FNG need help with Reminton

[Militis]

Hi all

I have a Remington 1187 that is malfunctioning.

When I pull the trigger the guns goes bang but the the shell does not eject hence does not "Auto-reload"

I was told that the rem 1100 and 1187 have a rubber gas seal near the gas port. I have replaced it but still have problems with it not ejecting.

I may have put the rings back in wrong!! like a stump I did not diagram the disassembly and found myself a bit confused. I went on line and pulled a drawing up but ..... Still not right.

Please some one save me....LOL

Thanks

Chris

[Kyrottimus]

Originally posted by Militis
Hi all

I have a Remington 1187 that is malfunctioning.

When I pull the trigger the guns goes bang but the the shell does not eject hence does not "Auto-reload"

I was told that the rem 1100 and 1187 have a rubber gas seal near the gas port. I have replaced it but still have problems with it not ejecting.

I may have put the rings back in wrong!! like a stump I did not diagram the disassembly and found myself a bit confused. I went on line and pulled a drawing up but ..... Still not right.

Please some one save me....LOL

Thanks

Chris

Trade it in for one of the following:

Remington Model 870
Mossberg Model 500 or 590
Winchester Model 12
Ithaca Model 37

Find any one used and in decent shape and you won't go wrong. Save the semi-shotties for the Saiga 12's.

My $.02, FWIW

[Survey Punk]

Best I can remember The way the "seal' is put in is critical. Sounds like you're not getting enough gas. Study up your drawing again. Make sure you don't have everything drippy with oil. Just a light ammount of lube will do.
Go look at a new one or someones that functions and see how the gas parts are put together.

Good luck,
JB

[lew]

Does it seem odd to anyone else that they used a rubber o-ring in close proximity to hot gases?

[bykerhd]

That "rubber" o-ring is supposed to be something like Viton I think ?
Probably another name for rubber. Who knows ?

[bykerhd]

I found this on-line. Now I need to check mine.
11-87 gas seal assembly (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=78706)

[Gazz]

The symptom you describe sounds like it is short stroking. My 1100 will do that with target loads but it is a 3" gun and was not designed to cycle the target loads. Makes for a nice trap gun since it does not spit the empties out. Make sure there is no rust of crud built up on the mag tube. Clean it off with a little 0000 steel wool and some light oil. You may also want to check the bolt spring that is in teh butt. You have to take the bolt out to do this though but it is not that hard to do. Also, what kind of ammo are you using? The 11-87 is supposed to function with both target and heavy field loads interchangeably without any messing around with the gas system, unlike many older semi auto shotguns. Maybe your loads are to light. Viton is specific compound of rubber and withstands heat much better than the buna compound that most generic o-rings are made of. The o-ring should last quite awhile and they are cheap and easy to replace. And as mentioned before, the correct assembly of the parts is important.

[thunderchicken]

Originally posted by lew
Does it seem odd to anyone else that they used a rubber o-ring in close proximity to hot gases?

Well it was good enough for the Space Shuttle...oh no wait....maybe it is a bad idea after all.

[GOVTMOD]

Originally posted by bykerhd
I found this on-line. Now I need to check mine.
11-87 gas seal assembly (http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=78706) That pic is for a super mag (3 1/2") only. It's the same with a 3" except it doesn't use the activator, which BTW is only for use with target 3" and/or 2 3/4" loads.

There is a new piston/ring assy that locks together. You can still put it in backwards but not in the wrong order as long as its between the seal and the action arm assy.

[Militis]

HI all

Thanks for the advice

As far as it being a "rubber" ring. I tried it with a new rubber O ring from the autoparts store (one for a suzuki, as it were) On the advice of my local gun shop owner and a dealer at the last gun show in kingsport TN.

The official replacement is 35 dollars from Mahoneys sporting goods.

I guess the cheap fix is not going to cut it.

Thinking I may sell the gun for a good old reliable Pump.

I did get it to work finally but I am concerned that if the weapon is that problematic...... I don't trust it for my bedside defense.

Besides I kinda miss the sound of the slide raking :devil:

Thanks again for your help guys

-Chris

[StoneyCreekMrMauser]

Damn, Bro, you still ain't got that thing fixed? We're just gonna have to hit up Lane for some Saigas and drum mags!

[GOVTMOD]

Who told you $35? That's BS dude!

An auto O-ring is going to F up the action royally.

You can get them from Brownells for less than that.

Factory price is $4 .

Give me your address and I'll send you a couple for $9.

[StoneyCreekMrMauser]

Yep, auto O-ring is what the guys at TWO local gunshops and a gunshow told him to put in that thing. I was there, and we all thought it was weird that a rubber O-ring was supposed to go in there with all those hot gases. :confused:

[Stranger]

Originally posted by Kyrottimus

Find any one used and in decent shape and you won't go wrong. Save the semi-shotties for the Saiga 12's.



:rolleyes: My Remmy 1100 is more reliable than my buddies Saiga 12. Considering that they have been made since '63 and a still going strong says something for the design.

Originally posted by Kyrottimus

That "rubber" o-ring is supposed to be something like Viton I think ?
Probably another name for rubber. Who knows ?


You are correct it is Viton, which is a synthetic fluoropolymer specifically designed to withstand degradation from heat and chemicals. These last a long, long time. My Remmy 1100 ran thousands upon thousands of rounds with its original o-ring from the time it was made in '75 up until about two years ago when I finally decided I wanted (not needed) to replace it.

You can buy a bag of 25 Viton o-rings for about $7 from this place:

http://www.allorings.com/material_selection.htm

[Militis]

Thanks guys for the correcting us on the O ring issue. I am going to order proper vitron ring and try on last time to fix it.

If I can't fix it this time....I'LL.....:mad: ........:eek: ...try again. LOL.

When it did fire correctly I was impressed. The cyclic rate for this weapon os fantastic considering it is a shotgun.

[MD3C]

Originally posted by Militis
Hi all

I have a Remington 1187 that is malfunctioning.

When I pull the trigger the guns goes bang but the the shell does not eject hence does not "Auto-reload"

I was told that the rem 1100 and 1187 have a rubber gas seal near the gas port. I have replaced it but still have problems with it not ejecting.

I may have put the rings back in wrong!! like a stump I did not diagram the disassembly and found myself a bit confused. I went on line and pulled a drawing up but ..... Still not right.

Please some one save me....LOL

Thanks

Chris


Would using lowbase matter? I've only shot highbase stuff in my 11-87 with no problems.
M

[GOVTMOD]

Originally posted by MD3C



Would using lowbase matter? I've only shot highbase stuff in my 11-87 with no problems.
M Yes, if you shoot low brass and it doesn't work. but in a second o-ring.