Monkey In The Heller Decision!

[ephv]

Here's the Monkey fellas. From the ruling--

"“In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.”


What constitutes disqualified?

Lawyer Full Employment Act!

[EOD Guy]

Originally posted by ephv
Here's the Monkey fellas. From the ruling--

"“In sum, we hold that the District’s ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense. Assuming that Heller is not disqualified from the exercise of Second Amendment rights, the District must permit him to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.”


What constitutes disqualified?

Lawyer Full Employment Act!

Those who cannot legally own firearms, such as felons and the mentally ill.

[Blood of Tyrants]

They discussed it. The insane, ex-cons, etc. Generally the people who are currently disallowed from owning firearms today for reasons not related to their location.

[ephv]

In other words, those who have been under psychological counseling. Obama wants to counsel every veteran who has been in the battle field. Also domestic violence- what constitutes domestic violence? Remember the courts already refused to rule on that one. Convicted felon? Bounce a check and you're a felon.

Oh, the possibilities are endless and the states get to add to them.

[2barearms]

The whole things throws cold water on Hangun Control, Inc.

[thunderchicken]

Originally posted by 2barearms
The whole things throws cold water on Hangun Control, Inc.

Probably not, I suspect the press will play it as "the sky is falling" and HCI will be more effective at fundraising. Their budget now is miniscule.

[ephv]

Keep reading--

“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.”

“Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U. S., at 179.”

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[2barearms]

Originally posted by thunderchicken


Probably not, I suspect the press will play it as "the sky is falling" and HCI will be more effective at fundraising. Their budget now is miniscule.

A well funded NRA is already on the move so I hope Tom Diaz has deep pockets.

[ephv]

More anti-freedom words from the decision--


“The term (firearm) was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity.”

“Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

“Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose.”

[littlehoot]

Also domestic violence- what constitutes domestic violence?

the question of misdemeanor "domestic violence"/ the so called lautenberg (sp?) amendment as a 2A disqualifier is slated for supreme court review this fall

[gunnut1]

In other words, those who have been under psychological counseling
Not true. The only way that you cannot own a firearm under the mentally ill rules is to be found, by a court, to have been adjucated mentally ill or has been involuntary committed to a mental institution. Voluntary commitment is not included.

[V guy]

I can't believe that some of you guys are interpreting Heller as a loss. You guys are exactly why we have to have laws and rules and a Constitution to begin with.

The Social Contract is something you got born into. That deal basically states that you gave up your rights to be a total country or nation unto yourself, living by your own rules and wiles and you agreed to live in a society that necessarily has rules and regulations to control the most violent or dumb among us....and you agree that the legal system is the law.

Examine your personal copy of that social contract you were given..look at the date. it cannot be ripped up or taken to court to get it declared moot. You are stuck with it and the constitution. Blame your parents for signing you up to it...most people have thrown their copies away and don't realize that they signed it until they are in prison and are shown a copy of it and "the rules".

[ephv]

Send that tripe to Congress. I didn't agree to give up any rights. The social contract you're waving around was designed to protect my rights from the very bus you are saying we are supposed to lay down for. Not!

Here's the social contact establishing this nation:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Our government is supposed to protect our rights, not take them away. It's thinking like yours that endangers us all.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams

[Para Driver]

Originally posted by thunderchicken
Probably not, I suspect the press will play it as "the sky is falling" and HCI will be more effective at fundraising. Their budget now is miniscule.

I already got the email, they need $50k URGENTLY to 'keep up the fight'.. this little deal probably drained their bank accounts.. time to strike!

[gunnut1]

It is WAY too early to tell what anybody is going to do. Yes the anti's are screaming bloody murder. There will be and already are lawsuits being filed by the pro gun folks. The HCI, The Brady Bunch and the VPC are still yelling foul. They cannot figure out what happened. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/kd5day/BigB.gif

Baby steps guys, baby steps.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Remember, unless you stand together on this issue, regardless of how we feel, we will do a lot better.

Untied we stand, divided we fall.

Call you Congress Critters. Tell them how you feel.