AMMO....How Much

[G2]

Does anyone know if there is presently a law dictating how much ammunition we as private citizens are allowed to have at any given time???
I have heard yes and then no.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

[shlomo]

As far as ownership goes, none that I know of, at least not federal.

OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some fed reg about storage of large quantities, as there is for powder.

Local laws are anybody's guess.

[Muggzy]

it has more to do with Fire Codes. It would be your Local Fire Codes that could effect you.

I am, according to our Local Law, allowed to store 20lb. of gun powder ( smokeless) I don't remember anything about primers and loaded ammunition, though

[G2]

Thanks guys,
I have checked on this and found nothing through internet searches.
Guy

[Muggzy]

ya might try a phone call to your local fire marshall or dept and see if they have an answer.

paranoid me would do it from a pay phone if they still had pay phone around here and i wouldn't give them my address, either ....but that be me:D

[G2]

Originally posted by Muggzy
ya might try a phone call to your local fire marshall or dept and see if they have an answer.

paranoid me would do it from a pay phone if they still had pay phone around here and i wouldn't give them my address, either ....but that be me:D

++++1
Never give em your name:uhoh:

[ftierson]

Of course, the more people that are asking about permission to have something, the more likely it is that some .gov person will decide to give them an answer after quickly making up some regulation...

Mum's the word...

Forrest

[Heat]

Originally posted by ftierson
Of course, the more people that are asking about permission to have something, the more likely it is that some .gov person will decide to give them an answer after quickly making up some regulation...

Mum's the word...

Forrest

Exactly, dont go around trying to 'do the right thing' by being a 'dudley-do-right' or 'andy ata-boy'--if you try to get info out of the .gov, albiet Fed, State or local you will just draw undue attention to yourself..as far as I am conceerned it is none of their business..just store your gear safely, preferably in safes, seperating primers from powder from ammo etc..

[fastfreddy]

My opinion is that there is not a law but there may be a local fire code. That's the deal in my area. The state has a "uniform fire code" model that pretty much all the localities have adopted as their own. Like local ordinances, fire code violations result in a civil fine rather than criminal charges. Some look to say "you can't do this or that" but do not provide for a penalty. Try to search for a fire code in your locality or a model fire code in your state.

Keep in mind that I am not a lawyer, I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn Express, I have no ammo.... or guns, I am located in the Canary Islands, I am a retard, and I didn't even post this.

[Scott S]

I recall seeing a nationally-recognized entity that published fire code info stating that loaded small arms ammo didn't pose a threat to fire-fighting personnel because of the protection they typically wear. Ammo that spontaneously combusts does come apart, but it doesn't generate enough velocity to be dangerous to firefighters in their protective gear. That said, local codes might specify greater restrictions.

[DJ]

Give www.nfpa.org a look-see. They may have the information that you seek.

[jaykden]

Originally posted by Scott S
I recall seeing a nationally-recognized entity that published fire code info stating that loaded small arms ammo didn't pose a threat to fire-fighting personnel because of the protection they typically wear. Ammo that spontaneously combusts does come apart, but it doesn't generate enough velocity to be dangerous to firefighters in their protective gear. That said, local codes might specify greater restrictions.

a firefighter here told me that ammo by itself isn't a big deal.

the problems they have is when someone has a loaded mag in a semi-auto WITH ONE IN THE CHAMBER! that is a key point.

they will begin cooking off and then you have bullets whizzing around, flying every which way.

[G2]

This whole thing came up when I was talking to a buddy and he used to be an Oakland County Cop. He said he had heard of some poor bastard being arrested by the alphabets for having 20,000 rounds of loaded ammo stashed in his house. That got me thinkin.....if some law had slipped by me about allowed quantities of ammo. So, I figured I would post it here in case someone had heard of such a BS law. I searched alover the web and all I found was some crapola about a bill that was or is in the house that would limit ammo purchases etc.
Not that I would ever entertain such an idea of stashing ammo :biggrin:
Guy

[cotter]

There was a guy in Kali about 1 1/2 years ago who's house caught on fire and would not leave when the FD ordered him out. He had a sizable stash of ammo, a 'bunker' and some questionable (as to Kali legal) firearms. They carted him and his stash off but I never did hear if any of the BS stuck.

http://dimonion.blogspot.com/ "You may have heard on the news about a southern California man that was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found that he owned 100 guns and allegedly had (by rough estimate) 1 million rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel. My favorite quote from the dimwit television reporter: "Wow! He has ... ...about a million machinegun bullets." The headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache." BTW, I am dubious about the pile of ammunition boxes and cans that they showed. It looked big enough to contain no more than about 100,000 rounds, unless there was a lot of .22 rimfire ammo. However, by southern California standards, even someone owning 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable." Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."

My FD has already been told, LET IT BURN! But the answer would be in your local fire codes, but good luck finding it (most of the codes can not be found online unless you want to pay to look, maybe your library), even from your local fire prevention bureau (most are worthless). And I am a firefighter myself.

[bakerjw]

IIRC. Primers are the most worrisome. They tend to be more heat sensitive than the powder.

Check the local laws though.

[2barearms]

Originally posted by cotter
There was a guy in Kali about 1 1/2 years ago who's house caught on fire and would not leave when the FD ordered him out. He had a sizable stash of ammo, a 'bunker' and some questionable (as to Kali legal) firearms. They carted him and his stash off but I never did hear if any of the BS stuck.

http://dimonion.blogspot.com/ "You may have heard on the news about a southern California man that was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found that he owned 100 guns and allegedly had (by rough estimate) 1 million rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel. My favorite quote from the dimwit television reporter: "Wow! He has ... ...about a million machinegun bullets." The headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache." BTW, I am dubious about the pile of ammunition boxes and cans that they showed. It looked big enough to contain no more than about 100,000 rounds, unless there was a lot of .22 rimfire ammo. However, by southern California standards, even someone owning 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable." Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."

My FD has already been told, LET IT BURN! But the answer would be in your local fire codes, but good luck finding it (most of the codes can not be found online unless you want to pay to look, maybe your library), even from your local fire prevention bureau (most are worthless). And I am a firefighter myself.


Being from Texas I know the routine. My house got burglarized a few years ago and when the Sheriffs dept showed up and there were cases
of ammo and gun parts everywhere they didn't even blink. I'm sure I'd
still be in a straight jacket if I lived in Commiefornia. I just figgered out
the loaded semi auto thing, but unless the pistol or rifle were horizontal
it wouldn't still be bad except for the bullets raining down outside. Get
a Ridgid job site tool box and keep the bulk of it there and between ammo cans and the box no one should get hurt. They may still refuse to
go in with rounds popping though.

[Heat]

Originally posted by cotter
There was a guy in Kali about 1 1/2 years ago who's house caught on fire and would not leave when the FD ordered him out. He had a sizable stash of ammo, a 'bunker' and some questionable (as to Kali legal) firearms. They carted him and his stash off but I never did hear if any of the BS stuck.

http://dimonion.blogspot.com/ "You may have heard on the news about a southern California man that was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found that he owned 100 guns and allegedly had (by rough estimate) 1 million rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel. My favorite quote from the dimwit television reporter: "Wow! He has ... ...about a million machinegun bullets." The headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache." BTW, I am dubious about the pile of ammunition boxes and cans that they showed. It looked big enough to contain no more than about 100,000 rounds, unless there was a lot of .22 rimfire ammo. However, by southern California standards, even someone owning 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable." Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:
In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector"
In Texas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector"
In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of storage food.
In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy."
In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate."
And, in Wyoming he'd be called "an eligible bachelor."

My FD has already been told, LET IT BURN! But the answer would be in your local fire codes, but good luck finding it (most of the codes can not be found online unless you want to pay to look, maybe your library), even from your local fire prevention bureau (most are worthless). And I am a firefighter myself.

I remember seeing that story linked from www.survivalblog.com
sad, in my hometown of San Clemente California (I am now in Idaho) we had a similiar thing happen, a fellow was accused of stealing form the local school district, he was a janitor and had borrowed an industrial size mop bucket to clean up around his garage..anyway, the local tattle tale neighbor lady next door was aware he owned several guns so she narked on him and they stormed his house one day..big media event..they layed it all out on tarps to snap some pics..bunch of old Mosin-nagants, Mausers, SKS's..and the dreaded AR-15 "Assault Rifle" and a few hundred 100k rds of ammo..he and his father were just picking up old rifles at the gunshows for years...I moved soon after so never found out what happened..poor bastard--heres the story below...they had all this crap about AK's, automatic weapons etc....it was just mostly old bolt actions and SKS's--

1999
(CBS) A school district groundskeeper is in custody after a search of his home turned up a stockpile of 80 automatic weapons, including illegal AK-47 assualt rifles, and 50,000 rounds of ammunition, reports CBS station KCBS-TV in Los Angeles.

Orange County sheriff's deputies were serving a warrant at the man's house Wednesday morning to search for maintenance equipment allegedly stolen from the district, authorities said.

Jerry Peacock, an employee with the Capistrano Unified School District, was arrested for investigation of receiving stolen property, said Orange County sheriff's spokesman Jim Amormino.

Peacock is being held on $10,000 bail.

Authorities said the cache is possibly the largest weapons bust ever in Orange County.

The weapons, which included eight machine guns and several World War II-vintage carbines, were stored inside two safes at the home.

"They found 80 assault weapons, some of which appear to be fully automatic," said sheriff's Lt. Tom Garner.

Some of the missing maintenance equipment also was recovered.

It wasn't immediately known how or why he obtained the weapons, Amormino said. The federal bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is helping authorities trace the origin of the guns.

Deputies also found stacks of magazines at the house, including Solder of Fortune, Guns of the World, Combat and The Ultimate Sniper.

Peacock, 43, was hired by the district in 1993 and worked at its 42 campuses as needed, said spokeswoman Julie Jennings. She said he has been on disability for five months.

Officials say Peacock had never threatened students or school district employees.



Copyright 1999 CBS Worldwide Inc., All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Lewis Wetzel]

Called my local FD when I moved my 'modest' stash to the new home...

Surprisingly, they said that unless I was a business, there was no restriction, NONE, on ammo....

But I have to wonder about primers.....Those CAN pose a problem in sufficient quantity....

Thank goodness I limit myself to under 5000 per size (LR, SP, LP)

[Lewis Wetzel]

Originally posted by jaykden


a firefighter here told me that ammo by itself isn't a big deal.

the problems they have is when someone has a loaded mag in a semi-auto WITH ONE IN THE CHAMBER! that is a key point.

they will begin cooking off and then you have bullets whizzing around, flying every which way.

Actually, he may have point there, in the right confluence of circumstances....

[justashooter]

DOT has published storage rules that allow you to store more powder than the fire code usually allows. the storage facilities are usually described as powder boxes made from 1" wood, with simple latches. the intent is that the powder will not be contained when burning, and never achieve pressure to make it do more than fizzle.

do not store quantities of powder in metal cabinets or gun safes.

[MACV]

"Deputies also found stacks of magazines at the house, including Solder of Fortune, Guns of the World, Combat and The Ultimate Sniper."


Oh my.....lock that sumbitch up and throw away the key!

[G2]

Originally posted by MACV
"Deputies also found stacks of magazines at the house, including Solder of Fortune, Guns of the World, Combat and The Ultimate Sniper."


Oh my.....lock that sumbitch up and throw away the key!

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