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Mark C
July 26, 2000, 21:25
A couple of pics of my Canadian Arsenals Ltd FALs to add to the visual resource:

1. FN C1A1. Standard Canadian issue service rifle, 1953-1996. This is an 8L series, manufactured in 1968. It was the final variant of the Canadian FAL rifles, with the field-replaceable foresight ears and ejector block. Almost re-designated FN C1A2, due to the enhancements. Superseded by the Diemaco C7 (M-16A2 PI):


2. FN C2A1. Standard Canadian issue Light Automatic Rifle (SAW) 1953-1986. Issued two per 10-man rifle section. Superseded by the C9 LMG (FN Minimi). An interesting bit of trivia - the Aussie and NZ L2A1 LARs were built with Canadian Arsenals C2 parts from the carrying handle forward, plus the Canadian tangent-sighted body cover (which was never adopted by Canada - we used the 200-1000 metre rear folding disc sight instead).


More detail photos can be viewed at the URLs below:

FN C1A1: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=242458&a=2201898

FN C2A1: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=242458&a=2201903

Hope this worked. Enjoy!

Mark Campbell

July 27, 2000, 16:50
Simply beautiful. I used both from 84-90. Couldn't afford to buy a C1 so I got an Aussie L1 that I have added Cdn parts to, Still not quite the same though.

July 27, 2000, 21:12
Thats quite a collection you have there. I cant see you doing much reloading at that bench with that chair though. You may consider a more descreet locking mechanism for the door to the room. 3 or 4 dead bolts are a good clue that something VERY valuable is on the other side of the door.

Very nice collection, thank you for sharing the pictures. -FLC

Mark C
July 28, 2000, 11:18
FLC - Thanks for the advice. The chair works just fine, as I mostly reload pistol calibres and not much effort/leverage is required. As for the lack of subtlety with the steel security door and frame, there are two schools of thought. Stealth, or obvious deterrence. I have gone with the dead-bolts as a deliberate visual deterrent. Bear in mind that there's much more to the security of my collection than just the security door itself. That is merely the second-to-last line of defence, and only has to slow down the goblins for the 15 minutes it takes the police to respond to the alarms (independant of telephone lines, I might add) in my very sedate suburban neighborhood. The interior walls and ceiling of my basement "gun room" are reinforced, the house is alarmed, the high-speed stuff resides in the locked metal cabinets when not on deliberate display for guests, etc, etc. The bad guys would have to be very determined with a well-thought-out plan, properly equipped, and extremely quick in order to achieve any success. They'd also better hope that I'm not home when they come calling ;-)








July 28, 2000, 18:56
WHOLLY mollies......BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
I guess you aren't married???
I'm trying for that type of collection but the wifey keeps throwing up roadblocks..... http://www.fnfal.com/forums/wink.gif
Take care,ENJOY,

July 29, 2000, 07:55
What a collection!!!!
Can I come over and play???
I'll help you clean up when we're done http://www.fnfal.com/forums/wink.gif
Now I know what ENVY means.

July 29, 2000, 10:58
I vote Mark C and Kevin/NZ for co-President's of the republic of FAL.

OK, seriously: both have righteous collections, and I am always surprised at new presentations. CONGRATS to mark on a beautiful set of pics, and beautiful FALs.


1*...........Train Like You Fight: Second Place is NOT an Option.

July 29, 2000, 11:21

Nothing left to dream about anymore....I can watch the pics every day.....too bad.
What a nice collection/display you have!!!


July 29, 2000, 15:46
WOW DROWL. I hate to ssay this Mark C but don't expect the Police to save your collection if the alarm goes off. Several years ago I saw some research on police response times for Burglary. It wasn't to impressive to say the least. Lets just hope the Doors you have will keep them busy for enough time for the men in blue to arrive.

What the hell do you do for a living anyway http://www.fnfal.com/forums/biggrin.gif ,Seriously!!!!!

Mark C
July 29, 2000, 18:26
Thanks for all of the kind words/compliments fellows. It's nice to have a forum like this one to share our stuff with fellow enthusiasts - WTG Jen. I've been at the collecting for about 14 years now, although recent changes to Canadian firearms laws are making it difficult (and fiscally imprudent) to continue acquiring new pieces. However, that hasn't stopped me quite yet. Just slowed me down a little.

Yes, I'm married to a very understanding wife. She likes to shoot, but doesn't get much time anymore now that we have two kids. The MP-5 is actually hers.

For Steve who asked, I'm a Major in the Canadian Regular Army. I currently command a light infantry company in the 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (PPCLI). We have a role similar to that of U.S. Army Rangers - specializing in the conduct of dismounted operations in close terrain (mountain, urban, etc) with insertion by parachute, amphibious, airmobile and foot-borne means. We frequently cross-train and conduct small-unit exchanges with 1 German Mountain Division and the Ranger Battalion in Fort Lewis, WA, for example.

Cheers, and thanks again for the kind words.

Mark Campbell

July 30, 2000, 20:43
Nothing to add, just WOW! I hope your kids will be able to enjoy your passion in the future.

July 31, 2000, 03:45
If your country goes all the way and actually bans em all, you are welcome to store them at my house(free of charge) http://www.fnfal.com/forums/wink.gif

Best regards,

August 04, 2000, 09:27
A mp5 for the wife , oh man do you have toys , speaking of which , i think i saw a russian (copy?) of a ppsh or (sar41). was thinking of getting one , any good ?


Mark C
August 04, 2000, 11:18

Yes, it is a Russian PPSh-41, manufactured in 1943. They are a crude, but extremely robust and reliable second-generation SMG. Think Sten or Grease Gun, but a little more rugged and reliable and you will have a good idea of what the PPSh-41 is all about. It is extremely controllable, but has a very high (approx 1000 rpm) cyclic rate. I would go with a real, open-bolt PPSh-41 over the SAR-41 semi-auto copy if you can own class III and afford one. For what it's worth, I've hear about some reliability problems with the SAR-41. Those may have since been addressed. The SAR is certainly a more affordable alternative....

Good luck.

Mark Campbell

Farmer from Hell
August 04, 2000, 14:46
Schweet man
So how does it work up there with the gun laws now? I heard some of the provinces are a little miffed and wont inforce the new laws.
I guess Im speaking about the Class III stuff specifically.
One day when I have the money to have guns to collect, not shoot, that German G__ (the number escapes me now saddly) below the k98 will be on the top of my list. Would it be intruding to ask what they are going for now days?


Mark C
August 04, 2000, 19:22
Thanks for the kind words. The MP-43 (or MP-44/Stg-44 - they're all essentially identical) is a fantastic rifle considering the vintage. Aside from the historical value as the first true intermediate cartridge assault rifle, they are a great shooter. The only problem is finding a source of 7.92x 33mm ammo, or making it yourself (which is a labour-intensive undertaking, even with the correct RCBS forming dies). Once you've sorted out an ammo supply, you will find that it is a sweet shooter. It blows away the AK family in terms of ergonomics. Accuracy is about the same as an AK - nothing to write home about, but capable of putting rounds centre of mass at 300 yards (which is all that was required to out-range the Russian PPSh-41 at the time). Felt recoil and muzzle climb are negligible, due mostly to the very long bolt-travel. It shoots much like a 9mm SMG. Get one, and you won't regret it for a whole bunch of shooting and collector reasons.

Good luck! Cheers,

Mark Campbell

August 06, 2000, 15:13
So...when is the road trip to the Great White North? I'll bring the beer if Mark would be kind enough to host us.... http://www.fnfal.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Near Sighted Sniper
August 06, 2000, 19:45
Mark,I am in awe of your collection!!

I would love to find an MP-44,I'd go in hock big time to get one of them.