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panzer
April 26, 2008, 20:55
Going to rebarrel an old German k98 to 7.62, have a bolt and trigger gaurd, and a NEW israli stock. Question is, Which bayonet lug and front and rea bands do I need? the regular German ones from a K98 seem to be wrong. I ordered some from numrich, and the schematic is useless as its a piture of one part with 5 listings type of deal. So I need help, or if you have these parts, how much you askin?

Mebsuta
April 26, 2008, 21:37
There are a couple different configurations for Israeli 98ks. When I get a chance later I will post some pictures that may help you, if someone does not have an answer for you by then. Do you have finger-groove stock or not?

panzer
April 26, 2008, 21:43
It is the finger grooved stock. Hardwood. Thanks!

Dan44
April 26, 2008, 22:08
Does this help? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Dan44/betterpix.jpg

panzer
April 26, 2008, 22:10
YES. I need to see the other side as well, details on the front bands, and length of the boyolug end to end, Thanks!

RG Coburn
April 26, 2008, 23:14
Are the outside dimensions of a .308 barrel different than a mil-step 8mm?

Mebsuta
April 27, 2008, 01:04
Panzer, does your stock look like this one?
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1664213

If so, does your front end look like this?

Mebsuta
April 27, 2008, 01:10
Bayone lug from Mauser 98k should slip on front end of stock. If not, what is stopping it? It is affixed with a pin. The pin from 98k should work. Upper Band from 98k should slip over bayonet lug. If your stock like pictures above, in this case it would also be affixed with a pin. If you do not have this pin, it can be improvised from nail, welding rod, drill bit shank, etc. It should be tight enough not to slip out under recoil or other hard use.

If your stock is like above, lower band from 98k should work. In this case it is affixed with band spring identical to lower band spring from Gew 98, shown in this picture for comparison.

HTH. Best I can do with teh junk that I have. Keepin it real. :D :p

Prototype Services
April 27, 2008, 03:39
What kind of wood is that second rifle? Mine looks like that, but not as nice.
And where to find another spring/pin like the last pic?

Mebsuta
April 27, 2008, 06:32
It is beechwood. Check usual suspects for band springs: Sarco, eGunparts, Poppert's and them.

firewalker
April 27, 2008, 09:12
Dan44, That is a great looking rifle. Can you tell us more about it?

Dan44
April 27, 2008, 11:11
Not much, but....it's a BCD 4 WWII German K98 with a 308 barrel. I went to an estate auction and they had 5 of these. (cheap $100) I picked this one because I liked the markings better, all were like new. Shoots like a champ. Less recoil then my 8mm rifles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Dan44/belprof.jpg

panzer
April 27, 2008, 11:37
Originally posted by Mebsuta
It is beechwood. Check usual suspects for band springs: Sarco, eGunparts, Poppert's and them.

Thats where I am running into problems, the descriptions are one thing the diagram is different.... E gunparts is my usual source.

762shooter
April 27, 2008, 16:33
Here is an extra front band that I have,
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3936/bands002kv6.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bands002kv6.jpg)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2632/bands001xg8.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bands001xg8.jpg)

It is from the bottom stock, let me know if you can use it and we will work
something out.
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/527/parts002kg3.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=parts002kg3.jpg)

M1950
April 28, 2008, 09:29
Check Springfield Sporters

ssporters.com

they have the parts for 98s listed by maker or country.

RG Coburn
April 28, 2008, 19:08
Originally posted by Dan44
Not much, but....it's a BCD 4 WWII German K98 with a 308 barrel. I went to an estate auction and they had 5 of these. (cheap $100) I picked this one because I liked the markings better, all were like new. Shoots like a champ. Less recoil then my 8mm rifles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/Dan44/belprof.jpg

Interesting that its stamped .308 win. as opposed to 7.62 nato or somesuch. Danish barrel,I'm guessing?

Dan44
April 28, 2008, 20:40
It's a Belgian mark. Who built it, I have no idea.

Munster30
April 29, 2008, 08:44
Originally posted by Mebsuta
Bayone lug from Mauser 98k should slip on front end of stock. If not, what is stopping it? It is affixed with a pin. The pin from 98k should work. Upper Band from 98k should slip over bayonet lug. If your stock like pictures above, in this case it would also be affixed with a pin. If you do not have this pin, it can be improvised from nail, welding rod, drill bit shank, etc. It should be tight enough not to slip out under recoil or other hard use.

If your stock is like above, lower band from 98k should work. In this case it is affixed with band spring identical to lower band spring from Gew 98, shown in this picture for comparison.

HTH. Best I can do with teh junk that I have. Keepin it real. :D :p So are the Israeli barrel dimensions the same as the German KAR?
What I'm asking is if a KAR in 8mm would fit into an Israeli stock?

Hollis Wood
April 29, 2008, 09:35
I put an Israeli barrel on a VZ-24 action and put it in a K-98 stock, so I would say yes.

gunplumber
April 29, 2008, 10:34
The Israelis rebarreld K98s. there are dozens of variations, all are correct. The later ones has the firing pin disassembly hole on the wraparound butplate insted of center of stock.

Seriously, a million screaming towel-heads are attacking the Israelis. Do you really think they are going to not use or reject a rifle because of a different style of butplate or sling band?

Transferring the sights from one barrel to the other is challenging. I came across a stash of in-the-white Izzy barrels a few years back and after doing a few, decided it wasn't worth my time, so I sold them off.

Mebsuta
April 29, 2008, 11:20
Originally posted by Munster30
So are the Israeli barrel dimensions the same as the German KAR?
What I'm asking is if a KAR in 8mm would fit into an Israeli stock?

To my knowledge, yes, the FN Israeli barrels have the same profile as the German 98k barrels they replaced. There are FN barreled Israelis 98ks sitting in German stocks. I am assuming you mean WWII vintage 98k, not KAR.98a, which is small ring and another story.

Munster30
April 29, 2008, 22:54
Yep, WWII KAR 98. Interesting, Thanks.

panzer
May 01, 2008, 15:52
Need info on how that front band is retained, and the length of the bayo/front end cap as is used on the grooved beech stock. Apparently there are a few lenths. The one I have allows the front band to come down past it to the wood, and it loos like the front band should not come to the wood but be over metal with the front band retained by the front end pin..... this is a PITA to get the right parts for..... I will post pics tonight of what I have so far...

panzer
May 01, 2008, 16:11
You know what? Fuggit, I just bought a complete rifle, will transfer new parts over to clean it up and keep the rest for spares.... dammit. Thanks for all the help guys.

Dan44
May 01, 2008, 18:05
I was looking at that myself. And with a bayo!

panzer
May 01, 2008, 18:09
I know, I couldn't resist.... Might have a few Mauser parts for sale here soon.... ;)

Maybe even a barreled action.... and some bands.... and a stock set...

panzer
May 01, 2008, 18:57
Barreled action for sure, and a bolt. But the stock I am keeping ;)

shlomo
May 01, 2008, 22:09
I was kinda hoping that you'd find out that VZ24 parts would work. If so, I coulda fixed you right up, since I've got take-off parts from about six of them laying around after stripping them for the actions.