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L1A1rocker
May 20, 2008, 21:12
OK, obligatory disclaimer here: DO NOT start a suppressor project without FIRST obtaining your approved Form 1 in hand, PLUS any state paperwork that may be necessary in your state.

First let me apologize for not posting this sooner. My grandmother has been in very poor health the last month and has finally past this last week on Motherís day. I had planned on posting this last week but that had to take a back seat. Now, on to the good stuff.

This was my first foray into turning stainless steel and I was very surprised at how well the stainless bar stock took to machining. The little splinters were not pleasant at all but the material was very ďworkableĒ.


Before I could start turning out parts that had threads on them I had to make myself a set of thread checking gauges. I once checked into having custom taps and dies made up and just about dropped the phone at hearing the price. I learned how to make my own custom threads on the lathe. So here is the process I undertook to make a set of check gauges that I will make my other threads to match.

First thing was to face off the end of the stainless steel bar stock

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/SSbarStock1sm.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/SSbarStock2sm.jpg

Next was to put my center hole in place for the live center

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/SSbarStock3sm.jpg

Now itís set up to do some trimming down.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/SSbarStock4sm.jpg

Here is a little Vid of turning down the bar stock. Please forgive the unedited videos. Iím in a hurry to get this posted before heading out of town.

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Now itís threading time. Iíve been a little remise in posting pics of the threading process so here are lots of pics and some vids thrown in for good measure.

First was to turn down the bar stock to the correct O.D. and cut thread relief on each side of where the threads will be.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ThreadingGuage1sm.jpg

And now we can start cutting threads.

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Here are some vids of the threading process.

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And with the threading complete.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ThreadingGuage4sm.jpg

And now just for S & Gs, and because Iíve got the tool to do it. . .a little knurling treatment.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/KnurllingThreadGuagesm.jpg

And here are my thread check gauges. (sorry no pics of making the tube gauge) All my following threads will be made to these specs.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ThreadingGuage5sm.jpg


Now, since I already had the Stainless in the lathe I decided to turn out the end cap.
First I drilled/bored a ľ inch hole through the entire length of what is to be the end cap.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap1sm.jpg

OK, just being a little coy with the pics here but can you see the end cap in the bar stock?

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap2sm.jpg

Here is the cap just before threading.
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap4sm.jpg

Here it is after threading and boring.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap5sm.jpg

And now itís time to cut it off from the bar stock.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap6sm.jpg

And now a couple pics of the completed end cap.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap7recropsm.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/EndCap8recropsm.jpg
Just a note for all us other hobbyists out there. Be sure to keep you tool bits sharp.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ToolSharpenersm.jpg


NEXT: A change of stock to aluminum and weíll turn out the chamber support. This is the part that will be screwed down onto the threads on the barrel right near the chamber. The stainless tube will then be screwed down completely over this and butt up against the receiver. To keep this from unscrewing at the wrong time and in the wrong place it will be affixed to the barrel using a set screw.

OK, here we go again, center hole the bar stock for the live center.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport1sm.jpg

Iím going to skip a lot of what youíve already seen in this post on this peace so here is a pic with the chamber support turned down and the outside threaded for the tube. The inside diameter is already drilled out for the next step.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport2sm.jpg

And here is the next step. Threading the inside. Now I donít want to disappoint anyone by not lathe turning these threads but Iím basically a lazy person and will take any shortcut I can.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport3sm.jpg

That is really a great little setup. The tap holder has a center hole machined into the back of it to run your live center into. Pretty neat.

OK, here is the complete deal just before cutting it off.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport4sm.jpg

And here it is laying next to the barrel.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport5sm.jpg

Now getting ready to tap it for the set screw.

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Tapping

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport7sm.jpg

And now a major F-up on my part. In order to find my mark on where to place the hole on the barrel for the set screw I screwed down the chamber support onto the barrel. I then used an automatic punch down the set screw hole in the chamber support to mark my spot to drill. Now the chamber support WOULD NOT COME OFF THE BARREL!!! Yep, you guessed it! I had disrupted the threads on the barrel and I was SCREWED!!!

Out came the dremil tool with a mini end mill attached. I WAS able to salvage it but it is NOT pretty. Itíll work, but damn. . . . Iíll let the pictures talk from here.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport8recropedsm.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/ChamberSupport9recroped.jpg

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Next peace to work on was the tube support. In the mauser project this peace was threaded onto the muzzle end of the barrel and secured with a set screw. This one will be a little different. This time the peace will be a slip fit. The tolerances will be VERY close with a little bit of firm pressure to get it to actually ďslipĒ onto the barrel. This peace will keep the barrel and tube in alignment so it needs to fit tightly.

I took a little shortcut here and used an end mill to start things off. I had to finish it out using a boring bar so I could keep the tolerances tight.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/MuzzelSupport1sm.jpg

And the finished product.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j154/L1A1Rocker/MuzzelSupport2recropsm.jpg

OK, that is where Iím at now. Well, not exactly, I was actually in the middle of cutting threads into the tube when I had to leave town but I donít have any pics of that.

Please feel free to leave any comments, suggestions, questions as I enjoy discussing the project. Donít get offended however if it takes a while for me to comment back. Iíll be leaving town tomorrow and will not have computer access for a while.

Thank you folks, itís a fun project and fun to share. Iím just glad itís taking less time than the Mauser project.

Artful
May 21, 2008, 22:00
Oh man that must have upset you when you found that problem :eek:
Keep the pic's coming - they are great stuff.

L1A1rocker
May 24, 2008, 14:44
Originally posted by Artful
Oh man that must have upset you when you found that problem :eek:
Keep the pic's coming - they are great stuff.

Oh yeah! I was pieved some greatly when I realized what I had done. It was such a sophmoric oversight that I should have seen comming. Oh well, I'm glad I was able to salvage it as it took the better part of a day to turn that peace out.

ronnieb
May 24, 2008, 20:21
Did I understand that your grandmother passed away on Mothers day?

If so my condolances.

L1A1rocker
May 24, 2008, 21:21
Originally posted by ronnieb
Did I understand that your grandmother passed away on Mothers day?

If so my condolances.

Correct. She passed sometime between 12:30 and 2:00 am on Mother's Day. It was her time and we had expected it for several weeks now. She was 94 and we belive that she is now in a better place. Thank you for you condolances.

THECARREAPER
June 01, 2008, 06:50
great write up on the build process. i had a 22/45 with can built by a Title 2 class 3 dealer buddy of mine. had the gun with can for 10 years and transferred it to a friend. i look forward to reading about your progress.

L1A1rocker
June 03, 2008, 09:01
Originally posted by THECARREAPER
great write up on the build process. i had a 22/45 with can built by a Title 2 class 3 dealer buddy of mine. had the gun with can for 10 years and transferred it to a friend. i look forward to reading about your progress.

Thanks, their great fun and very addictive. In case you missed the part one here is the link.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=229542