Ident/Tools: Armourer's Tools .....

[Falcon]

I picked up an armourer's tool roll for the FAL from Canman, a week or so ago. There are two tools in it I haven't identified. Does any one know what there used for? TIA

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Falcon/FALtoolkit.jpg
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Falcon/FALtool1.1.jpg
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[awp101]

1st close up looks like a gas knob adjustment wrench to me. 2nd? I dunno...

How much was it and where can I find one? Contact me offline if you want.

[EMDII]

You have the early FAL tool roll-

closest guess:
Top-
early version of OREA 165, telescope mounting tool, or OREA 107, gas regulator tool. But the 'blade' is too broad

Bottom-
early variant of OREA 1104, gas block cleaning tool.

Does canman have a website?

[awp101]

Ted look at the top pic again. The gas regulator tool is at the bottom left. I missed it as well so your first guess may be right.

[ June 17, 2001: Message edited by: awp101 ]

[FWRA]

Originally posted by awp101:
<STRONG>1st close up looks like a gas knob adjustment wrench to me. 2nd? I dunno...

How much was it and where can I find one? Contact me offline if you want.</STRONG>

Ted, I've been staring at the same photo in Blakes book and trying to figure it out too. The OREA 165 telescope adj tool has a flat blade on one end, not that peg thingie.

Blakes book is excellent, but in the "Early-issue complete armourers tool roll" article, it list it at 25 tools but only lists and describes 19. What's up with that? :-)
OREA 107 gas adj tool has a different cutout too.

Do you think these tools could be one of the 6 missing tools? I was also somewhat surprised that in this "complete" armourers tool kit that no locking shoulder gauges were mentioned as you'd think they would be necessary in that "complete" kit.

Blakes book has a couple of incomplete info but still is my most read book on the FAL. It's pages are dogeared from constant use and it follows me often into the, ahem, "reading room" if you catch my drift. :-)

These two are a mystery that maybe Kevin could shed some light on. I kinda thought they were the ones you described and they may just be. (Blake should have listed all 25! )

Best Regards,
Mark Powell

[xcpd69]

Stevens book's illustration is of an early METRIC kit. I have a sneaking suspicion, that this is a UK Inch kit.

[FWRA]

Originally posted by cpd69:
<STRONG>Stevens book's illustration is of an early METRIC kit. I have a sneaking suspicion, that this is a UK Inch kit.</STRONG>

The tool kit pictured here is a dead ringer for the Blake illustration mentioned above, but I'm sure there were a bunch of tool kit variations offered.

Sure is a mystery so far. :-)

Mark Powell

[Falcon]

Heres close ups of them.

This roll was shipped from the BA company(Browning Arms) in 1972. I obtained it from Canman, he advertised it on this board a few weeks back.As far as I know, this was his only one. You may remember him, he was, and still is, helping to sell off an estate of firarms and accessories and had quite an extensive list of items from the collection.
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Falcon/FALtoll2.jpg
http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Falcon/FALtool1.jpg

[xcpd69]

The larger tool is a wrench for removing the "gas cylinder bush", or what you might call the gas tube nut, I can't prove it, but I believe the second one is for scraping carbon from the gas block.

By the way, this tool kit is more extensive than the one Stevens shows on page 362 of the Metric section. Two oilers, and screwdrivers are different...etc.....

[ June 17, 2001: Message edited by: cpd69 ]

[Falcon]

Thanks for the responses; I just found out from a very reliable source what these 2 tools are.Not that you guys aren't reliable but...
As many of you may already know,all FN tools are identified by an OREA number, OREA standing for Outillage de Reparation et Entretien d'Arme (Manual of Repair and Maintenance . . ), in this case for the FAL rifle.
The thick bar tool with the hook in one end is OREA 108, it function is for removing the threaded nut at the rear of the gas tube, the extension of which also holds the carrying handle in place. cpd69 was right on this one.
The other thinner tool with the two protrusions at one end is OREA 106, which is used when installing a new gas regulator. The rod like appendage is inserted in the handguard screw hole of the gas block and the handle is then forced down, so the little hook like appendage holds down the "stirrup" of the gas regulator spring while the regulator is being screwed into place.

[ June 19, 2001: Message edited by: Falcon ]

[EMDII]

Man, when I looked from work, the pics were lots darker!

Now I can see what I didn't before. Still, was fun looking through the Stevens book and 'trying' to make it fit.

:p

[EMDII]

Permission to move this to the FAQ? Too pretty to lose one day when I'm purging!
:D

[Falcon]

Of course, please do and many thanks for everyones help.A few more...

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[ June 20, 2001: Message edited by: Falcon ]

[canman]

Yeah, that sure is a beautiful tool kit. I thought about not selling it, but I've already got most of the tools. Glad it went to such a loving and caring home with lots of FALs to keep it happy. :)

I spent an hour or so thumbing thru Blake's Bible and was as frustrated as Mark (FWRA). The roll and most of the tools are a dead ringer for the one pictured in the book, but, like Mark said, it lists 25 tools, and does not show all of them!

Falcon- GREAT PICS!!!!!

Canman

[Falcon]

Canman, I’m very appreciative that you did,you’re right I will keep them happy and again, many thanks to you!

I have done a little more research and included a diagram of these tools in action…


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