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Ben Rogers
March 27, 2008, 18:05
I'm trying to find an M14 / M1A rifle, with an 18" barrel and forged components (as opposed to stamped).

My preference is for USGI components, but I'm a cheap bastard, so I'll take what I can get as long as they aren't the cheapo stamped and/or Chinese versions.

As I said, I'm a cheapo bastard, so I'm looking for a "deal"--and that means I'm willing to take one that's not as pretty.

If you know where such a creature can be found, please direct me... :)

This will be my SHTF gun, it will not be something I stick over the mantle and let everyone admire. Frankly, the fewer people who know I have it, the better.

gunshack
March 27, 2008, 19:35
Commercial M14 receivers are either investment cast, machined from billet or forged. None have ever been stamped, that's a process that only works for sheet metal.

I'm a cheep bastard too, but at some point I learned the right way to save money is to buy the best right from the start. It may look like you're spending more at first, but it saves you money in the long run.

www.lrbarms.com

2barearms
March 27, 2008, 19:58
With respect to the M14 type rifle cheap and forged are mutually exclusive.

Ssarge
March 27, 2008, 20:21
Well, if you don't want Chinese, and you want cheap, you are pretty much SOL.
Unless you find someone with a stolen LRB, it just isn't happening with all the items you want on the cheap.
You'll be just fine with a good used SA Inc. Scout or Bush with as many USGI parts as possible, so an older rifle is in order. Keep an eye on auctionarms.com, I bought 2 NIB pre-ban, all TRW, (except the receivers of course) SAI's for $1200 each a couple of years ago. There still are deals out there if you look and have the cash on hand.

voortrekker
March 27, 2008, 21:58
Ben Rogers,

This my advice :

I would not buy a new(pre- 85,000) SA M1A.

Instead, I would keep my eye out for a Springfield Armory M1A that is pre-85,00( that will have all USGI parts if orginal from factory). Last good deal I saw on one was a 18,XXX prestine SA M1A at $1700 private sale. A month and a half ago. Gun show.

The other alternatives that I would recommend is a M1A built by Fulton Armory, LRB, or Smith Enterprises. Here you are looking at $2100 minimum.

If you go this way, I'd buy a LRB receiver.

Always go USGI parts, Always = they don't break.

The fact is, if you want a M1A for your MBR, go with as many USGI parts as possible.

It won't be cheap.

BUT, a well built M1A will serve you well.

You can count on that.

A good rack grade( basic ) M1A will easily allow one with basic rifle marksmanship to put 10 rounds in a 10 inch circle at 400 yards.

The M1A was made for that. The M1A is a "Rifleman's" rifle.

Also, I recommend getting the full length 22" barrel instead of 18".

Why? Think, get the most out of your rounds. Trajectory.

Need something for short range = shotgun.

Need something out of the house?

M1A, own the "Rifleman's Quarter Mile". 500 yards with iron sights.



Good luck.

Ssarge
March 28, 2008, 00:41
voortrekker, I do have to disagree with one thing you have posted. The SN# range of SAI rifles has nothing much to do with the amount of USGI parts found on the rifle. I have owned M1A's from the late '70's and early '80's that had very few USGI parts on them. They even had a recall for cast bolts at one time during that time frame! At least the current crop of M1As has a forged bolt.
The M1A's that consistently have the most USGI parts, but not the most desirable receiver, marked Rifle 7.62mm, are the standard models from the early 90's. (both just pre-ban and ban rifles) This was when the most USGI parts were available from a large influx of parts that just hadn't been available at any time before.
Otherwise, very sound advice.

captk
March 28, 2008, 08:34
I also wanted an M14 clone with all USGI parts. I have learned my lesson about "cheap' and getting what you want. I ended up buying 1 complete rifle built with all USGI parts (TRW) on an Armscorp receiver. The rifle came with some extra mags and a bunch of tools and ammo for the M14 for $1,300. The rifle looks great and I am hoping to try it out tomorrow. It was built on a preban receiver so I am able to have the flash hider with the bayo lug here in NY. I also purchased an all Winchester GI parts kit with another Armscorp receiver that is being built. I hope to have that back in a few weeks. Although the Winchester M14 will cost me more then I originally planned, I know what it's built with and and happy knowing that I have what I wanted and not settled. I have seen a number of M1A's in the $1,200 range built on USGI parts. You have to look around and be patient.
Ken

wolfsburgbob
March 28, 2008, 10:03
I sold all of my American (Springfield) M1As long ago when I realized that not only did most (not all) of the so called high quality American companys use whatever they could get their hands upon to build rifles (including Taiwanese/ChiCom parts), but that the Norinco/Polytech Chinese guns were probably better than the others right out of the box!

And they do it for.... one half of the money!

CaptK,...Ken,..got a real nice deal on a fine rifle. If you can find a complete one like he did, buy it. Most sellers ask more! Good find Kenny!

As Ken also says, building high quality from scratch cost MORE than a good deal on a complete rifle,..but,..you have a masterpiece after it is built.

So,....

If you will not be attending the National Matches at Camp Perry soon, and just want a good rifle.......find a decent Norinco/Poly, find a NEW USGI bolt, maybe a USGI barrel-maybe not, maybe more parts like a gas piston assembly- maybe not, have it worked over by Warbird, put it in a USGI fibreglass stock, and you'll have MORE than you need, for less money than some cast receiver piece of _ _ _ _ that has MORE Chinese parts in it than a Chinese M-14s does.

Do a bolt conversion, or if you don't/can't let someone else help you. If Warbird does your bolt, you will sleep like a baby.

Chink receivers rule.

DYNOMIKE
March 28, 2008, 17:13
In MY very Limited Experience the Concept or the WORD CHEAP, and M-14 simply DON'T go together..

Cheap and M-14 COMPLETE Polar Opposites, like Salt and Pepper, Black and White, Up and Down, or DAY and Night.. NO such thing as CHEAP..

That being Said I have done Several deals with CaptK and am aware of the Rifle he bought.. It is a SWEET piece and easily worth MORE the the Sum of it's Parts.. Ken did GREAT and I am happy for him.. BTW I await the Range report Bud.. :beer:

Just like it always Is in this hobbie the Ones with the X-TRA scratch and NO deadline for a Piece will almost always find the deals..

After building ONE I now would love to have another except this time I will "TRY" to be the One waiting on the wings for JUST the RIGHT deal to jump out and smack me.. :wink:

Rotor
March 28, 2008, 17:16
I wish I could have found Chianeese receiver. It's a good start....if your as cheap as you say?

Like others, I just had to wait and trade and scrounge and whore for better and better parts.


Get some of these....

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/th_M14PartsKit2.jpg (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/M14PartsKit2.jpg)


....put em on one of these.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/Receivers/th_LRBright.jpg (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/Receivers/LRBright.jpg)


And you get one of these.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/LRB%20Done/th_BigRedWalnutHeel2.jpg (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/LRB%20Done/BigRedWalnutHeel2.jpg)


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/LRB%20Done/th_LRBDoneLeft.jpg (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M14/LRB%20Done/LRBDoneLeft.jpg)




JR

DYNOMIKE
March 28, 2008, 18:05
GITYA one of These....

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P7070113.jpg

Add all of This.....
Barrel NOT in PIC..

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P9060204.jpg

Send to a Good Smith and ya Git one of These back... :biggrin: :whiskey:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/P2150035-1.jpg

Damn I LOVE these Rifles......

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/DSC_0024-1.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj295/DYNOMIKE_photos/dynom14-4-1.jpg

wolfsburgbob
March 28, 2008, 20:16
DAMN!

:wink:

rff67
March 29, 2008, 00:41
http://www.m-14forum.com/upload/showthread.php?t=54073

Andy the Aussie
March 29, 2008, 00:47
Nice rifle Mike....!!!!!!!! But you knew that already .... ;)

DYNOMIKE
March 29, 2008, 07:56
Originally posted by wolfsburgbob
DAMN!

:wink:

I guess you approve huh Wolfie?? :whiskey:

Why Thank you ANDY, it is good to know that although out Vehicle choices are MUCH different (YOUR Choice is wrong) we still admire quality in a Similar light..
The New M-14 Forum and this thread seemed a Good place to post (Re-post) a couple PICS.. :biggrin:

wolfsburgbob
March 30, 2008, 07:13
Originally posted by DYNOMIKE


I guess you approve huh Wolfie?? :whiskey:

:biggrin:

:whiskey: :whisky:

zampilot
March 31, 2008, 16:42
Hey Dynomike,
My Armscorp is within 30 of yours! Any idea when yours was manufactured?
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=289321#post289321

WCG
April 02, 2008, 18:32
Dynomike
Good to see ya.........:beer:

There's no such thing as a bad M14/M1A (unless it's out of tolerance), some are just better than others.

LRB's are always good.

SAI have been real good. If it isn't, there's always the warranty.

Chinese receivers are good if ya want a low cost forgy.

Armscorp receivers can be good but, make sure someone checks it before committing a life long ownership to one.
These receivers have had more problems over the years than those from SAI.

Most will be OK but, I've seen serious problems like those from Sarco.
Even some sold directly from Armscorp were out of tolerance.
These should be checked before buying one unless you know who the builder was.

The value may go down on these over time due to no warranty now.
If ya got a good one, keep it.
The last bad Armscorp receiver I saw was TFL080 about 2 months ago.
Oh, there's no warranty on Armscorp receivers anymore either.

DYNOMIKE
April 03, 2008, 16:36
Originally posted by zampilot
Hey Dynomike,
My Armscorp is within 30 of yours! Any idea when yours was manufactured?

No Sir I'm afraid I don't?? I bought it from a Bud in Texas for this Build..
So far so good but I'm still trying her out.. Hope to get Her out again this weekend... Still working on ammo selection and familiarizing myself with the M-14.. I have/had very little experience with these rifles prior to this build.

I hope you are pleased with Yours though... :whiskey:

Originally posted by WCG
Dynomike
Good to see ya.........:beer:

The value may go down on these over time due to no warranty now.
If ya got a good one, keep it.
The last bad Armscorp receiver I saw was TFL080 about 2 months ago.
Oh, there's no warranty on Armscorp receivers anymore either.

Thank you Sir and You as well... :beer:
It is good to see you posting here I must say.. You were quite a gentleman to me and I appreciate that very much..

I must say the Warranty think has me a BIT troubled but I would guess IF there is a Prob it will show up quickly??
Keeping my Fingers crossed that I got one of the Good ones.. :wink:

zampilot
April 03, 2008, 17:04
I put two mags thru it at a quicky range trip, had two ragged holes about an inch across each, at 25 meters rapid fire. So far so good. Mine was done up by GAP I'm told.

Ssarge
April 03, 2008, 17:26
I'm happy with my SAI's, but would love to have an LRB all USGI build by Warbird some day! All I need is the receiver and a barrel.

Rifleman 7.62 NATO
April 03, 2008, 23:08
Gotta throw my vote towards an Armscorp as well. I have one with ALL USGI parts, got it for under $1400.00 and am very pleased.

Groucho
April 04, 2008, 07:46
To answer the original post/question, you won't find super inexpensive good quality M14 parts. Others have already said that. IMHO, they are correct.

Second, I really wish you folks had not informed me of LRB. I hadn't heard of them before since I must live in a cave or something. I was (and am) quite happy with my SAI M1A with all GI parts. I bought it back when they were just under $1000.00. I'm on my third barrel and really love that rifle.

Then you wise guys had to (just had to) mention this new (to me) company with a forged receiver. I went to their web site. Suddenly I'm trying to figure out how to come up with the money for a barreled action. A receiver complete with an integral rail?!!?? OMG, that's a dream of mine!

Here I am, trying to save up for a progressive loader and you animals have to parade these beauties in front of these tired old eyes.

I think you did this on purpose. You want to see Groucho in the poor house, don't you! It's a plot.

Groucho

Rotor
April 04, 2008, 09:37
Why shouldn't you be broke like the rest of us.


JR

JohnnyReb
April 14, 2008, 21:17
What do you guys think an all Springfield Armory USGI parts kit built on a forged Polytech receiver by Clayton Smith of West Texas Ordnance resting in one of my most fantastic refinished stocks is worth?

$1750 shipped?

I'd say that's a reasonable price!