WTS C1A1 8L barreled receivers

[Brad]

Here is the plan, I am setting up the purchase of correctly machined and marked Canadian C1A1 8L receivers… This will consist of a new production Entreprise type 3 metric receiver (read gunplumbers current review) and a excellent condition Imbel metric barrel. The receiver will be converted to a correct Canadian C1A1 8L pattern and the barrel will be converted to a C1A1 inch pattern, the threads will be right hand and it will have an inch gas block installed.

The receiver will be marked: RIFLE 7.62mm C1A1 8L C. A. L. 1968
And maybe a FTR 08 somewhere on the receiver and barrel just because we can…

In the end you will receive a correctly machined and marked, freshly parkerized C1A1 8L barreled receiver ready for assembly with your parts kit…

The price for the whole package should be in the $800 + / - range with a required 50% deposit to get on the list…

This is just an interest thread, so please post if you are interested in this project, and when the time comes and I have a fixed price, I will ask for a deposit if you want to get on the order list

Brad

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[C2A1]

Count me in for two recievers. Any savings if I provide my own barrels?

[mp]

Stripped receiver option? If so, I am interested in one.

[Brad]

Well Since it looks like two out of the two who have responded so far do not want the barrel, I will work up two price options... One with the barrel and one without...

[prosecond]

British cuts please!!!!!!!

[badgerord]

Count me in, I will take 1.

Thanks
Marty

[sturmgrenadiere]

I would be in for one receiver for sure, maybe two.

I know a few of us have PM'd each other and posted the prospect of Entreprise doing this. I was actually working today on a letter to them specifically requesting if they could do a run like this. Have you already talked to them, or simply getting a sample of interest to see if you can build a case to them?

I don’t want to muddy the waters if you are already negotiating something.

And of course... if they can do Canuk pattern... can they do Brit... given the parts kits out there, they could tap a nice niche market.

Regards

Ben

[Headhunter11]

I'd be interested in a British cut.

[Brad]

This is going to be a three-stage process... I have already talked to Entreprise and they will make us (on special order) a type three receiver with a custom serial number in the correct location. These will still be soft receivers in the white with no hardening... They will be shipped out to our smith will do the inch pattern cuts, they will them be shipped back to Entreprise for hardening, parkerization, the installation of a barrel is so desired...

I need some good pics of the British cuts so I can get a price on having the work done if you all want them…

Brad

[sturmgrenadiere]

Who is the smith doing the work? Anything proven or already done? I ask because if Entreprise is not doing the work, what "protection" do we have if things go terribly wrong. I only ask because I lost two perfectly good Imbel inch receivers during the Rapid-Fire fiasco in 2005 when they mis-milled them (for those that remember that fun). Not saying anything like that will happen again, given our collective attuned attention to detail on an endeavor like this.

PM me your email and I’ll send you some good Brit pics, but receiver portions are out there with all the cuts, owned by members on the board. One PM'd me yesterday because I was looking for a sample to use for this very endeavor. Getting your hands on one for a pattern will be no problem (better then pics… eh?). It won’t be a complete receiver (it'll be cut up) but that's all you'd need to get the basic dimensions and radius of the cuts, FWIW...

Any while we're all starting to get giddy with the prospects... if these are 8L marked, is anyone lined up to mill the gas block and mod it to accept the removable front sight ears for the 8L pattern?

The name Brad will be talked about many a fire at night for ages to come if this is successful...

[Brad]

Board member Moses of the CMP armoury has agreed to do the machineing on the receivers for this special production run...

Go ahead and post a few good pics of the British receiver here for refrence; and the 8L gasblocks are being worked on as well...

Brad

P.S. And yes they will be 8L marked...

[sturmgrenadiere]

Moses has a history of good work... this is great news!

[Blue Monster]

Count me in

[c1-eh1]

if you in need of the rare front sight ears , send me a PM .

[mp]

Originally posted by sturmgrenadiere
Any while we're all starting to get giddy with the prospects... if these are 8L marked, is anyone lined up to mill the gas block and mod it to accept the removable front sight ears for the 8L pattern?

Working on an 8L gas block conversion project as we speak. I have one in my hand to have him reverse engineer...... Maybe we should get together collectively to ensure we are not doubling up on our efforts....

[maximushuntermus]

I would definetly be in for a British cut reciever only option !!!

[Adventurer_96]

Receiver only - count me in.

[adam762]

Originally posted by mp


Working on an 8L gas block conversion project as we speak. I have one in my hand to have him reverse engineer...... Maybe we should get together collectively to ensure we are not doubling up on our efforts....

I think Pat Jones (SLR-5000) already did this. Perhaps he is sold out of them, perhaps not. I know I parkerized quite a few for him a year ago.

Not trying to rain on your parade, just maybe save some time and perhaps money if they already exist.

[raexcct2]

Brad,

I am definitely in for one receiver for sure and possibly a second to finish my C2A1.

I just wish you had started this post earlier as I already sent my C1A1 (8L) parts kit a couple of months ago to Jason at IGF to build on a DSA L1A1 receiver and a modified DSA G-1 barrel.

[mp]

Originally posted by adam762


I think Pat Jones (SLR-5000) already did this. Perhaps he is sold out of them, perhaps not. I know I parkerized quite a few for him a year ago.

Not trying to rain on your parade, just maybe save some time and perhaps money if they already exist.

Sold out with no plans to make more last time I checked.......

[Falfegnügen]

I'm definitely in for an 8L receiver. Brit too, if that materializes.

[sigslipper]

Thanks for letting me know about this thread.

Currently, we are producing only T3 receivers. However, there has been a flurry of interest (keep it coming if you haven't voiced your opinion yet - either here or via email to kmwchow(AT)gmail(DOT.)com ).

Tomorrow is my next scheduled meeting with EAI admin. I will bring this up, along with a copy of this thread.

I also have a Canadian C1 Stripper Clip top cover that was gifted to me by a master armorer in the candian military. I will try to see if we can start making those. I have compared them to the DSA ones and they are different - also, the DSA ones don't work well at all, unlike the C1 real ones. Clips used were M14 clips. Not to be dumping on DSA, only noting that the C1 top cover works REALLY well. Could be my DSA is defective, but that's what I've seen so far.

Kev

[sturmgrenadiere]

Kev

Make Brit cut L1A1 receivers.

Make late pattern Canadian cut C1A1 receivers.

Make sure you thoroughly scrutinize the prototype for proper contour and appearance.

With ALL the L1A1 kits out there, they will sell. In the thousands... doubt it. But a few hundred of each. Just a matter of time. And them maybe more... who knows. A quality item will stand the test of time.

DSA sold out every run of inch receivers. There is not lack of market. They have their economic needs to keep churning out metric type 1's and no more inch receivers for a while. So be it. Fill the niche. Basic tactics: find the gap and exploit it.

"We" need a legitimate British profile cut receiver (to me they appear to be "easier" to make with the straight lightening cuts, compared to the radius cuts of the Aussie pattern, but I am not a machinist).

"We" also want the later pattern C1A1 receivers for the unique nature of these rifles.

Please keep us all posted.

Regards

Ben

[raexcct2]

I second the British cut receiver in addition to the C1A1 receivers. I have a primo British kit just waiting for a correct receiver to build on.

[Brad]

Do any of you have a machinist in mind that can do the British inch pattern conversion and markings to a type three metric receiver???

[Falfegnügen]

I'll second what sturmgrenadiere said. I personally have two C1A1 kits, and I won't build them until I get the right receiver, even if I have to do it myself.

There are many British kits out there that need receivers, I have several. Also don't forget there are some Indian kits that would take the same style of receiver.

Whomever finally brings a British style L1A1 receiver to market can be assured of selling each and every one as quickly as they can make them, as long as it's a quality receiver. I would recommend trying to make it as authentic as possible, and with custom serial numbers. I'd definitely pay more for this.

[Brad]

I'm still working on this...

I need a head count... If we could only build one style... British or Canadian...

Which one should we do???

B

[Barbcue]

British !

im in for at least 2 either way

:D

[raexcct2]

Canadian!!!

[Blue Monster]

Brit

[Barbcue]

way more BRIT kits out there waitng for correct receiver's !

need 2 British (at least) and 2 Indian


BRITISH !

:D

[raexcct2]

"way more Brit kits waiting for correct receivers!

That may be true; even I have a spare Brit kit for my ARS Imbel inch receivered British L1A1 but I still want Canadian.

[prosecond]

I will take 2 British.

[Falfegnügen]

British.


My order of preference:
British
Indian (same as British, except for markings, more or less...)
Canadian C1A1-8L
Australian

[C2A1]

Canadian (but I would consider a couple of british).

[sturmgrenadiere]

Tough choice...

Brit are significantly more common...

The late pattern "8L" C1A1 we all desire to build wasn’t even issued to the troops, from what I understand, or was done so on a very limited basis.

Ultimately it would be the attention to detail to either type that will be important.

One could "theoretically" mod a DSA inch to the C1A1 "look" by widening the mag well external relief cut. Granted, the radius of one of the other external relief cuts will not be correct, and the internal lightening cuts will also be incorrect. But what can you do.

However, there is no way to reasonably mod an existing Type 1 or DSA inch receiver to brit cuts. So maybe Brit is a wise way to go?

Of course, I say do both.

Again, true attention to detail is the key….

[Rudolf]

Build a british and I want one....want one want one please!!!!!!

[prosecond]

British, PLEASE!

[paladin]

I need 4 British and 2 Canadian please...Andy

[gska3873]

British!

[Thorack]

1 Brit cut receiver for me please please please!!!!!

Thorack

[Brian in MN]

I vote Brit. There are a lot of us out there sitting on Brit kits wishing we had a Brit style receiver.

I think doing the 8L may be a mistake. Any Canadian parts are scarce, 8L parts are by far the toughest.

[fal fiend]

any new news here ? i need a brit

[RRotz]

what's the status on this? 1x BRIT.

[snogler]

I will take 1 of anything you guys come up with as long as its inch.

[sturmgrenadiere]

I talked to entreprise about two months ago on this. they will indeed sell a type III metric receiver, but with inch mag, cover, and charging handle cuts for approx $400. So all we need is an interprid smith to do the external profile cuts...

[CGinCT]

I'm interested in 1 or 2 Brit receivers.

Is there going to be a cost for the external profile machining in addition to the approx $400 that Enterprise will be charging?

CG

[sturmgrenadiere]

Yep for whoever does it. Entreprise will make a Type III rec with the "inch cuts", we need to find someone to do the external profile milling.

[prosecond]

two brit cut please!

[azcraig54]

I need at least two.

[sturmgrenadiere]

Did this die with the Entreprise announcement to do Brit receivers? Is Moses still up for milling Type IIIs into a C1A1 profile?

[Falfegnügen]

Modifying a Type-III for a C1/C1A1 the problem I see is the lightening cuts in front of the pivot pin. Only way I can figure to do that is to weld metal there, and that's going to ruin the heat treat right in an area where it's probably needed the most, and probably make some goofy looking park.

The bigger question I have, not being in the know on the 8L, is what and how to install the 8L style ejector block? I have the small removable portion of the 8L block, but have no idea how it works, or what the other permantently installed half of it is. I've searched high and low, asked question from those I thought might know, and am still in the dark on this. Another files member has offered to send me some documents, and I'm hoping they may clear it up. Surely someone here knows?