CZ 452

[MrL1A1]

Sure looks nice....anyone here own or shoot one before?

[Steggo]

Excellent rifles.

I got one 10 years ago before they became really popular.

It's my "go-to" 22 sporter.

Hands down the best bolt action 22 Sporter in its price range.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone saying bad things about them.

Check out rimfirecentral.com

[pjpjr]

Originally posted by MrL1A1
Sure looks nice....anyone here own or shoot one before?
I bought the 452 Varmint several years ago and I will tell you this.....you won't find a better deal on a rifle anywhere. I will venture out on this on and say it is as accurate as rifles costing 3-5 times what I paid:D I regularly shoot against the Kimber, Anshutz as well as the Cooper and my rifle is right there with them in all aspects......Why would I spend $1100 for an Anshutz or Cooper when I can out shoot them with my CZ?
I love it and this particular rifle cost me $250 OTD at a Gander Mtn.
Get one before they are really "discovered" and price goes up!!

[Andy the Aussie]

I have a Brno Mod 2 I got in 1983 and can find NO fault with, it still shoots better than me....!!! You wont be sorry...!!! My best mate has the 452 and he is more than happy with it as well. The folks at CZ do know how to make a nice rifle...!!!

[MrL1A1]

CZ 452's are going just above 400 clams in my neck of the woods. Sounds like they are worth every penny.

[MtnWulf]

A few years back I found a 452 Scout in a junk shop for $100. It looked like new. It outshoots any other .22 I've had and has an excellent trigger.

I wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

[EBRfan]

I have one. An absolutely great rifle. Well made and accurate.

[70 SS 454]

i have a cz 452 with 24 x browning scope
it shoots with my sako qaud (16x nikon) and kimber (with the same scope as the cz)

we shoot .308 brass at 100 yards and zing holes right thru them

i would post a photo but dont know how!

[PigIron]

You do not want a CZ 452. Trust me....





























Because you'll be hard pressed not to buy any more in the CZ 452 series.

[alFALfa]

I started with a 452 Lux.... later got an American and lately a Scout for the young'un. Yeah I kinda like them.

[Temp]

I've got a 452 Lux with a low priced, but very decent Simmons 3-9X32 scope and it's boringly accurate with about anything one cares to shoot through it.

It's the .22 rifle I wish I'd ownd when I was a kid.

[Andy the Aussie]

Originally posted by Temp
It's the .22 rifle I wish I'd ownd when I was a kid. ....a CZ IS the rimfire I owned (still have the same one) when I was a kid... ;) ;)

[PigIron]

Originally posted by Andy the Aussie
....a CZ IS the rimfire I owned (still have the same one) when I was a kid... ;) ;)

Except way back then, wasn't it a BRNO?:tongue:

[Temp]

Here's a hot tip since the topic is CZ 452's.

Beeman makes an excellent set of rings to fit an 11mm dovetail such as is found of a CZ .22. They cost less than the CZ rings and mount the scope lower. With the rear sight adjusted all the way down, the Beeman rings will mount a scope with a 32mm objective lense about 1/16" above the sight,..about as perfect as you can get.

Here they are for under 40 bucks. As you can see, they're a very sturdy item.

http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-a-1934.html

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h225/FalMike/rings2.jpg

[Andy the Aussie]

Originally posted by PigIron


Except way back then, wasn't it a BRNO?:tongue: ....yep....Brno Mod 2 in fact. Also had a 53 made Model 1 ... ;)

[Temp]

Here's my Lux with the Beeman rings mounting the 3-9X32 Simmons scope. It's a slick little package and an absolute death ray to any offending critters that get's within 75 yards of it.

I really like the european "hogback" style stock with the schnable tip. The little Simmons scope also has a european style profile to it, works well, and can be had for a song. I really enjoy it.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h225/FalMike/MVC-033S.jpg

[Andy the Aussie]

Temp....out here that IS a Brno Model 2 ..... ;) ;):bigangel:

I have a Leupold 4x rimfire in Millet rings on mine.... ;) I would not imagine being without it...:eek: :eek: I could not even estimate how many rounds it has fired now...:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Temp]

Originally posted by Andy the Aussie
Temp....out here that IS a Brno Model 2 ..... ;) ;):bigangel:

Okay,... but I don't believe that BRNO was imported into the U.S. either until the wall fell. I could be mistaken on that.

[Andy the Aussie]

Nope.....we always had 'em here, along with the CZ75s that were such a novelty in the US for so long. There was never an embargo on eastern block products here.

[Carolina Slim]

I had an Anschutz Mod 64 target rifle when I was younger. Regretted selling it when I was in my 20's and stupid but I now own a CZ 452 Lux and I think it is just as accurate as the Anschutz and a lot handier.

I want the shorter barrel version with the Mannlicher stock in .17HMR.


I just plopped down a deposit on a CZ 550 Lux in .308 at the local Cabelas. It was a used one in their "gun library". $599.00 It's my first centerfire bolt gun and am looking forward to picking it up later this month and taking it to the range.

[Carolina Slim]

Originally posted by Temp


Okay,... but I don't believe that BRNO was imported into the U.S. either until the wall fell. I could be mistaken on that.

BRNO rifles were imported into the US in the 1930's before the Nazis invaded Czechslovakia. IIRC a lot of them were lightweight rifles in the varmint calibers of the time like .218 Bee and .22 Hornet.

Real collectors items now.

Those 1930's BRNOs are works of art.

[dfletcher]

The only thing more accurate than a CZ 452 in 22lr is a CZ 452 in 17 HMR.

I have one and of all the guns I own - Rem 700s, 40X and Wins and HS Precision and other CZ 550s. It's kind of embarrasing to have really great rifles all out shot by a dinky little production 17. But what the hell - I'll suffer.

[tubalcane]

On a good day my 452 will put 10 shots in 1.1" at 100 yds using Winchester T22
If I'm having a good day. It will shoot as well as I can shoot.
I also shoot a Model 1 and Model 2 as well as a 456. The 456 is really my favorite. It was made from the Model 4's and cut down to a sporter profile barrel.

[Blackmore]

Got this over Columbus Day weekend. 10 shots fired by the previous owner. I guess he didn't like the cheekweld from the European style stock. Box, manuals, bag, 5 round and 10 round magazine. $300.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/CZ_452_FS_L_Lo-Res.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/CZ_452_FS_R_Lo-Res.jpg

[Carolina Slim]

I really like the Mannlicher stocked CZ's, Blackmore. Sweet rifle. .22 or .17HMR?

[Blackmore]

Originally posted by Carolina Slim
I really like the Mannlicher stocked CZ's, Blackmore. Sweet rifle. .22 or .17HMR?

.22LR. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the endcap at the muzzle. It's made out of plastic. That's okay for the magazines, I suppose, but when the rest of the rifle is metal or wood...

At least on my Ruger Mannlichers that part is metal.

[Asmodeous]

This might be the world's ugliest CZ 452, but for $375 delivered to my NFA dealer I couldn't pass it up.

Kind of strange looking, but for the money too cheap to pass up; the scope and rings alone are probably worth ~ $100 ;) . Single tax gun; the can is permanently attached. It should be verwy, verwy, qwiet. ;)

I'll need to add a front sling swivel.

http://www.digitalperf.com/photo/albums/userpics/10001/CZ%2520Rifle%2520003%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.digitalperf.com/photo/albums/userpics/10001/CZ%2520Rifle%2520001%5B1%5D.jpg

[Blackmore]

Originally posted by Asmodeous
It should be verwy, verwy, qwiet. ;)


More people should consider suppressing bolt or lever action rifles. With them, no one hears the action until you decide to let them. My dealer sells used 96/22's within days of getting them for that very reason.

[Carolina Slim]

Originally posted by Blackmore


.22LR. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the endcap at the muzzle. It's made out of plastic. That's okay for the magazines, I suppose, but when the rest of the rifle is metal or wood...

At least on my Ruger Mannlichers that part is metal.

That's odd. I've seen some of the lightweight centerfire (527?) and full size centerfire Mannlicher stocked CZ's and to the best of my recollection those had a metal endcap.

[Carolina Slim]

Originally posted by Asmodeous
[B]This might be the world's ugliest CZ 452, but for $375 delivered to my NFA dealer I couldn't pass it up.

Kind of strange looking, but for the money too cheap to pass up; the scope and rings alone are probably worth ~ $100 ;) . Single tax gun; the can is permanently attached. It should be verwy, verwy, qwiet. ;)



Those wascawy wabbits will never known what hit them! :rofl:

[Blackmore]

Originally posted by Carolina Slim


That's odd. I've seen some of the lightweight centerfire (527?) and full size centerfire Mannlicher stocked CZ's and to the best of my recollection those had a metal endcap.

That is correct, they do. A poster on another board suggested I contact CZ-USA to see if one of those will fit my 452 and if I could get that part.

[mj2evans]

Ugly CZ???? That baby is a beauty queen!

[nightschneider]

I picked up a 452 Lux / Beech stock - superb gun in all respects...I will be buying more CZ's in the future.

[lowprone]

I found a LNIB 452 in beechwood stock this last weekend at gunshow in Cottonwood AZ, for $250.00. I spent a good part of yesterday setting sights. W/40gr solids I zeroed the rifle at
25yds and the darn things were dead on at 50, 75, and 100. Sights go out to 200, my small
bore range 100. Most fun I've had in a long time, and I spent less then $5.00.

[huntnfish]

I have two 452's one .22 and one .17M2 ,they are very well made and
accurate to boot.These will never go up for sale or trade,they are my
favorite rimfires.I own a Weatherby,Winchester,Marlin,and Ruger ,theyall pretty much set in the safe while i am out shooting these !

[StarPD]

Just bought my wife a new 452 American at Cabela's. Stock looks like walnut, but I'm not sure. CZ specs don't say. Anyone know? Looks like a very well made rifle for a .22. I bought it for its reputation, now I just hope it shoots as well as I excpected.

Also it came with no sights, so I put a cheap BSA red dot sight on it temporarily.
I'll get a decent scope for it later, but the dot will do for the ranges a .22 is effective at for now. On that subject, what is optimum zero for .22 Long Rifle high velocity ammo from this rifle? 25 yards, same as my own 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO?

[Blackmore]

Originally posted by StarPD
Just bought my wife a new 452 American at Cabela's. Stock looks like walnut, but I'm not sure. CZ specs don't say. Anyone know?

The description of the 452 American in my Jerry's catalog states, "...checkered walnut stock...".

The CZ website states in the 452 American description, "As with all CZ rifles the stock is Turkish walnut."

[StarPD]

Thanks for the info.

Since posting my question, I have had a bad turn of events with this rifle.
I went to do my usual "before shooting a new gun" cleaning. First clean dry patch came out rusty. Inspection of the bore from the rear revealed rough bore from the chamber to around 4" forward of it. Ran a few more patches through the bore with "Shooter's Choice" bore solvent, they still came out rusty. Used a bore brush for 10 strokes, then followed it with 3 consecutive dry patches. Still rusty. Cleaned the bore brush with brake cleaner, repeated the process. After 2 hours of repeating this procedure, I STILL got traces of rust on a clean dry patch.

This gun was NIB, purchased new from Cabela's, and appeared to have not been tampered with or touched after leaving the factory. There was no evidence of being even handled, and I watched the salesman open the box and unpack it to verify the serial number.

I just now e-mailed CZ's gunsmith explaining what happened and asking what he wanted me to do about it. No answer yet, but I can tell you that I'm not happy with having to send a brand new gun that hasn't even been fired yet back for warranty repairs, not to mention the hassle of shipping a gun nowadays, and the handling damage that usually occurs when a gun is repaired under warranty.

You guys that are happy with CZ are lucky. Despite the apparent excellent exterior appearance of the 452 American, my experience with them is NOT one I'd wish on a friend. I have no idea how a brand new rifle that's in excellent condition on the outside can make it out of the factory without the bore being cleaned and coated to resist corrosion. Not a speck of rust anywhere else on the rifle, but the bore looked like it had been fired with corrosive ammo, the bore wetted down, and packed up for shipping. I have NEVER in my whole life had anything like this happen to me, and I've bought a lot of new guns.

[bykerhd]

I've got the CZ AR conversion top-end.
I too had some rusty looking patches coming out of the barrel when I did my version of the new gun, "get acquainted" routine. Yet, I couldn't actually see anything out of the ordinary in the bore. I still don't.
It shoots like crazy now that I have some decent magazines.
Patches look fine now too.
Weird.
Maybe some sort of ex-Commie strange testing/break-in ?:rolleyes:

[StarPD]

Thanks for the reassurance. That makes me feel better.
The bore on my 452 LOOKS fine except for being rough for about 4" forward of the chamber. The rest seems good, for what I can see of it. I still haven't shot it yet, so that will tell the story.

Interesting example of how rough or pitted bores don't always mean anything:
My buddy Larry has an old Mk II S&W Model 39. It shot like a target pistol; 1" to 1-1/2" groups at 25 yards using lead handloads. When I first got my Outters "Foul -Out" electronic bore cleaner, we tried it out on his handguns. It worked fine, then we got to that Model 39. It pulled enough lead out of the bore to make a bullet! We looked at the bore and it looked like it was made of expanded metal it was so rough. So we took it out and fired it again, same results; 1" to 1-1/2" groups at 25 yards. The bore looked smooth as a revolutionary war musket though. We cleaned it using the "Foul-Out" again, and the rifling reappeared with the same rough surface. I never could figure out how that gun was so accurate, either with a smooth lead-lined bore or a rough clean one, it didn't matter.

Since, I've heard of and read about other guns that shot very well with lousy bores, so I guess I'll reserve judgement until after I've shot my wife's 452. I guess it doesn't matter how the bore was when I got it as long as it shoots well.

[StarPD]

Aha, Mike the gunsmith at CZ USA writes:
"The rust that you had such a hard time with is nothing more than the blue finish on the barrel. Since bluing is nothing more than a controled rusting process and we do not plug the bore when bluing the barrel/action, it means that the inside of the bore will be blued as well. While it is always a good idea to clean the bore before shooting, it would only require a breif cleaning with a patch, to insure no residual oil or other obstruction is not present. It is then safe to use. It should only take about 1/2 a box of ammo to remove the blue finish, now that you have removed most of it by hand. Your next cleaning will be much easier."
Interesting. That explains the rust.
I can't imagine why CZ doesn't plug their bores, but apparently not doing so doesn't compromise bore life or accuracy. They have a good rep for performance.

I am relieved for now, and will know more when I shoot it for break-in.

[ALL FAL]

Howdy George, did you fall in love with that rifle yet? Got an update for us? Thanks.:)

[StarPD]

No, actually haven't had much time with it. Went to the range with it, but it was too cold and windy. Originally put a cheap BSA red dot sight on it, and my wife loved the sight, but the integral mount didn't fit right and interfered with ejection. Took the sight back to Cabela's and got a Leupold 2-7 x 28 Rimfore scope, but then only rings I could find were cheap Tasco marked for .22 and airguns. Bought them, they don't fit right, so they're going back too. Ordered a pair of Leupold 13mm rings and am waiting for them. IF they fit right, I'll take the rifle with the scope and see how she does.

Right now, I've placed an order for a smokin' deal sale on an Anschutz 1717D "Classic" .17HMR rifle. Stock is sold out, but the distributor expects 2 or 3 more at the sale price. If that falls through, I may just sell the CZ and buy an Anschutz 1710D Monte Carlo .22 to replace it.

[StarPD]

Well, I bought the Anschutz 1710D KL Monte Carlo in .22LR, and it's on its way. UPS says it's in Indianapolis and will be delivered Thursday 1-15. I can't wait.

The Anschutz 1717D .17HMR I have on order is still about a week away from the distributor, so I won't see it for at least 2 more weeks, IF it actually comes in as expected. I think when it arrives, it will get a Burris 4.5-14 x 42AO "Timberline" scope in Leupold 11mm "Ringmounts".

The 1710D KL will stay with the factory iron sights for a while until I can scrape up enough pennies for a suitable QD RTZ arrangement for a scope. Buying all the guns I just did will put a real dent in my finances and stretch my credit cards not to the limit, but further than I usually like to go. Being a .22, I'm going against the advice of others and I think I'm putting a Leupold 3-9 x 33AO Rimfire scope on it. The .22LR only has a range of 100 yards, so I can't see the need for more magnification higher than 9X, and 33mm should let in all the light I need at that range. Holding a rifle with its scope cranked up even to 9X makes it hard to hold steady even on a rest, much less offhand. The AO will let me adjust parallax for whatever range at which I'll be shooting. So I think the Leupold 3-9 x 33AO Rimfire scope is more than enough for the 1710D KL.

[pawn]

I have a CZ 452 Varmint in 22lr with a Weaver V-16 scope. I am re-finishing a BRNO Model 1 (1952) and after that I will be working on a 468 ZKM (1950) garden gun. Sovereign Guns, a seller on gunbroker has a number of both BRNO models up for auction...

CZ's are great, BRNO's are even more great IMHO. Bolt on BRNO's is smooth as silk.

-pawn

[StarPD]

Broke the bore in with around 250 rounds, groups closed up nicely after that. Replaced the factory sear with an adjustable one from "Automation Solutions" along with their lighter spring. My friend Mark Graham, aka "gunplumber" fixed the ejection problems as suggested by CZ's gunsmith, and readjusted the A/S sear and spring for 2 lbs pull with just a slight amount of creep (which is what I like).

A Burris 4.5-14 x 33AO "Timberline" scope in on its way to me for it, along with a pair of Burris "Signature ZEE Pos-A-Line" rings for it. I'll use an existing B-Square aluminum 3/8" to Weaver adaptor for the rings.

I expect once the scope is on and zeroed, my wife will really like it.

[bykerhd]

I was talking to a dealer this afternoon about the CZs.
He is a real fan. He strongly advises to spend the extra money when ordering one to get the target adjustable trigger. Well worth it. Or, so he claims.
We weren't talking at his shop so I don't think he was trying to sell me anything.

[Johnny Witt]

Anybody know of a good receiver sight for the Scout. I want to break my Nephews and my 2 Boys in with a repeater and Irons first.

[StarPD]

The CZ "Scout" comes with excellent iron sights already installed.
See it here: http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=5

I think if you want better than what CZ installs, you'd probably have to go to custom target sights, not cost effective on an inexpensive (but high quality) rifle like the CZ "Scout".

If you still want to pursue the issue and want a rear receiver mounted rear sight, read up on it here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393985

Congratulations on choosing this excellent youth rifle. It will give your boys and nephews many years of enjoyment. I suspect that they'll buy CZ full size rifles for themselves when they are grown, after shooting this one.

More dads should be like you.

[Johnny Witt]

Originally posted by StarPD
The CZ "Scout" comes with excellent iron sights already installed.
See it here: http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=5

I think if you want better than what CZ installs, you'd probably have to go to custom target sights, not cost effective on an inexpensive (but high quality) rifle like the CZ "Scout".

If you still want to pursue the issue and want a rear receiver mounted rear sight, read up on it here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393985

Congratulations on choosing this excellent youth rifle. It will give your boys and nephews many years of enjoyment. I suspect that they'll buy CZ full size rifles for themselves when they are grown, after shooting this one.

More dads should be like you.

Thanks.

[Blackmore]

Originally posted by Blackmore


That is correct, they do. A poster on another board suggested I contact CZ-USA to see if one of those will fit my 452 and if I could get that part.

Update: With spring in the air I decided to call CZ about the metal nosecap for my 452FS to replace the plastic one. I was quoted $44 mailed. That's about 11% of dealer cost for a whole new rifle. I think I'll pass.

[StarPD]

Blackmore,
go to the CZ forums on the Rimfire Central and Rimfire Shooting web sites. You just may find a metal forend cap for your CZ FS there. There ARE some discussions about this subject there.

[StarPD]

Update on my wife's CZ 452 American for ALL FAL:

With the new adjustable sear from Automation Solutions, and the extractor dressed up and the ejector shimmed by Gunplumber, it shoots like a dream. My brother and my shooting buddy Lary were amazed at how smooth the bolt and trigger are.

I finally got the Burris 4.5 - 14 x 32 "Timberline" scope installed on it with Burris "Signature ZEE" rings and B-Square 3/8 to Weaver aluminum adaptors.
I got it zeroed in short order. It shot to the right with the first magazine full. I made one 3/4 turn of the scope adjustment and lo and behold, it was dead center at 25 yards. I didn't really shoot it for accuracy, but the 5 rounds I fired after the initial adjustment were all in a little tiny group.

After the work and a good scope and ring setup, it's a shooter. My wife hasn't fired it now that it's finished, but I know she'll love it.

While many CZ's need no work at all, and some need either or both sear and extractor/ejector work, I have to recommend this rifle. It's a solid rifle built like a center fire. It is well worth the work some of them do need, and whether "slicked up" or box stock, will shoot better than the owner in most cases. I heartily recommend them for anyone wanting a lifetime premium rimfire rifle at a bargain price. At less than half of the price of the less expensive Anschutz (64 Series), it is an excellent buy.

Now with the price of ammo so high, getting a really GOOD .22LR just makes sense. A CZ will give you many years of fun shooting, and you will leave it to your kids or grandkids.