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panzer
May 17, 2008, 20:45
Anyone got the stuff to rebarrel an Izzy K98 in Georgia? I never did this before, but want to learn how. I can buy the beer and brats ;)

shlomo
May 18, 2008, 06:47
Tell me what your plan is. What barrel, caliber, finish, etc.

May be able to help ya.

panzer
May 18, 2008, 07:43
WIll be pretty straight forward, I think... Just put a new military contour 308 barrel on it, and swap the sights over back to original con figuration. The barrel is a surplus military, in the white. RIfle is already a 308. Havent thought about a finish yet, might redo the whole gun. I also have a new stock and hand gaurd for it.
Not lookin for for a hand off project, I want to learn how its done, so I can see what I need and do a couple more down the road. ;)

shlomo
May 18, 2008, 08:20
What about headspace? Normally, one of two methods are used: A short-chambered barrel that has to be finish reamed to depth; or, a slightly long-chambered barrel that is headspaced by turning the shank and shoulder back.

The first will require a .308 reamer, which I do not have, and the second requires only a lathe, which I do have.

Which variety do you have?

I have a receiver wrench made up, but have not made barrel blocks yet. If we do this, I'll need the exact barrel diameter to bore the block set.

panzer
May 18, 2008, 09:24
it is full depth chambered. I can get a diameter tuesday night.

shlomo
May 19, 2008, 06:15
Originally posted by panzer
it is full depth chambered.

Not sure what that means. Is it a GI barrel, new in wrap? Are you assuming that it will torque up to headspace?

On another note, I did some checking on diameter for the several vz-24 takeoffs lying around the shop. They run right at .982. Be interesting to see if yours is the same.

Munster30
May 19, 2008, 08:46
Originally posted by panzer
WIll be pretty straight forward, I think... Just put a new military contour 308 barrel on it, and swap the sights over back to original con figuration. The barrel is a surplus military, in the white. RIfle is already a 308. Havent thought about a finish yet, might redo the whole gun. I also have a new stock and hand gaurd for it.
Not lookin for for a hand off project, I want to learn how its done, so I can see what I need and do a couple more down the road. ;) If it's one of the surplus in the white barrels from Coles it's short chambered. Most "in the white" barrels have been short chambered so the rifle can more easily go back into service with minimal hassles at the service depot.

panzer
May 19, 2008, 09:03
Case drops in right up to the extractor groove. How else can I tell?

Munster30
May 19, 2008, 14:39
I'm not a gunsmith, but it sounds like you have a chambered barrel.
This is an interesting thread, keep posting on your progress with the project.
Thanks.

panzer
May 19, 2008, 14:56
I just wonder how the sights go on and off....

shlomo
May 19, 2008, 17:51
Originally posted by panzer
Case drops in right up to the extractor groove. How else can I tell?

By screwing it on your action, and checking with h/s gauge and stripped bolt.

Could also guesstimate it closely by depth miking to the bolt face from the face of the receiver ring, and comparing it to the distance from the barrel's torque shoulder to the back end of the h/s gauge.

shlomo
May 19, 2008, 17:52
Originally posted by panzer
I just wonder how the sights go on and off....

On most Mausers, they are soldered.

panzer
May 19, 2008, 18:52
this is turning out to me more than I thought.... But, I am learning domething ;)

Brass Rat
May 19, 2008, 19:11
Case drops in right up to the extractor groove. How else can I tell?

Short chambered barrels are only about .050" short, pretty hard to tell by just dropping a round in the chamber of a nekkid barrel.

shlomo
May 19, 2008, 21:00
Originally posted by panzer
this is turning out to me more than I thought.... But, I am learning domething ;)

Not really such a big deal, if ya got a lathe and headspace gauges. Or at least a GO gauge. If you don't have at least a GO, you'll need to organize one prior to embarking on the program.

We're not really gonna know what we have until we take off the current barrel. Then we can screw on the replacement hand tight, and see what the gauges tell us. If you're short, we'll need a reamer. If long, we'll chuck it up in the lathe and machine off some of the shoulder and/or shank end, until it makes headspace.

I've got the manganese park program going, so we can refinish as well.

Only question mark is transferring the sights. I've rebarreled a Mauser once before with a used, but good GI barrel. It didn't time right to the sights, so we heated the sleeve until the solder ran, and turned it up to TDC. Same with the front sight. Solder seemed to re-freeze and hold just fine, and to the best of my knowledge, they are still good to go today. However, moving the sight base to a different barrel, and re-soldering may be a trickier proposition.

Munster30
May 31, 2008, 19:10
Originally posted by panzer
Anyone got the stuff to rebarrel an Izzy K98 in Georgia? I never did this before, but want to learn how. I can buy the beer and brats ;) Panzer, how are you doing on your project?

mitchellh
June 07, 2008, 18:02
Yea, it would be nice to see pictures of the process.

panzer
June 07, 2008, 18:08
Might be awhile, fellas. sorry. Have 2 weeks plus of army training. The "2 weeks a year" you hear about on the commercials. I am full time, so it just means NO days off from now until the 22nd..... or maybe July 4th weekend. So it will probably be in August. I have to work out a deal with Schlomo too ;) But I will be sure to provide alot of pictures. I should have documented alot of my builds, but I get so damned excited I forget. Plus alot of work gets done in the wee hours in the Apartment watching South Park in my underwear.... You don't want pics of that do you? :p

shlomo
June 07, 2008, 19:40
Originally posted by panzer
I have to work out a deal with Schlomo too ;)

Ol' Shlomo will be better equipped to ease your pain if you'll verify the diameter of your barrel shank, so he can bore a set of barrel blocks. The receiver wrench is good to go, I believe.

I may take you up on your offer to share some of that close-range Israeli kung fu. Some of us may take a trip to FalFest next year, and I wanna be ready in case a platoon of NM thugs tries to corner me in CE's laundry room and steal my sunglasses.:shades:

You get me up to speed, and we'll call it even.

panzer
June 07, 2008, 22:24
DEAL...

I will locate some calipers...

I might want to go out west as well.... ;)

gunner30
November 16, 2008, 10:58
BTT
Just wondering, how's the rifel coming along? Or has it just been beerz and bratz since last spring?

Gunner:shades:

davedude
November 30, 2008, 12:45
Hey--I got some pics, I picked up my Izzy mauser yesterday from sledgehammer.

This was a super rough izzy mauser I bought from century for $150. I got a new norwegian barrel from cole distributing, a NOS israeli contract stock from numrich, NOS israeli handgaurd and NOS israeli cupped buttplate from springfield sporters and a correct bolt from Sarco.
She is dressed with a new repro sling for now, but I got a real izzy one to put on also.

Pics aren't the best but check it out an let me know what you think.

Dave Dude


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StoneyCreekMrMauser
November 30, 2008, 16:39
Right purty! I've been thinking of grabbing one or two of those Izzy stocks. Looks like I need to place an order...;)

mitchellh
November 30, 2008, 19:45
DD,

Very nice, I know you're happy. Randy does excellet work, and the the Norwegian barrels are the chit.

davedude
November 30, 2008, 22:30
Stoney dude the stock was a stone perfect fit to the belgian action. Very very nice.

mitchellh you are correct sir, randy did an excellent job on this and put in a lot of extra effort to boot. I an extremely pleased. I've dropped off my savage 99e for him to slick and trick and have others in the que for him to work on for me.

Took the izzy to the range today. Right away my problem with mauser iron sights reared its ugly head--bad eyes--so I had to work around that but was able to print satisfactory groups working at shorter than I prefer distances. I'll have to scout scope this in order to wring the accuracy I know it has out of it.

Dave Dude