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Gaspipe
January 30, 2001, 10:52
I have had a few request for this, so here goes. I got mine from AIM a few weeks ago for under $600.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1494288&a=11279936&p=39573339
Nice wood foregrip/handguard and butt, I believe it is poplar. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1494288&a=11279936&p=39573330
Satin black coating over the receiver/sheetmetal. Black plastic handgrip. Parked magazine, bolt, bolt carrier and buttstock ferrule thingy. Overall, it is generally pleasant to look at. Some of the welds on the receiver/sheetmetal are a little goofy, but someone at least took time to try to dress them out. The receiver is cast and stamped CENTURY and is rumored to be stainless, cast from an ex-Special Weapons mold. Overall, mine appears to be pretty good. The rear sight is this goofy, rotating thing with an open battle site, then three peeps (2,3,4 - in hundreds of yards/meters I suppose). Mine had some lateral slop in it, so I used some shims to stabilize it. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1494288&a=11279936&p=39573332
My magazine fit is sloppy and it rattles around. A little strategic application of truck bed liner cured that. Also, my rifle was pretty filthy when I got it, particularly the cocking tube area which was packed in grease, and of course, the chamber had some nitro powder fouling. I am guessing someone returned it and I got it. Also, the muzzle brake appears to have been pinned and welded, but it'd hard to tell because of the coating on the barrel/receiver.

At the Range: This rifle is heavy, but very pointable. It has very, very little recoil, which surprised me due to all the tales of horror I heard about HK91/G3 clones. It is amazingly easy to keep on target when in shoot as fast as ya can mode. As a matter of fact, it 'feels' a lot like my Norinco AK. The POI was about 4" left at 100 yards, which I compensated for with the eccentric design of the front site. It hits dead on at 100 yards and is surprisingly accurate - hitting a 3"x8" steel strip hung vertically round after round.

My IAI M444 will not reliably fire certain milsurp ammo. I put these into the CETME and it ate 'em up. As a matter of fact, it did not jam or misfire once in over 200 rounds of various ammo.

The rifle is very easy to takedown. There are two spring pins just ahead of the butt on the lower receiver. I use a small nylon mallet to drive these out (mine are still pretty stiff) and the whole rifle falls apart. The butt will retain the recoil spring, the bolt and carrier slide right out the back of the receiver and the trigger pack drops out as a unit with the pistol grip. It's not quite as quick as the FAL, but not bad. The only thing that bothered me was the fact that it is a PITA to clean the area around the chamber and the cocking tube.

The trigger pull is like getting dragged down a gravel road on your face. Long, and gritty. I think I can do something about it.

Overall, it isn't, IMO, as refined a weapon as the FAL, and there are certainly far, far less parts available. Mags are expensive (~$30) and not plentiful. Fit and finish is decent, but not like what you'd expect from an FAL. Spend $3-4k for an HK91 and you'll get that fit & finish.

So, for $550 (or thereabouts I think), it gets two thumbs up because it looks OK, works perfect (except for the wiggly mag - which causes no misfeeds, BTW, and the cheesy rear site) and didn't need any real tweaking. Maybe I just got a good one? I'll park it right next to my Norinco AK.

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Gaspipe.....
User of an auto-loading, gas operated battle rifle.

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Timber Wolf
January 30, 2001, 12:40
I had had nop problems with mine so far except it was damn stiff in all regards except the rear sight which rotates (too) freely. I like mine a a lot (not near as much as an FAL though or, excuse me, even an AK). Mags can be had for $20 each in quantity from a couple of sources. Somebody (FWRA?) has posted them for sale here and I got mine from AIM 5 for $100. Two mags came with the rifle for 7 total. Figure 5 is battle load with 2 back ups in the ruck equals 7. It is a pleasure to shoot and has been 100% with all ammo so far. Muzzle blast from the brake is impressive out the sides.

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Gaspipe
January 30, 2001, 12:54
I forgot to mention that mine was stiff as all h&ll when I got it. After a good cleaning, a couple hundred rounds and more cleaning, it has loosened up a bit.

Mine only came with one mag. I need to get a few more.

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Gaspipe.....
User of an auto-loading, gas operated battle rifle.

Brian in MN
January 30, 2001, 20:08
Will these things use standard H&K mags?

kev
February 04, 2001, 18:46
Generally, yes. Mine works fine with some milsurp alloy G3 mags of uncertain origin. Get the Cetme mags if you're stocking up. They are very good quality and cheaper than HK stuff.

W.E.G.
March 07, 2001, 15:51
See also http://www.fnfal.com/forums/Forum1/HTML/007327.html

ROCK-n-GLOCK
March 07, 2001, 19:01
I use the G3 Thermold mags and they lock up nice and tight. You can find them on Gunbroker.com for 20-25 bucks pretty routinely. Do a search on Thermolds, and there is always some G3 thermolds for sale on that site. Also, the CETME mags work much better than the G-3's. FOr some reason the G-3's are the ones that "ratle" a little in the well.

Agree about the stiffness....Mine operates very smooyh now after about 3 sessions of 200-300 rounds each, to break in and wear the parkerizing in on the internals and rcvr.

All in all, I like mine very much. It is a good shooter and a very "shoot any kinda ammo" rifle...

I'm suprised about your FAL comment though, My DSA will shoot anything, anytime. It is without a doubt my favorite 308.

I've heard alot of not so good comments about the IAI 444's.......FAL's should eat any ammo, that's why the adjustable gas system is there?

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ROCK-n-GLOCK
March 07, 2001, 19:49
After my last post, I found this:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=21991

this is a guy selling G-3 Thermolds for 25.00 each. He had 10 as of 2-19-01

these are the best mags for the CETME in my opinion. Feed goos, lock up tight and don't rattle or rust!

Hope this helps.....

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Gaspipe
March 09, 2001, 23:53
Het Rock 'n Glock: I figured out why my 444 was a dud at times.

The gas tube was bent worse than my own mind. The gas piston would bind in the gas tube and the dirtier the gas tube got, the more inconsistant the rifle would get. I dug into the parts pile and voila!

Nice shooter, and I still like the CETME.



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Der Gaspipe.....
Hmmm...Looks like I have enough leftover parts to make another FAL...

The Count
March 10, 2001, 11:12
Gaspipe, how was your dealing with AIM on the CETME? I'm planning on picking up one from them and am curious. Is there any place else I can get more info on these rifles? Operator manuals, cleaning guides etc. TIA

Gaspipe
March 10, 2001, 13:01
Count - It was easy. I bought two FALs, a M44 Russian 7.62x54R carbine and the Cetme all at the same time.

The only problem I had at the onset was that my Cetme came with just one mag. Aim fixed that ASAP with one call. On the IAI M444, the gas tube thingy, I never looked closely at it until a month later when I was investigating the finicky nature of the rifle, so I didn't feel I needed to ask Aim for one - and I had a spare gas tube anyway. Shot fine after that.

Subsequently, I have bastardized it (heck, it's a kit gun anyway) with some other US parts and some other odds 'n ends so it looks more like an STG with a wooden butt stock now.

The Count
March 10, 2001, 14:16
Thanks Gaspipe, Order is goin in on monday http://www.fnfal.com/forums/biggrin.gif

ROCK-n-GLOCK
March 11, 2001, 01:06
Gaspipe, glad to hear it was something simple.....Agree, AIM is a good company to deal with. I havent bought any rifles from them but I have bought a lot of ammo from them and their customer service is always top notch...

Just got a FNC and am looking forward to ringing in that bad boy!

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mark
March 11, 2001, 05:56
Good review, glad you're happy.

Gaspipe
March 11, 2001, 11:17
Originally posted by The Count:
Thanks Gaspipe, Order is goin in on monday http://www.fnfal.com/forums/biggrin.gif

Count -> I think you will enjoy the Cetme. They all seem tight when you first use it, but it will loosen up. Make sure you don't have one that was welded up crooked and can't sight in (I think that was an early buildup problem since solved). My rifle is # 0003xx, and is fine.

The Count
March 11, 2001, 22:42
Yah Gaspipe, have been reading up a bit on the "timing" issue with some of these rifles over at assault web. Maybe if I ask nice the good folks at AIM will eyeball one for me before it gets shipped. Granted, barrel to receiver issues may not be apparent until the weapon is fired, but I figure if it looks ok to the trained naked eye, maybe save me having to pack up and ship back. Am I correct in assuming these were all "built" by Century?

BTW great review, lots a good info in it for a newbie (sort of) like myself! It's been a long time since I have been involved with firearms of any type, but all the good folks here and their expertise sure make it easy to get back in the swing!

ROCK-n-GLOCK
March 12, 2001, 00:50
Count,

You are correct in your assumption, all of the CETME's now being sold out there are Century builds. Century bought the tooling from SW a few years back to make the rcvr's and imported the new rifle kits from Spain. Agree about the "tightness" of these rifles. Mine didn't start feling good until after about 500 rds or so. Now it cycles smooth and feeds on any ammo I give it. AIM will do you right. If you get a rifle and it's not on paper right outta the box, just call them up and send it back. They will replace it and make you happy. I buy most of my ammo from them, they are good guys to deal with. One key thing with the "HK" type rifles, they like to be clean and are not as forgiving as FAL's when it comes to functioning dirty. ALot will debate that, but that has been my experience. ALl in all, these are fine rifles for a good price.

Enjoy your new CETME

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Derby FALs
March 30, 2001, 19:18
Where is the Serial number? My mags fit nice and tight. The trigger ended up being a decent 2 stage. After the initial take up, it breaks pretty clean. I dry fired it a bit after using Breakfree CLP.

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