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ProGun1
March 19, 2008, 18:20
Who made them with wood grips, with or without adjustable sites, and before the key lock was introduced? Model numbers would help in my search. I know of the S&W 1917, model 1950, and S&W Brazilian contract 1937. Did Taurus or Rossi make them earlier? Thank you.

bykerhd
March 19, 2008, 19:10
Pre-lock S & W Model 25 and 625 were made in both .45acp and .45 Colt.
I don't think Rossi ever offered any .45s in the U.S. Taurus acquired Rossi.
Taurus has offered .45s. I don't know if they've offered .45 acp though.

Retired Bum
March 19, 2008, 21:55
Colt made the US Army Model 1917 during WW One. About 151,000 or so. Production after the war consisted mainly of war time parts being finished and assembled and sold as the Colt New Service. There was also the Colt Shooting Master which was a tuned and target sighted version of the NS.

I've owned two S&W M1917's, one Brazilian Contract 1937, one Model 25-2 and one Model 625-2.

Unless you are willing to settle for one of the Taurus five shooters, the only current model available is the S&W 625.

And so it goes.


The Retired One

BUFF
March 19, 2008, 22:00
Currently, S&W makes stainless steel .45 ACP revolvers, the Model 625, with adjustable sights. They also make a blue, fixed sight 4 incher called a Model 22-4 but it has an internal lock. They also have a run of new Model 1917's available, but just about all current S&W revolvers have the internal lock.

They have made a real variety in the last few years and many of these are available used or already-owned. The basic Model 625 has adjustable sights and a full length barrel underlug. They were most common with 5 inch barrels but were also made with 3 and 4 inch tubes.

S&W made several runs of "Mountain Guns" in the M-625 series. These have a graceful, slender barrel of 4 inches that is shaped like the Model 27 and 28 barrels, with just an ejector rod shroud on the barrels bottom.

The classic post-war .45 ACP revolver from S&W is the Target Model of 1955, known as the Model 25 after 1957. 6 or 6-1/2 inch barrels, adjustable sights. The longest run was the Model 25-2, discontinued about 1980. It differs from the Target Model of 1950 primarily by having a heavy, non-tapered barrel, while the 1950 has the slender, tapered barrel. The 1950 is also numbered as the Model 26 from 1957 to it's 1966 discontinuance.

ProGun1
March 19, 2008, 23:12
These are some great detailed replies. Thanks for the help guys.

skwang
March 22, 2008, 10:37
Ruger had a blackhawk that came with a 45 colt and 45 acp cylinders.

PMELTECH
March 22, 2008, 20:09
I have a Ruger Blackhawk with the 45 acp/Long Colt cylinders. I love it. I also had some work done to it to slick up the action which included some Power Custom parts. I am also in the process of ordering a Jerry Miculek/S&W 625 .45 acp custom shop revolver. I have had the opportunity to fire two of these S&W custom shop pistols on several occasions and they are sweet right out of the box. A friend of mine that I work with bought one six months ago and we head out to the range every two weeks. That pistol has a great action and the accuracy is damn good (1 1/2 inch group at 25 yards on a rest). The wood grip is a bit different but feels great in my hands. In my opinion it really helps me in the double action style shooting. I am normally an auto pistol shooter but some of the revolvers nowadays are just outstanding. If you want a double action in .45 acp, I highly recomend it. It may be a custom shop piece but for the extra the work that is done to it, it is a good deal for the money. If you can compare it side by side with a stock 625, you will see why. But a stock 625 is no slouch either so please don't flame me ladies and gents.

USMC 0341
March 22, 2008, 20:20
I would really like a 45 ACP double action revolver but the MSRP I see on the S&W models al start above $1,000 and go up from there.

I was hoping to pay something more like $600 for a gun in nice shape.

At those prices I think I'll just get another 1911 clone.

BUFF
March 22, 2008, 20:50
Nobody pays MSRP for a S&W revolver these days. $1,000 guns generally sell for $750-$800 in most shops, or, check the net and have a local FFL do the transfer.

REMBASS
March 23, 2008, 09:00
Those with a brit-fetish will swear by a break-top Webley or Enfield .455 revolver with the cylinder shaved down to take .45ACP. One example for sale here:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/976976411/Guns/Pistols/Webley-Pistols/Webley_Mk_VI_Pattern_Enfield_Revolver_45_ACP_45_Au to_Rim.htm

Hot loads are not recommended for a break-top revolver. Some Schofield replicas also have a .45ACP cylinder as an option.

Rayman
March 23, 2008, 18:42
Taurus made a 45ACP in 4 and 6 inch in the Tracker series. The current S&W Ti 45ACP is nice. I replaced the current grips with combat grips and wish they had an old style front sight instead of the fiber tube but they shoot well.

90north
March 29, 2008, 20:31
REMBASS which Schofield has the .45ACP option?

REMBASS
April 01, 2008, 19:51
The one I saw was a Cimarron, made by Armi San Marco. Haven't seen one in a while so it may be out of production. I would guess that the option was a spare cylinder, shaved down to use moon clips for .45ACP. Same conversion method used on the Webleys.

tommyjoe
April 01, 2008, 22:57
S&W has also made several very light weight revolvers in the last few years. The 325PD was a scandium-titanium 6 shot 4" gun that weighed 24ozs or so. The new Thunder Ranch has a stainless steel cylinder and aluminum or scandium frame adj. sights and weighs 29 ozs. Both very nice 45 carry guns and not to bad to shoot.

CRShooter32
April 02, 2008, 11:01
Had one of the Taurus Trackers in .45 acp, trigger was a bit gritty, other than that, it was a good well made handgun. Only problem was the flimsy moon clips they were thin, much thinner than S&W clips, bent easily, had to be ordered direct from Taurus, and were not cheap. I do miss that revolver at times, but it went in trade for my 686, which I will not give up.

gunsmoke
April 05, 2008, 20:19
I've got several 1917s and one 1950 Target, one, 1950 M & P but my favorite is a model of 1988.

That is a 625 with 5 inch full under lug L-frame-size round butt and factory rubber gripper type stocks, I got a real bargin when I bought it for $300 off auction arms a few years ago, it's the best balanced large revolver I have and I like keeping ammo options available in different moon clips. It came with a very good trigger ( S & W smooth, wide combat) and slick action.

A great shooting versatile handgun.

SmokeEater2
April 06, 2008, 03:48
These are both Cimarrons in .45 Colt. the top one has a .45 acp cylinder fitted to it also and it's as easy to reload as any cartridge I can think of. OAL is not a problem and lead bullet loads are fairly cheap. When my lead bullet stash runs dry I'm going to suffer sticker shock though I'm afraid.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa179/SmokeEater_photos/000_0146_edited.jpg

Bawana jim
April 06, 2008, 10:56
You guys with Model 25s, try a load with 5.6 grains of 231 behind a 200 grain lead semi wadcutter. It is a medium load but shoots one hole in all the 25s I have ever shot it in.

jim

win308
April 06, 2008, 11:55
I have 2 625s in 45acp. Both are model of 1989.....no lock and dead accurate with standard ball ammo. Look for a nice used 1989.

gunsmoke
April 06, 2008, 12:23
Originally posted by win308
I have 2 625s in 45acp. Both are model of 1989.....no lock and dead accurate with standard ball ammo. Look for a nice used 1989.

1989s they are 4" correct? Do they have the full underlug or are they tapered with std. lug? What kind of grip sq. or rd.?

badt00d
April 06, 2008, 16:11
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll75/badt00d/001.jpg
Hope my pic isn't to big, just tryin to learn how to do this.
Model 625-4 45 ACP-AutoRim-"Serviced" By Cylinder & Slide

win308
April 06, 2008, 19:19
Yes...underlug all the way. My other one is 5 inch.....don't know about 4 inch 1989. I know there are 625s that are 4 inch, just don't know about the 1989 version. Paid $500 out the door for each of mine....one new 6 years ago and one used 2 years ago.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/win308/252.jpg

gunsmoke
April 06, 2008, 21:23
http://www.gunsamerica.com/976970369/Guns/Pistols/Smith-Wesson-Revolvers/Full-Frame-Revolver/S_W_Model_1989_45_ACP_Fre_Shipping.htm

Here's a listing on GunsAmerica for a model of 1989 4".

I've never seen the 89 in any other bbl until you posted the picyure of yours. But then I'm really into pre-1959 smiths and I'm really not that familiar with the '80's production pieces, I only have two myself the Mdl of 1988 and a 24-3.

TXscout
April 06, 2008, 22:10
Not mine, but here's a Taurus 2" at sigforum:

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/3761080121

BUFF
April 07, 2008, 01:00
The "Model 1989" M-625 came in 3, 4 and 5 inch variants, all with the full underlug barrels. The first year of these, the Model 1988, was just in 5 inch and was called the Model 625-2.

Oddly, there was no Model 625-1.

trucksurfer
April 07, 2008, 13:47
I have a 625 Mountain Gun in 45 Colt, and love the hell out of it! Who need ACP when you can have Colt!

dogngun
April 07, 2008, 15:12
I bought a Brazilian Contract S&W DA .45 for my 60th birthday last year.
I have been shooting handguns since the early 1970's, and this has become my favorite DA revolver, and I recommend one to anyone who wants a high quality, non-lock revolver. It's a finely made machine, and no one makes anything near as good today at any price.

FWIW, I also have 2 1911's and 2 .45 Colt SAA's.
ADDED: Buying a Colt 1917 now, .45 ACP, will be picking it up early next week.
Crude looking compared to the Smith, but it looks tough, and I could not pass it up. Just stumbeled on it- was browsing the gun cases waiting for my background check to be completed.


mark

gunsmoke
April 07, 2008, 21:42
My favorite REVOLVER .45 ACP is

Hi-Skor 800-X 9.5 grains behind 265gr Keith (Lyman 454424) cast and sized to .454.

I also load this in AR cases. It's stiff but not outrageously so. Very very accurate in ALL MY ACP revolvers, Blackhawk and all the S & Ws.

Ideal 454309 is a tough bullet too with same load.

Both bullets also work VERY WELL IN LC.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff70/FREDSFAMIYFOTOS/BULLETS.jpg

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FURTHER TO THE SCHOFIELD mentioned above: Does anybody know of who if anyone has them I'd sure be interested in a pair of Wells Fargo (5") Schofields with spare ACP cylinders.

Clark
April 09, 2008, 01:05
I have a 25-2.
24 gr H110, 230 gr Montana Gold FMJ, 1.4" OAL, Lee Factory crimp, 45auto rim brass.

This recoils like full house 44 mag in my 29-4.


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I would like a snub nosed 45acp 5 shot made of Scandium.
Very small, light, and concealable for concealed carry.

trucksurfer
April 09, 2008, 07:39
Originally posted by Clark
I have a 25-2.
24 gr H110, 230 gr Montana Gold FMJ, 1.4" OAL, Lee Factory crimp, 45auto rim brass.

This recoils like full house 44 mag in my 29-4.


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I would like a snub nosed 45acp 5 shot made of Scandium.
Very small, light, and concealable for concealed carry.

You won't have that for very long shooting a load like that. May I recommend Cylinder and Slide when you need to have it retimed.

Clark
April 10, 2008, 20:25
Originally posted by trucksurfer


You won't have that for very long shooting a load like that. May I recommend Cylinder and Slide when you need to have it retimed.

Do you have information on loads vs timing?
How are you predicting that?

I have overstressed allot of revolvers, and the prediction of what ever it takes to get them rotationally sloppy has eluded me. It happens quickly sometimes, and sometimes never.

jdmcomp
April 17, 2008, 19:58
Just my interest, why not have the lock and not use it? I have to admit that I have several of these revolvers, two 1917s, one Smith and one colt, a Webley, and a Brazilian. All shoot very well indeed. My Smith is a new one, looks great and the lock is hardly noticed and I understand can be easily removed if it really bothers you. I would have prefered a dull finish like the WWI pistols and did replace the grips with smooth type for the look.

Tiberius
April 20, 2008, 14:52
Originally posted by REMBASS
[B]Those with a brit-fetish will swear by a break-top Webley or Enfield .455 revolver with the cylinder shaved down to take .45ACP.

Not a good idea. Even the standard 230gr ball loading of .45 ACP is way hotter than .455 MkII. If you have a shaved revolver it would be wise to work up handloads scaled down to .455 level, otherwise your Webley will look like this one.

http://www.fototime.com/161988E99A244E7/orig.jpg

win308
April 21, 2008, 21:23
The 5 inch 625 with wood stocks looks the best in my opinion, (model of 1989). (Same gun as above....different wood).

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/win308/DSCN0063.jpg

REMBASS
April 26, 2008, 07:02
Originally posted by Tiberius


Not a good idea. Even the standard 230gr ball loading of .45 ACP is way hotter than .455 MkII. If you have a shaved revolver it would be wise to work up handloads scaled down to .455 level, otherwise your Webley will look like this one.

http://www.fototime.com/161988E99A244E7/orig.jpg



"Nice" pic. That's why only the brit fetishists push this Webley "conversion" hack. Sane people should stick with other revolvers for .45ACP.

ThePitbullofLove
April 26, 2008, 12:27
You could always kick it "Old School"...
http://images110.fotki.com/v569/photos/2/28682/2583438/IMG_3829-vi.jpg

Timber Wolf
April 27, 2008, 12:43
Nothing wrong with old school, except maybe chipped grips. ; )

ThePitbullofLove
April 27, 2008, 12:47
Originally posted by Timber Wolf
Nothing wrong with old school, except maybe chipped grips. ; )

You can't expect perfection on a pistol you got in a straight trade for a $79.00 AIM Indian rebuild No4 mkI, can you? :biggrin:

Hey, he named the price...:beer: :p :beer:

gunsmoke
April 27, 2008, 13:26
Man them is some nice lookin 1917s. :bow:

:whiskey: :whiskey:

:whiskey: :whiskey:

There really is something about those 1917s that I like too. All that I have have been superb shooters. Very easy to handle, whomever came up with the moonclip idea was just a genius. It has a lot to do with making them fun to shoot too.

jdmcomp
April 27, 2008, 15:33
limeyinaz

How is that going to work? Won't the 45 Colt have the case base extending out of the cylinder (and unsupported on firing) due to the shaving? Also, the 45 Colt has a larger case diameter then the 45 ACP. I would run from this one if your description is correct as it sounds dangerous to shoot.

bykerhd
April 27, 2008, 16:10
jdmcomp, it's a conversion done on the .45 Colt version. NOT the .45 acp version. The cylinder is a bit longer than needed for the .45 acp.
I can't believe the case diameters are much different. Or, it doesn't seem to matter enough to bother. A friend of mine has one of those also.

jdmcomp
April 27, 2008, 16:51
Got it, my eyes caught what looked like a 45 Colt round laying in the case and I thought he meant he was shooting both rounds out of a single gun. Now I see that it only handles 45acp now.

bykerhd
April 27, 2008, 19:55
Sorry, wrong again jdmcomp.
The revolver STILL fires .45 Colt. It ALSO fires .45 acp.
There is a cut in the top of the cylinder which allows the moon clips to lay into the cylinder. The .45 Colt still load and fire normally.
I suppose you could even mix up and fire .45 Colt and .45 Auto Rim if you were so inclined. Maybe ?

badt00d
May 04, 2008, 18:59
On the 1988 and 1989's, what are the differences between no dash, dash 2, dash 3, dash4, etc? My dash 4 had a 5" barrel till Cylinder and Slide cut it off for me. (See pic above in prior post).

gunsmoke
May 05, 2008, 00:01
Originally posted by badt00d
On the 1988 and 1989's, what are the differences between no dash, dash 2, dash 3, dash4, etc? My dash 4 had a 5" barrel till Cylinder and Slide cut it off for me. (See pic above in prior post).

In the pic above of the .45 colt that will also work with moon clipped acps that is a model of 1989 25-7 a limited production 45 Colt with 5"bbl matte blue and an unfluted cylinder.

My 1988 is a 625-2.
5" Untapered full underlug
Baughman red ramp quick-draw front sight, white outline rear S & W micrometer
Round butt w/factory Hogue grippers
std N frame service hammer
smooth combat trigger

BUFF
May 05, 2008, 04:47
On Smith & Wesson Model numbers, the "dash number" (example: Model 25-2, the "-2" is the dash number) will signify an engineering change. Sometimes it's a lockwork change, sometimes it is a change of barrel style, it varies from model to model. While the over-all frame dimensions have stayed the same pretty much, most of the internal parts from a S&W made in, say, 1960 won't fit the same model number made last year. Too much to sum up here.

dogngun
May 22, 2008, 08:33
I have 2, and they are great revolvers. My first was a S&W Model 1917, but made in about 1936. It's a commercial model, but was evidently unsold and went in with the first Brazilian Contract. It is my favorite revolver in nerly 40 years of handgun shooting. It was my gift to me for my 60th birthday.
Last week, I stumbled on a 1917 Colt, great working condition, but terrible finish, and put it on layaway. It will be my gift to me for my 61st birthday.

Mark

CRShooter32
June 02, 2008, 12:31
The new S&W Model 22 of 1917.