMauser
"has never been recognized as a fundamental right?" Where's this dipshit been since Heller?


he has probably been paying attention to the fact Dick Heller still has a bar of soap in a sock propped up behind the door for home defense.

John Culver
October 10, 2008, 01:25
It should be noted that the Second Amendment Foundation started this lawsuit and the NRA joined them. The article gives no credit to the SAF, when in fact they did alot.

JasonB
October 10, 2008, 05:10
NEWS RELEASE
SAF SETTLES NEW ORLEANS LAWSUIT
BELLEVUE, WA – The Second Amendment Foundation has reached an agreement with the City of New Orleans in a 2005 federal lawsuit that stopped the city from seizing firearms in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

The landmark lawsuit, a joint effort by SAF and the National Rifle Association, was filed in September 2005 after police and National Guardsmen began confiscating firearms without warrant or probable cause from citizens who were not suspected of committing any crimes. Under terms of the settlement, which now awaits a judge’s signature, the city must try to return all firearms that were seized. Gun owners will be notified by mail within 30 days of the court’s approval that they can retrieve their guns.

“While we are delighted that this case is now settled,” said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb, “it should never have been necessary. When a disaster strikes, no government entity or official should arbitrarily decide that citizens must be disarmed and left defenseless, and that is what happened in New Orleans. These gun seizures were conducted without legal authority, under color of law and often at gunpoint, and that must never be allowed to happen again anywhere on American soil.

“What happened in the days after Hurricane Katrina was an outrage,” he continued. “We hope this permanent injunction sends a signal to mayors and police chiefs everywhere that we live in a nation of laws, and those laws are not subject to their whims. You do not suspend Constitutional rights just because of a storm or earthquake or some other natural or man-made disaster.

“We are proud to have partnered with the NRA on this effort,” Gottlieb stated. “This is not simply a victory for SAF or NRA members in New Orleans, but for all American gun owners. Despite indifference and obstruction by the city, perseverance has prevailed.”

tuck0411
October 10, 2008, 11:37
I still have to think, in spite of NRA's and SAF's glee in winning, this is nothing more than window-dressing as long as it doesn't include monetary compensation for all the ruined guns. If one of my guns were involved, I think I'd be outraged that NO is getting off the hook like this.

Para Driver
October 10, 2008, 12:08
scream victory and wave the flag..

JasonB
October 10, 2008, 13:06
Originally posted by tuck0411
I still have to think, in spite of NRA's and SAF's glee in winning, this is nothing more than window-dressing as long as it doesn't include monetary compensation for all the ruined guns. If one of my guns were involved, I think I'd be outraged that NO is getting off the hook like this.


Also, the Disaster Recovery Protection Act has no criminal penalty if/when future confiscations occur, nor does it have any self defense provisions in it when the perps are in the act.

WolfamongSheep
October 14, 2008, 06:59
most people aren't aware of this, but the FEDs contracted out Blackwater Group to patrol the streets following Katrina, due to the lack of reliable police forces. So, in essence, you had a deputized mercenary Army, free from constraints of the Geneva Convention, UCMJ, or any adult supervision taking weapons from legally "authorized" citizens in a time of national disaster.

WaS
:fal:

tuck0411
October 14, 2008, 12:00
Is it documented that Blackwater was doing that? I had heard that it was mostly out-of-state cops. For example, I think the officer who wrassled the old lady to the ground in the video was a California Highway Patrol guy.

WolfamongSheep
October 14, 2008, 12:11
I'm not sure what sort of documentation you'd consider valid. Blackwater isn't exactly likely to be the sort fo organization that would make that sort of information public. Likewise, they have a number of standing contracts with the Feds already in place.

I'm pretty sure that I read about it in Ron Paul's book, "Revolution", and I've caught snipets of it here and there.

My best and most trust-worthy verification is from buddies who were with the 82nd Airborne Division at the time, who were sent down there to assist in the rescue effort. A few say that they ran into dozens of Blackwater teams operating in the city and were pretty much doing whatever they wanted, without any regard for real Army units' activites.

Supposedly, they were operating under the ospices of FEMA, but we all know how that goes......

WaS
:fal:

tuck0411
October 14, 2008, 14:12
Originally posted by WolfamongSheep

My best and most trust-worthy verification is from buddies who were with the 82nd Airborne Division at the time, who were sent down there to assist in the rescue effort. A few say that they ran into dozens of Blackwater teams operating in the city and were pretty much doing whatever they wanted, without any regard for real Army units' activites.


I'm just wondering if there's any eye-witness accounts of Blackwater actually confiscating weapons. I can see them patrolling the streets, and that's the kind of thing a security force should do, but it's a pretty big leap from there to having them proactively invade homes looking for weapons. Not that I'd doubt that they'd do that if ordered to, of course, but this would be a new wrinkle in the N.O. confiscations, if true.

Found a couple links via Google, but they don't specifically mention confiscations:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Blackwater_mercenaries_used_in_New_Orleans
http://briarpatchmagazine.com/2008/01/18/review-of-blackwater-and-the-shock-doctrine/