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Rooster
June 23, 2007, 12:05
Metric Light Barrel Stocks





<center>Styles</center>
L -> R

Type C
- Produced in four (4) lengths: short (Isreali, STG-58), standard, and long (Rhodesian, Belgian, Argentine)
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates, as well as rubber buttpad (STG-58)
- Produced with early non-rotating sling swivel (Isreali, Belgian, Argentine) and later rotating sling swivel

Type B
- Produced in three lengths: short (Isreali), standard, and Long (Argentina)
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates
- Produced with early non-rotating sling swivel (Isreali, Belgian) and later rotating sling swivel

Type A
- Produced in four (4) lengths: super short (Belgian), short (Isreali), standard, and long
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates
- Produced with early non-rotating sling swivel (Isreali, Belgian, Argentine) and later rotating sling swivel

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockID006.jpg












<center>Stocks Specific to Contract</center>
L -> R

Argentine 50.00 Type C
- Long length
- Uses early non rotating swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

Dutch 50.00 Type C
- Standard length
- No cutout for rear sling swivel in normal position
- Uses Dutch specific buttplate

STG-58 Type C
- Short length
- Uses later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses rubber buttpad

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockID003.jpg












<center>Type A Variants</center>
<center>Other variants exist but are not pictured</center>
L -> R

Belgian Type A
- Super Short Length
- Uses early non rotating swivel
- Uses trapdoor buttplate

Belgian Type A
- Short Length
- Produced with early style non-rotating rear sling swivel and later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates

US Production Type A
- Intermediate Length
- Uses early non-rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

Belgian (German Contract) Type A (not pictured)
- Intermediate Length
- Uses later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses trapdoor buttplate

Belgian Type A
- Standard Length
- Produced with early style non-rotating rear sling swivel and later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates

Belgian Type A (not pictured)
- Long Length
- Produced with early style non-rotating rear sling swivel and later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate001.jpg












<center>Type B Variants</center>
L-R

Belgian Type B
- Short Length
- Produced with early style non-rotating rear sling swivel and later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

Belgian Type B
- Standard Length
- Uses later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses trapdoor buttplate

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate007.jpg












<center>Type C Variants</center>
L -> R

Rhodesian (R1) Long Type C
- Long length
- Uses later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

Belgian Long Type C
- Long length
- Uses later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

Belgian Standard Length Type C
- Standard length
- Produced with early style non-rotating rear sling swivel and later style rotating rear sling swivel
- Produced for trapdoor and non-trapdoor buttplates

Isreali Type C
- Short length
- Uses early non rotating swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockID007.jpg




L -> R

Rhodesian (R1) Long Type C w/ Camo Paint
Rhodesian (R1) Long Type C

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockID009.jpg

Rooster
June 23, 2007, 12:06
Heavy Barrel Variants

L -> R

Belgian HB (FALO) Type C
Belgian production Isreali HB Type C
Isreali HB Type B
Argentine HB Type C

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockID002.jpg












Sling Swivel and Buttplate Cuts

Trapdoor Cut Buttplate Area
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate004.jpg


Non-Trapdoor Buttplate Area
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate005.jpg


Early Non-Rotating Swivel Cut
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate003.jpg


Later Rotating Swivel Cut
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/RoosterTac/Stocks/StockUpdate006.jpg

GW870
June 23, 2007, 13:59
Thank you most kindly, sir. Those are some nice pics and, I expect, very
enlighting for more than just me.

Now -- whirr can I find me one of them nice LB Type C's fer my StG build?

GW

Abominog
June 23, 2007, 16:51
Thanks Roosty baby!

Now, that's what we need more of on the FAL Files!

KIT
June 26, 2007, 13:01
Great post Rooster !!

:bow:


-KIT-

Strike Penguin
June 27, 2007, 15:15
Just to add what little bits I've found:

- "Type A" stocks apparently have a couple of variations in the cut-outs for the head of the locking lever. My theory is that earlier Type As (trial rifles, early Belgians, BGS G1s, etc.) had a curved cut at the top of the left-hand "wing". Later Type As have a more angled cut in this spot. I noticed some differences in the cuts while I was looking over some photos for Blue Monster.

- FN's wood finish for early contracts ( up until maybe the late 50's?) was a clear nitrocellulose lacquer like you find on guitars. At some they went over to plain old BLO, and different countries may have done their own thing from the beginning. I've found lacquer on Argentine stocks from Sarco, G1 pistol grips, and 1957-dated Belgian wood handguards.

Rooster
June 27, 2007, 16:37
Originally posted by Strike Penguin
Just to add what little bits I've found:

- "Type A" stocks apparently have a couple of variations in the cut-outs for the head of the locking lever. My theory is that earlier Type As (trial rifles, early Belgians, BGS G1s, etc.) had a curved cut at the top of the left-hand "wing". Later Type As have a more angled cut in this spot. I noticed some differences in the cuts while I was looking over some photos for Blue Monster.

- FN's wood finish for early contracts ( up until maybe the late 50's?) was a clear nitrocellulose lacquer like you find on guitars. At some they went over to plain old BLO, and different countries may have done their own thing from the beginning. I've found lacquer on Argentine stocks from Sarco, G1 pistol grips, and 1957-dated Belgian wood handguards.

The laquer that you note was an afterthought. The original finish was just plain oil. I take this info from the new stocks I have collected over the years, Type A, B, and C.

EX1
June 27, 2007, 18:53
Hello the new replacement X8 stock I have has a oil finish no laquer. This is the earliest stock I have ever seen. Thanks EX1

Strike Penguin
June 28, 2007, 12:49
By "afterthought" you mean it was a "sometime" thing, as opposed to standard practice? That would explain why it's not consistently seen.

Rooster
June 28, 2007, 21:19
Originally posted by Strike Penguin
By "afterthought" you mean it was a "sometime" thing, as opposed to standard practice? That would explain why it's not consistently seen.

More of afterthough as in after they arrived in Turkey or after they arrived at Sarco

dana1
June 30, 2007, 11:59
Experts.
What would you call this one. Ignore the finish, its tung oil a la Dana1.
Im mostly curious as to its origin.
Thanks,
dana1http://stock 1 http://stock 3

dana1
June 30, 2007, 12:04
O.K. That didnt work. What am I missing here?
thanks
dana1

Blue Monster
October 09, 2007, 12:16
I love you man, I so needed this!

4 brigada
October 09, 2007, 19:30
So Blue Monster, Does this mean we are going to be able to get more of the AWESOME stocks you make. Got my A stock and PG today. Excellent work and they match my wood HG to perfection looks like the were made from the same piece of wood.

seg
January 19, 2008, 13:37
Great stuff Thanks.

Now for The Question.

I have a Isreali Type C
- Short length
- Uses early non rotating swivel
- Uses non-trapdoor buttplate



BUT it is cut for both the non-trapdoor buttplate and the Heavy Barrel Flip up butt plate. It has a upside down 3 stamped into the wood behind the but plate and under the hole for the recoil tube.

I can e-mail pics if someone wants to take a stab at it.

Thanks again for the info. I learned something today. Today is a good day
:smile:

Barbcue
February 07, 2008, 02:38
great informative thred

thanks Rooster !

G_FAL
February 07, 2008, 20:45
Under the Type B Variants , the LH one is trapdoor cut and the RH one is non-trapdoor cut.

Your buttplate area could also use a photo for the rubber buttpad cut one.

FALs&45s
March 22, 2008, 11:06
1) great thread Rooster, thanks & +1 for a rubber-pad-cut pic

2) i bought the following stock together with an Israeli HB HG set at a show.
though generously bruised & dinged, i thought it had much more character than most Israeli wood i'd seen and they were cheapish so i grabbed them.

seemed like a different wood & finish (lacquer / shellac?) than other Israeli stuff i've had / handled.
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_finish_7442.jpg

didn't notice the 360 swivel
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_rear_7441.jpg

it izzn't Izzy so what izzit? it's 'standard' length i believe. longer than my (known) Izzy C
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_right_7436.jpg
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_left_7437.jpg

has a stock disc which looks to have been in place a while but doesn't seem to have / had anything much on it
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_disc_7440.jpg

maybe a struck mark under the ferrule? or just a random compression?
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_front_7438.jpg

Steelcore_7.62
March 23, 2008, 02:35
The partial marking under the ferule is the standard FN inspection mark. IIRC, member Falcon may know the name of the specific inspector.

This stock could well be an early (FN production) Izzy stock. The disc would be non-standard for Belgian Army FALs. You may want to flip over that disc and check for markings on the back.

Cheers,
Darrell

FALs&45s
March 23, 2008, 07:48
thanks, i was pretty sure i'd seen that mark before.
so when did the rotating swivel come in? '56-'57-ish?
was that another feature brought about by the G1 contract?

eta i'll see if any impression shows on the underside of the disc....

Blue Monster
March 23, 2008, 09:34
I'm no pro but I have looked up close at a lot of them and the knurl (the hump just behind the ferrule) doesn't look like the Israelis I have seen although the butt does lol. The Izzy seem to have more of a pyramid shaped knurl. The finish, I bet is not factory.

Just here to add confusion and mho.

Abominog
March 23, 2008, 19:23
Originally posted by Steelcore_7.62
The partial marking under the ferule is the standard FN inspection mark. IIRC, member Falcon may know the name of the specific inspector.

This stock could well be an early (FN production) Izzy stock. The disc would be non-standard for Belgian Army FALs. You may want to flip over that disc and check for markings on the back.

Cheers,
Darrell



Note also the "S" stamp at 9 o'clock from the small hole. That indicates FN manufacture.

Falcon
March 23, 2008, 22:10
Not sure what the proof indicates, nice stock though!


Fwiw, here's a FN made set I have for the Belgian M3


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Falcon007/IMG_3867.jpg

Steelcore_7.62
March 25, 2008, 16:44
Originally posted by Falcon
Not sure what the proof indicates, nice stock though!


Fwiw, here's a FN made set I have for the Belgian M3

Hey Mark,
Beautiful furniture set! I think you were wanting to type M1 or M2...M3 being the para. Someone in the past has posted the info on that cartouche I thought it was you. I'll try some search function to see if I can find it again.

Also edited to add: Best thread ever on wood! Hoot!

Cheers,
Darrell

Falcon
March 25, 2008, 22:18
Dang Darrell, you're right - as usual- I don't know what I was thinking, must have been past my bedtime! :?

I do have some of the Liege proofhouse info but the individual inspector codes are a letter and asterisk marking. Besides the " number in a partial box" quarterly/year codes, there are also stand alone year codes in the form of the lower case greek alphabet characters that were utilized up to 1962. I'm not certain how to ID these yet, so I was hesitant to guess. I'll have to look at some of my stocks this weekend and see what I can find. Hope all is going well for you on the other side of the pond. :shades:

IRONWORKER
September 08, 2010, 11:50
[i]
http://cnr-ffl.us/FAL/FAL_ID/c_butt_front_7438.jpg [/B]

Could someone please identify this marking? - I have a excellent+ condition stock that came with 1 of my APEX kits that I'm going to sell but have no idea what it's worth - Thanks guys!

nwobhm
September 08, 2010, 12:15
FN

IRONWORKER
September 08, 2010, 14:56
Originally posted by nwobhm
FN

Fantastic!! - Thanks brother!

preston1026
September 08, 2010, 21:30
tag for later

Abominog
September 09, 2010, 10:14
I just noted FALs&45s stock with the brass insert. I have an identical stock, albeit in near-perfect condition. My disc also is clean.

IanMor
May 11, 2011, 20:33
BTT for vital info

Frijolito1988
February 22, 2012, 01:48
Hey there, i have a question.

Does anybody have the lenght in inches on the Short Type C and Regular and Long Type C ? I just bough one and it looks like its a shorter one and would like to know what kind it is. Thanks.

Abominog
February 22, 2012, 08:23
I just noted FALs&45s stock with the brass insert. I have an identical stock, albeit in near-perfect condition. My disc also is clean.


Noting for reference that a third stock with a disc has shown up in the hands of Gunplumber. That stock is a Dutch stock, whereas the one shown here is not, so apparently FN made a very very few stocks with these disks but they were not all for the same contract. Interesting.

jugrunner
February 23, 2012, 16:41
I wonder if the disk's were to be used for bore data such as the Swiss 6.5X55 rifles ... ?

def90
March 14, 2012, 21:11
Noting for reference that a third stock with a disc has shown up in the hands of Gunplumber. That stock is a Dutch stock, whereas the one shown here is not, so apparently FN made a very very few stocks with these disks but they were not all for the same contract. Interesting.

I just bought one from another member that was included in a large lot of miscellaneous parts.. Not sure you can assume the one Gunplumber has/had is Dutch. It has the Dutch slots in the buttplate area but it also has a sling swivel so it's possible FN had the stock laying around and just used it for this contract run seeing that it didn't have the trapdoor cut.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nDB0tzAVd8w/T2EpkBq6k0I/AAAAAAAAA_Y/xW-fpRzF5dg/s800/P3140012.JPG

def90
March 14, 2012, 21:12
Hey there, i have a question.

Does anybody have the lenght in inches on the Short Type C and Regular and Long Type C ? I just bough one and it looks like its a shorter one and would like to know what kind it is. Thanks.

The Israeli Type C stocks are shorter than a regular Type C

jaybo785
January 25, 2015, 12:26
very useful, thank you for the article. :)

Flypaper
February 07, 2015, 21:29
Did any of the Belgian M1 rifles have a type B stock?

embatp
February 07, 2015, 23:24
I have seen a pic of a type a lower (m1) with a type c stock....dunno if a b would work how it's cut up front....of course they could have changed the lower during the m1 production to a type 1 and used a b....

machinegunner
December 03, 2016, 19:03
great thread. one thing I didn't see. what are the lengths of short vs reg. vs long on type C stocks? I have one that I believe is long, which would make it either a rhodie r1 or Belgium type C. it also has two repairs: one thin sliver up front that goes al of the way through the stock and one in the rear at the top edge of butt. http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h48/fal-stg58/PC030221_zpsbgydigci.jpg?1480809669810

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h48/fal-stg58/PC030223_zpseb6ce6um.jpg?1480809669816&1480809686651

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h48/fal-stg58/PC030224_zpsekq1jlee.jpg?1480809711579&1480809712744&1480809716000&1480809716046

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h48/fal-stg58/PC030226_zpshzhmfl3z.jpg?1480809711585&1480809712748&1480809716004&1480809716049

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h48/fal-stg58/PC030225_zps0lcwuu7w.jpg?1480809711582&1480809712746&1480809716002&1480809716048

G3isMe
December 07, 2016, 17:04
That looks like it is on a South African M in U sanitized lower so it is most likely a "Rhodie."

eternal24k
March 18, 2017, 09:29
the ferule is throwing me off on this one, any ideas what this is?
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/666E324C-3F4A-4D1A-90AE-1A91D46A6D16_zpsosexeixj.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/666E324C-3F4A-4D1A-90AE-1A91D46A6D16_zpsosexeixj.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/ED72109A-B31C-45D2-A45C-569706484CEF_zpsn3tgvj2i.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/ED72109A-B31C-45D2-A45C-569706484CEF_zpsn3tgvj2i.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/0C1DB139-4B58-4EE3-9350-9C8795F9B522_zpscdtttm2k.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/0C1DB139-4B58-4EE3-9350-9C8795F9B522_zpscdtttm2k.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/7A1C998F-CDE6-4003-BAFF-C43B63BD143E_zpsfemgqtnt.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/7A1C998F-CDE6-4003-BAFF-C43B63BD143E_zpsfemgqtnt.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/A8A1EB88-CFD2-4DFA-B0B2-014ED4657032_zpsnkn0iqed.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/A8A1EB88-CFD2-4DFA-B0B2-014ED4657032_zpsnkn0iqed.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/E1365716-8785-4227-89AA-58E3F570ED49_zps3vfgevtu.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/E1365716-8785-4227-89AA-58E3F570ED49_zps3vfgevtu.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/F09AF1DD-7D17-4A5C-9F60-C4490C1B6479_zpsizjkndak.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/F09AF1DD-7D17-4A5C-9F60-C4490C1B6479_zpsizjkndak.jpg.html)

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/A35B46BF-7381-49E3-93CF-1D8664D4B501_zpsltekhgw5.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/A35B46BF-7381-49E3-93CF-1D8664D4B501_zpsltekhgw5.jpg.html)

rbgonoles
March 18, 2017, 09:51
Interesting. Some Turk smash a ferrule on a type B?

Flypaper
March 18, 2017, 10:38
^^^ Bingo

hkshooter
March 19, 2017, 10:09
^^^ What they said, a Turk'd B. Damn shame, that looks like a very nice stock.

G3isMe
March 19, 2017, 20:27
^^^ What they said, a Turk'd B. Damn shame, that looks like a very nice stock.

You can sometimes salvage those. Carefully remove the ferrule and hope that they didn't sand on it. They did this because the B's had a tendency to crack at the wrist and the recoil tube holes. So when they got a cracked stock, they whacked a ferrule on it.


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eternal24k
March 21, 2017, 07:33
I'm not sure if this was sanded, i don't think it was but dont have another B to compare it to, it looks like there's a line of buildup where the seam was. I'm a bit at a loss on what to do with this stock, paid a decent amount thinking it was a nice C stock.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z152/eternal24k/sale/0D96EBB3-36FA-4FEE-989E-CFCF90AE4537_zpsor7fgypk.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/eternal24k/media/sale/0D96EBB3-36FA-4FEE-989E-CFCF90AE4537_zpsor7fgypk.jpg.html)

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