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Odd Gibbs Shooter
January 21, 2002, 23:07
Just wondering what the difference is between the two?

Thanks,
OGS

Andy the Aussie
January 21, 2002, 23:56
Well the Aussie one is much better..... :D trust me on this... ;)

To be truthful...there are differences...the stocks (Brit being plastic and Aussie being wood) but allparts will interchange.

If you look in the FAQ section Kevin Adams (NZ L1A1 etc etc) has many posts that describe the actual differences and support such with photos.

Hope that helps.

Andy :cool:

NZ L1A1 Collector
January 22, 2002, 00:26
Here's a quick answer to your question Odd Gibbs Shooter:


ID’ing the differences between British & Australian L1A1 & Canadian C1 rifles

Firstly I should point out it was not uncommon to have a mix of Australian, British or even Canadian made parts on these issued rifles. Parts were readily swapped, exchanged and used as part of the Interchangeablility of rifles and components. Also on rifles that were used there would be ‘old’ and ‘new’ finished parts depending on when the part was replaced. The only time you would see a nice all matching finish rifle was when it was either ‘New’ out of storage or it had been base workshop refinished.

Parts were routinely replaced as earlier versions of parts were obsoleted eg. 1 piece firing pins, wooden carry handles, full wood handguards, ‘beehive’ body catch levers etc. These were replaced with the newer, improved types. There were also a large number of modifications undertaken to the rifles and parts and these too make for more variations of parts.

There are some basic ‘looks/characteristics’ for each country and we’ll look at these first.

Australian
Phosphated or satin black paint over phosphate finish.
Laminated handguards are standard.
Green plastic carry handle is standard.
Aluminium butt plate with trap is standard.
Body (Receiver) has different style of lightening cuts.
Minimum amount of markings or stampings on the rifle.
Furniture colour ranges from blond to dark red or brown.
Wooden furniture made from Coachwood or Beech.
600 yard flip up leaf sight.
Bolt holding open device is manual.
Serial numbers starts with ‘AD’ prefix.

British
British rifles are phosphated with a thick black paint over-coated on them.
Profusely stamped with part numbers and manufactures codes.
Body (Receiver) has different style of lightening cut.
Black plastic furniture is most commonly encountered.
Black plastic carry handle is standard.
Wooden furniture made from Walnut.
600 yard flip up leaf sight.
Bolt holding open device is manual.
Serial numbers starts with UB or UE and ‘A’ prefix.
UB = BSA.
UE = Enfield.
A = Part of the serial number eg. A12345

Canada
Phosphated finish.
Full wood handguards with either 2 slots (early) or no slots (late) are standard.
Brown plastic carry handle is standard.
Steel butt plate is different; being secured by a single screw is standard.
Body (Receiver) has different style of lightening cut.
Minimum amount of markings or stampings on the rifle.
Furniture colour ranges dark red to brown.
Wooden furniture made from walnut.
600 yard flip up rotary sight.
Different rear sling swivel is used.
Bolt holding open device is automatic on last shot.
Stripper clip loading body cover.
Late model C1A1’s have the removable foresight protectors.
C1 & C2 rifles do not have “Sand cuts”.
C1A1’s have different style of body locking lever.
Flash eliminators have a larger internal muzzle diameter.
Serial numbers have a ‘L’ as part of the number.

:)

Odd Gibbs Shooter
January 22, 2002, 00:40
Thanks Kevin !!
This is exactly what I was looking for ..


OGS
Tim

NZ L1A1 Collector
January 22, 2002, 00:40
gezz that was moved bloody quick Ted :eek:

EMDII
January 22, 2002, 02:11
Because its a bloody good thing for FAQs?!
:D

If I wait too long, they go south in G/D pretty fast. Get lost looking for them!

[ February 05, 2002: Message edited by: EMDII ]

Andy the Aussie
January 22, 2002, 02:30
See....Kiwi's do have their uses... :D :D

My mates all say they are useless...but I never agree.... ;)

Andy :p

agrin2005
September 30, 2006, 18:36
Can someone tell me what a sand cut is

MAINER
September 30, 2006, 22:51
Slots cut in bolt carrier and receiver on inch rifles. Not sure of any metrics with them. Suppossedly enables rifle to tolerate sand or muddy conditions better.
I'd guess it works, but havn't tryed it myself, yet.

MAINER
September 30, 2006, 22:53
NZ

Great info, as usual, Thanks

Pistolwiz
October 02, 2006, 02:11
There are a few belgian carriers with identical sand cuts to the Inch carriers. The inch (And Indian) carrier sand cuts look like these:

It's an industrial chrome plated one. It shows off the sand cuts............
http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/832529/catalog/Inch%20chrome%20carrier%20and%20bolt.JPG

agrin2005
October 02, 2006, 09:03
Thanks all for the intel on the sand cuts

StoneyCreekMrMauser
November 07, 2007, 16:53
Newbie Q:

Will an Inch-pattern bolt/bolt carrier fit a Metric receiver?

jaykden
November 07, 2007, 17:05
yes

pim123
July 21, 2008, 15:38
Hi, I'm new to the forum and I am from The Netherlands. At the moment I'm considering buying a FAL as a gundealer out here is offering L1A1 FAL's for reasonable prices. They are BSA and Enfield FAL's. Can you give me advice wich to choose may I decide to buy one ?
Thanks in advance,
Pim

hagar
July 21, 2008, 17:01
I would buy both, and consider them investments for the future. Not sure what your laws are, maybe you can only have one. In that case I would probably buy the BSA if in similar condition, else I would pick up the nicest example on the rack. And when you do buy it, posts some pictures for us to see, we love drooling over original receivered rifles which we cannot own (except for a few preban versions) here in the US.

Groete en skiet raak!:beer:

pim123
July 21, 2008, 17:52
Dank je wel Hagar !! :biggrin:

It will stun you to hear they had 60 of them and get another 60 in september :smile:
They cost between 400 and 550 Euro incl 1 mag, mags cost 15 Euro :cool:

http://www.vdwschietsport.nl/cms/index.php?id=54

RobertGTti
July 22, 2008, 03:46
Originally posted by pim123
Dank je wel Hagar !! :biggrin:

It will stun you to hear they had 60 of them and get another 60 in september :smile:
They cost between 400 and 550 Euro incl 1 mag, mags cost 15 Euro :cool:

http://www.vdwschietsport.nl/cms/index.php?id=54


would you happen to know if he has any METRIC mags as well?
only metrics I found in holland were 35 euros each?!

pim123
July 22, 2008, 17:23
Robert,
I have send them an email, they only have those comming with the FALS so no metrics I'm afraid...