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Dirt1042
June 28, 2008, 20:10
What have I got here gents?
I ordered an SA service grade garand from the CMP and received this...



http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2126.jpg


http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2127.jpg


Never mind the nice Underwood carbine that I got from them as well...:D

Dirt1042
June 28, 2008, 20:11
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2133.jpg


Looks like an HRA bolt
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2132.jpg

Dirt1042
June 28, 2008, 20:13
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2131.jpg


Looks like a WRA trigger housing:biggrin:



http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2130.jpg


Would anyone recomend filling these small holes in the stock?
It looks like someone pushed a firing pin or something into the stock.

Survey Punk
June 28, 2008, 20:30
I've looked for the picture but can't find it. There's this ordnance GI with a bucket of gasoline scrubbing an M1 barreled receiver with a brush and around him are piles of M1 parts sorted by function. When he got done scrubbing he didn't give a hoot in Hell if a Winchester op rod got put on a Springfield rifle.
Chances are the rifle you have has been rebuilt a number of times and is typical of CMP service grades.
Take a clip of ammo and see if the holes in the stock don't line up with the bullet tips. It's Joe Dopes way of making sure the cartridges are fully seated in the clips. Part of the history of that stock, at least.

JB

uivandal
June 28, 2008, 20:59
Heck, that looks like one nice CMP M1. The pics are too dark for my old tired eyes and I can't make out the details of the marks though.

If you're overly concerned about the divits in the stock, run it through the dishwasher (no soap and no dry cycle) and I bet they will disappear. Lightly sand it, hit it with a couple coats of BLO and it'll be good as new. On the other hand, the divits give the stock some character.

TerryN
June 28, 2008, 21:05
+1. You have a lovingly assembled mixmaster rifle. Having been a Small Arms Repairman, I can tell you for a fact that we didn't know who all had manufactured parts for each specific weapon, let alone care! All we were concerned about was reducing the stacks of broken weapons in front of us to completed job orders. Fix the guns, do the paperwork, and leave for the day. Beer time!

The mixed parts of your rifle contributes to the uniqueness of it. If you desire, try steaming the dents out of the stock and then apply boiled linseed oil, or 100% pure tung oil over that area. Don't sand it, and please don't try to fill the dents. Whatever you use won't match the rest of the stock, and will just detract from its appearance.

Dirt1042
June 28, 2008, 21:13
Originally posted by TerryN
+1. You have a lovingly assembled mixmaster rifle. Having been a Small Arms Repairman, I can tell you for a fact that we didn't know who all had manufactured parts for each specific weapon, let alone care! All we were concerned about was reducing the stacks of broken weapons in front of us to completed job orders. Fix the guns, do the paperwork, and leave for the day. Beer time!

The mixed parts of your rifle contributes to the uniqueness of it. If you desire, try steaming the dents out of the stock and then apply boiled linseed oil, or 100% pure tung oil over that area. Don't sand it, and please don't try to fill the dents. Whatever you use won't match the rest of the stock, and will just detract from its appearance.


I usually do the oven cleaner the first go around and then citristrip the next couple of times. After I rinse the stock it raises the grain (varies) depending on the the wood. I've noticed walnut does not raise as much, but it still does.

What would be a correct method to clean and degrease without having to sand afterward?

I have tung oil and BLO in the garage, I do prefer the tung :p


Also, aren't Winchester parts worth more than SA or HRA or IH for that matter?

Dirt1042
July 01, 2008, 13:52
I just noticed that the rear sight is a National Match.
Anyone know of a good place to find a NM front sight?

The sight picture is a little fuzzy with the wide blade of the stock front sight.

John Crusher
July 01, 2008, 21:21
Clean,grease,shoot. I got several Greek rack grades 6-7yrs. ago and they had dings and dents then and some more now. History and originality (especially the bullet marks from setting the cartridges in the enblocs) is priceless. Little BLO and enjoy! Congrats! It's a wonderful designed rifle that parts can be swapped so easily and functions flawlessly.

Dirt1042
August 12, 2008, 15:52
I just noticed that the barrel is NM as well. Does this increase the value? I looked on CMP's web site and they are selling NM garands for way more than the regular service rifles.
I ordered this one as a service grade.

Heat
August 12, 2008, 20:37
Sounds like my CMP service grade..I have a S.A. receiver, HRA parts and a slightly worn stock..I completely dis-assembled it, cleaned it thoroughly and re-assembled it..took a few bandoleers of the CMP greek '06 to the range, zeroed it at 100 yds and then slowfired a sub MOA group..several times! I aint gonna complain one little bit! Beats the snot out of my FAL and other rifles that are more 'shiek'--Shoot and be happy:)

Heat
August 12, 2008, 20:48
Originally posted by Dirt1042



I usually do the oven cleaner the first go around and then citristrip the next couple of times. After I rinse the stock it raises the grain (varies) depending on the the wood. I've noticed walnut does not raise as much, but it still does.

What would be a correct method to clean and degrease without having to sand afterward?

I have tung oil and BLO in the garage, I do prefer the tung :p


Also, aren't Winchester parts worth more than SA or HRA or IH for that matter?
I cleaned mine with Super-Clean(Castrol) bought at local NAPA auto..works wonders...just wear gloves and clean outside..try not to do any deep-breathing exercises while cleaning

Dirt1042
August 21, 2008, 19:42
I got to looking a little closer and notice NM stamped on the barrel and rear sight here's some pics.

Does anyone know if this is more valuable or not?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2243.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2250.jpg

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2255.jpg

Dirt1042
August 21, 2008, 19:44
Here she is all cleaned up and BLO'd

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj232/dirt1042/IMG_2256.jpg



:beer:

garandguy10
June 10, 2009, 19:24
You may have a type 1 N/M rifle that was returned to general use and went through a overhaul at some point, a real good close up of the barrel markings near the breach would be helpful. is there any bedding material in the stock?
The little dings in the stock was done by someone tapping the bullet tips in a loaded clip to seat them into the clip, something that would likely NOT be done by a rifleman during a shooting match.

Does the rear sight aperature have any "NM" markings on it?

Charles Lipscomb
June 19, 2009, 02:28
i noticed your rifle had the rear site cranked nearly all the way over. I would like to know when you site it in if this was necesary for this particular M1???
When i got my first M1 from the cmp 1998, ( i got my 1st M1, a korean import in 89), my sites were off as well. I set the front sight all the way to the right side of the base on the gas cylinder, flush with the edge...
this centered my sights, and gave me full left/right windage. on a calm day, i need only crank on 5 clicks of evl. and am dead on at 1oo yrds..
those dents are a part of the history, but they can be steamed out...
is your NM barrel more valuable? that would depend on how accurate it is. if it is sub moa, i guess you could remove it and sell it, then replace it with a new barrel. BUT the cost of a new barrel, removing the NM barrel, and installing the new one would negate ay profit to be mae by doing that.
as to a NM front sight. try fulton-amory.. But make sure the rear appeture is also a NM sight. this can be checked by measuring the 'peep'. i can't recall the numbers... but then it may be marked NM as well.
my korean import M1 has a NM op rod, but it is no realy special, n fact it is illegal for John C Garand Matches... but i never got around to replace it .
do u have a muzzle wear/throat erosion gage? just curious as to what the barrel measures...
glad to see another M1 in civilian hands...