retired cop with "legal?" gun exchanges lead with would-be robber

[W.E.G.]

While the DC City Council keeps trying to prevent the good people of Washington DC from owning guns, this happens.

Page B2 of today's Washington Post.

He mighta ended up dead if he didn't have a gun.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/trivia/robber.jpg

[Survey Punk]

Hey Gary,
Guess who'll get prosecuted. :mad:
Or are retired LEOs in DC "different" from the average Joe?

JB

[W.E.G.]

HR 218 exempts current and retired LEO's from any laws regarding "unlawful possession" of a firearm.


Originally posted by Survey Punk
Hey Gary,
Guess who'll get prosecuted. :mad:
Or are retired LEOs in DC "different" from the average Joe?

JB

[John Culver]

Originally posted by W.E.G.
HR 218 exempts current and retired LEO's from any laws regarding "unlawful possession" of a firearm.





Prsumably because they are better then us.

[justashooter]

it was prolly a machinegun.

[Azrial]

Originally posted by John Culver
Prsumably because they are better then us.
Just some. :wink:

[EOD]

Actually in Florida, per our rules under HR-218 retired cops have to qualify under state standards annually, active cops have to qualify every two years, although departments requirements are more stringent. I qualify cops under HR-218, and I have CCW classes. BY and large, the retired cops shoot better than most CCW holders. The cops had to have retired in good standing with their respective dept. and have to qualify annually...minimal as the course actually is.

Not "presuming they're better than us," which I find a silly statement, but certainly more experienced. I'd much rather have a a 20 year retired veteran cop in a situation than a gunshow one- shot wonder, as they're called here in Florida. Many CCW'ers are "Gun guys or gals" that shoot often, but by a vast majority most are not. Typically...buy a gun, not usually a the right gun, buy a box of ammo, take a gunshow class, fire ONE round, sometimes without a target, and that's it...No real qualification, no real instruction, no reality based scenario training, just now I got a gun. So I guess...presumbably they are better.

[W.E.G.]

EOD, I see where you are coming from, but I think you may dig yourself into a hole on this issue with this audience.

Remember too, in DC, even a retired USMC Master Gunnery Sergeant is is S.O.L. by DC's rules.

[molonlabe texan]

Originally posted by EOD

Not "presuming they're better than us," which I find a silly statement, but certainly more experienced. I'd much rather have a a 20 year retired veteran cop in a situation than a gunshow one- shot wonder, as they're called here in Florida. Many CCW'ers are "Gun guys or gals" that shoot often, but by a vast majority most are not. Typically...buy a gun, not usually a the right gun, buy a box of ammo, take a gunshow class, fire ONE round, sometimes without a target, and that's it...No real qualification, no real instruction, no reality based scenario training, just now I got a gun. So I guess...presumbably they are better.

I would pose there are just as many cops which qual once a year and park their selves in a squad car or desk for their career without ever drawing their weapon. I wouldn't want that guy backing me up.

I would also bet you a brand new weapon of your choice just as many CCWs are prior military or otherwise have extensive weapons handling experience as LEOs but noone who can demonstrate active weapons training or handling is granted such a license by the "king" LEOs get a special pass.

Also, If I hear of one more LEO story where they pumped 50 some odd rounds into an unarmed assailant or other threat demonstrating dramatic overkill, I may just have to not agree with anything you just typed.

Saying a LEO is more experienced than a CCW is not accurate at all unless you're discussing filling out paperwork for crimes and incidents.

[EOD]

W.E.G. - Yeah I know, but I won't play along. It is, what it is. Unless it's in D'C. then it be...never mind :cool:

[John Culver]

I've met very few cops that I would want with me in a shooting situation.

Or would want in my neighborhood in a shooting situation.


I think they would do better if they had shoot house stressed shooting training every 3 months.

[BUFF]

It isn't just a matter of gunfighting experience, it is experience in managing conflict. It is decision making under stress experience.

I'm not saying that all cops would be better in a gunfight. I am saying that most retired cops have done "conflict resolution" for 20 years or more. They are experienced at "being in the shit." If they weren't any good at it, they generally wouldn't get to retirement still wearing the badge.

HR-218 has the effect of putting thousands of armed, trained, experienced good guys on the street at no cost to the taxpayer.

It amazes me when so many say, "Well, if I can't, then nobody should be able to."

Most of us cops support armed citizens. Most of us who have thought much about it see HR-218 as a "foot in the door" to nationwide CCW for all law abiding citizens.

So quit yer petty whining, and get organized and lobby and help get pro-CCW people elected.

The same people that don't want you to CCW hate seeing retired cops carry, too.

John, you just hate cops.

[Azrial]

Originally posted by John Culver
I've met very few cops that I would want with me in a shooting situation.
Or would want in my neighborhood in a shooting situation.
Really? How many "shooting situations" have you gotten into this year? Last ten years? How about armed hostile encounters?

I thought so.
I think they would do better if they had shoot house stressed shooting training every 3 months.
No doubt! If you as a citizen will pay for it, I am sure that they will go. I have went to hundreds of hours of this type of stuff, some I even paid for myself.
Originally posted by W.E.G.
EOD, I see where you are coming from, but I think you may dig yourself into a hole on this issue with this audience.
Their perception of their fitness in comparison to a officer who deals with many encounters in his career is a matter of vanity. I agree with EOD.

Me? I live in a hole, I could care less. :rofl:

[moses]

I think everyone should be treated the same, but since that isn't the case I want as many off duty LEO's carrying as possible.

As far as most cops not ever shooting except when they have to qualify and most not being good shot's or "gun people", the fact is most cops have never had to fire their weapon in a real fire fight.

I did just see a video of a shoot out where the bad guy was in a SUV and when he ran off the road and got the SUV stuck he decided to fire at the cop coming up to the side of the SUV, he picked the wrong cop because the cop was moving and returning very accurate fire the entire time he was moving, while the bad guy was stuck in the front seat not able to move and the cop placed what looked like 3 or 4 40's in the dudes head!
This cop looked like he had been there done that, probably ex military but I was very impressed with how well he handled himself under fire.

[molonlabe texan]

Originally posted by John Culver
I've met very few cops that I would want with me in a shooting situation.

Or would want in my neighborhood in a shooting situation.


I think they would do better if they had shoot house stressed shooting training every 3 months.

I have a couple of good friends both swat types, both former marine and US Marshal, DEA.

Those guys are good guys.. I would want them on my back anytime..

Johnny been to college got a CJ degree and couldn't do anything else in life is another story.

[K.O.A.M.]

I teach CCW and do retired LEO qualifications. A lot of the CCW stuff is scary. I oppose a proficiency test on constitutional grounds, but practically if some of these jokers start firing rounds, I'd prefer to be their target because I know I wouldn't get hit.

Most of the retired guys are okay, but some of them are hanging on a little long. It's always a hoot to see what they bring out to qualify with. Florida recently modified the LE qualification course (took out the 25 yard shots) to make it easier.

[EOD]

I get a lot of NYPD retirees, and I see a lot of old colt 2" revolvers. All have shot pretty damn good. Cool group of guys too.