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Bigger_Is_Better
June 01, 2008, 12:12
18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3): DEFINITION OF FIREARM
18 U.S.C. 922(o): TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF MACHINEGUN
18 U.S.C. 921(a)(23): DEFINITION OF MACHINEGUN
26 U.S.C. 5845(b): DEFINITION OF MACHINEGUN
27 CFR 478.11: DEFINITION OF FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER

The upper assembly of the Fabrique Nationale Herstal SA (FN) FNC rifle is
classified as the receiver of the firearm for purposes of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, and the National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53. ATF Rul. 2008-1

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has recently received inquiries concerning the installation of a registered sear into the FN FNC rifle. These sears, when installed, allow a semiautomatic FNC rifle to be converted into a machinegun. Prior to May 19, 1986, a number of these sears made for the FNC rifle were registered as
machineguns in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR). These sears were required to be registered in the NFRTR as machineguns because they are parts designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun.
In order to install a registered FNC sear into a host FNC rifle, a hole must be drilled into the lower assembly and a portion of the solid area of the lower assembly between the magazine well and the compartment for the trigger mechanism must be milled out. If the lower assembly were to be classified as the receiver, any such modifications would create a new machinegun receiver, potentially in violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(o) (prohibiting the transfer or possession of a machinegun except for official Federal, State, or local government use).
The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) at 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(23), and the National Firearms
Act (NFA) at 26 U.S.C. 5845(b), define the term “machinegun” as “any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.” The term also includes “the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely
and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.” (See also 27 CFR 478.11, 479.11). Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, section 478.11 defines a
“firearm receiver” as, “[t]hat part of a firearm which provides housing for the hammer, bolt or breechblock, and firing mechanism, and which is usually threaded at its forward portion to receive the barrel.” The FNC rifle consists of two major assemblies, the upper assembly and the lower
assembly. The lower assembly houses the trigger, hammer, disconnector, safety/selector, - 2 - and an automatic trip lever in the automatic version. It also incorporates a pistol grip and a magazine release. The upper assembly houses a barrel that is attached to the upper assembly by means of a barrel extension. It also houses the bolt carrier with gas piston affixed, gas tube and handguard, bolt, operating rod and spring. The two assemblies are mounted together with a front and rear takedown pin. Since 1981, ATF has classified the lower assembly as the receiver for purposes of the GCA and NFA. ATF has reconsidered its classification of the lower assembly of the FNC rifle as the receiver. The upper assembly of the FNC rifle is more properly classified as the receiver. The upper assembly of the FNC rifle houses the bolt and provides a connection point for the barrel. Moreover, the upper assembly is classified as the receiver on similar types of firearms, to include other FN rifles, such as the FN FAL and FN SCAR. Reclassification of the upper assembly as the receiver will also allow the continued installation of a
lawfully registered sear into an FNC rifle because no modification to the receiver, which is the upper assembly, is required to properly install the sear.

Held, the upper assembly of the FN FNC rifle is the receiver of the firearm.

Held further, in the event a licensed manufacturer in the United States
manufactures a new firearm that is substantially similar to the FN FNC rifle, it must be marked with a model designation other than “FNC.”

To the extent this ruling is inconsistent with any previous ATF classifications, they are hereby superseded.

Date approved: May 27, 2008
Michael J. Sullivan
Acting Director


I don't have one, but I know some of you do. This info might be helpful.

Aaron

John Culver
June 01, 2008, 13:06
To the extent this ruling is inconsistent with any previous ATF classifications, they are hereby superseded.

I Do love the BATF usual ass covering.

"In case we are hypocrites, we aren't"

Skilter
June 01, 2008, 13:12
wow...

rochte
June 01, 2008, 21:38
Held further, in the event a licensed manufacturer in the United States
manufactures a new firearm that is substantially similar to the FN FNC rifle, it must be marked with a model designation other than “FNC.”[/B]

Does a registered sear specify the type of receiver for which it is intended (e.g., "FNC")? Trying to think of a reason that they would include this additional finding....

Heat
June 01, 2008, 23:20
Originally posted by rochte


Does a registered sear specify the type of receiver for which it is intended (e.g., "FNC")? Trying to think of a reason that they would include this additional finding....

Its called control

DesertFALrat
June 03, 2008, 00:24
Are the upper receivers of FNC's serial numbered?

duey
June 09, 2008, 13:54
all markings including the ser number are on the barreled upper. the only thing on the lower is selector positions S and 1, on a semi.

gunplumber
June 09, 2008, 17:16
that seems to be a good ruling - that it is inconsistent with earlier rulings - is to be expected.

But now you can have a lower machined for an auto sear without marrying it to the gun.

DesertFALrat
June 09, 2008, 22:35
Originally posted by duey
all markings including the ser number are on the barreled upper. the only thing on the lower is selector positions S and 1, on a semi.


Well, given that, I'm not sure how the lower could have ever been the "firearm".

DesertFALrat
October 09, 2009, 01:30
I know this is an old thread, but I've done some investigation on this topic and found that not all FNC uppers that were legally imported have serial numbers on the upper receiver.

I have seen with my own eyes FNC Howco imports that do not have any serial numbers on the uppers at all.

There are also supposedly 18 or so AK5 uppers that were imported that don't have any serial numbers either...


What is the status of these parts? Grandfathered like the sear cut semi FAL?

Stranger
October 09, 2009, 08:28
I thought there was no difference between a full-auto FNC upper and a semi upper.

If an FNC upper is now the NFA part then aren't all semi-uppers now defined as items subject to NFA regs?

DesertFALrat
October 09, 2009, 10:05
Aside from the bolt carrier, the uppers of a semi and a sear converted FA are identical.

The bolt carriers appear to be altered to engage the installed sear, which makes sense, otherwise it wouldn't go FA.

The lowers are altered for the sear installation, which is why the ruling was changed.

I understand that completely.



What I would like to know is what is the status of uppers that don't have serial numbers on them?

There are likely many of these being used as "spares" or "extras", just like a spare or extra M16 upper has been used.

snowhawk jockey
October 09, 2009, 14:15
How would the unmarked upper FNCs be any different than the many chinese AK rifles I have seen that have NO numbers on the reciever proper and the 'ser' on the trunion. Sure, they have import marks and model name/numbers on the reciever, but serial no numbers. Sure, the trunion is riveted to the reciever, but, really, is the reciever marked with the serial? Nope.

DesertFALrat
October 09, 2009, 15:26
There is no lower and upper receiver on an AK.

It's completely different.


But that's off topic.

I'm looking for the legal status of un-numbered FNC upper receivers.

Gun Dr.
October 11, 2009, 20:17
Originally posted by DesertFALrat
I know this is an old thread, but I've done some investigation on this topic and found that not all FNC uppers that were legally imported have serial numbers on the upper receiver.

I have seen with my own eyes FNC Howco imports that do not have any serial numbers on the uppers at all.



That's correct about the Howco FNCs and their unique markings.
Here's a crazy situation that occurred... I had a friend receive a FNC from a private party in a trade that had no serial numbers at all. What happened was the previous owner had two FNCs, a standard model from Gun South and a Howco Para. At some point the uppers & lowers were mismatched between the two guns resulting in one firearm with two sets of serial numbers (a number on the upper, and another one on the lower) and the other firearm had none whatsoever.
Neither of the two new owners of the rifles realized it until the guy tried to trade me the one without numbers. It was a hassle but we finally tracked the other purchaser down and got the combination right.

DesertFALrat
October 11, 2009, 20:38
So how would someone with just an un-numbered upper, transfer it?

Assuming the lower is long gone, converted to NFA, or lost to previous transfers?

Until a year ago, it would have been just a pile of parts...