6.5 Grendel

[7mm/08 FAL]

Anyone own or have fired one?

[hillbillyfaler]

no but sure want one;)

[akfanatic]

Not yet.
I'm looking at both it and the 6.8SPC. Leaning towards the 6.8 right now due to the wider availability of ammo/mags.
Either one will be a great replacement for the 5.56 in my next M4 :wink: .

[bigant]

Originally posted by akfanatic
Not yet.
I'm looking at both it and the 6.8SPC. Leaning towards the 6.8 right now due to the wider availability of ammo/mags.
Either one will be a great replacement for the 5.56 in my next M4 :wink: .

Why do you say the 6.8 has a wider advantage on mags? Since you can get 5, 10, 15 and 25(actually holds 26) round mags for the Grendel.... Also Wolf is importing ammo for the Grendel and that should be here in Nov or their abouts.(I know this has been said since Shot, but it takes time) However the first shipment of ammo is already here for testing to make sure its up to par....Also Lapua has brass coming and it will be sold via Graf and Son's and stamped with Lapua and not Alexander Arms....Redding is making dies. You can get a Barrel, Bolt and Gas Block from CSS and Complete or Uppers from Alexander Arms or Sabre Defense. John Noveske is going to be offering the Grendel here real soon....Plus their Tactical models have CL barrels and their is a guy reporting great accuracy out to 200 yards with a 14.5" Tactical....I think the barrel is not even floated too.

I have a SPR Profile 18" Barrel just waiting to get built....I'm waiting on my LaRue Billet Upper.....

Ant

[BRONZ]

I am on the fence right now. I would like longer hitting capibility of a 6.5. I will probably stay with 5.56 with the 75gr. and 77gr. stuff.

When wolf comes out it I will watch the range reports.

[pcguns]

I have one (19.5" AWS upper) and it shoots great to 300 yrds really dead on for me shooting anyway. I would like to try further but I do not have access to any range further than that.

[7mm/08 FAL]

What about recoil? Is it about like a 7.62x39? And how loud did it sound when firing ? I mean does it have the high pitch crack of the .223
Thanks

[pcguns]

I would say the recoil is a small bit more but not really noticable unless your looking for it. The pitch? I did not notice a difference but again I was not really listening for it.

[PowderDriver]

The only thing that is keeping me from selling half of everything I own to buy one is the quality/availability of ammo. From what I've read and heard it has the potential to replace both the 5.56 and the 7.62

Over 2x the mass of a 5.56 and still going super-sonic after 1000 yards.

ETA - the recoil is supposed to be half that of a 7.62 NATO

[cookhj]

there was a discussion about this over at ARFCOM. i would really like a 6.5, but the price and availability is keeping me from taking that plunge right now.

[USMC 0341]

While I will concede that the 6.5 Grendel is probably a better cartridge than the 6.8 I still prefer the 6.8 in the standard AR-15 package.

Why? Because the case diameter of the Grendel is too wide to go through the standard AR-15 magazine well in a proper staggered geometry. This induces increased outward forces which means more friction fighting the magazine spring in feeding the action.

It also means that the magazine will be much longer for the same capacity.

I already have an AR-10 - which is a much better round and a package optimally designed for that round. But it is noticeably heavier than the AR-15.

I have always wanted an AR-15 in a caliber with more punch than the 5.56 but with similar or better accuracy. I was trained with that rifle and enjoy that familiarity. The 6.8 seems to give me the best answer to my quest.

An AR-1X built to work with the 6.5 Grendel would be interesting. It would need a wider magazine well and magazines wide enough to hold the rounds properly. But the guns and magazines available now seem to be compromises to work with the existing AR-15 magazine well.

[PowderDriver]

Originally posted by USMC 0341


Why? Because the case diameter of the Grendel is too wide to go through the standard AR-15 magazine well in a proper staggered geometry. This induces increased outward forces which means more friction fighting the magazine spring in feeding the action.



Why would this even matter if it's proven to be very reliable?

They have fed 6.5 Grendel through full auto m16s

I've read a bunch of material on the grendel forums and no one is having reliability issues.

[USMC 0341]

It may work well on the range and under less than demanding circumstances but I would not want to carry one to the field for more serious purposes. A little bit of grit (or in some cases a LOT of dirt) in a magazine could cause problems.

I was a grunt for a number of years and know how dirty things sometimes end up regardless of how clean you try to keep things.

I'm not saying the Grendel is a POS or that this one problem is a huge, serious issue. Just that given a choice between the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8X43mm the performance of the round for normal field duty is not so great a difference. So for use in the standard AR package I would prefer the round that fits properly in the magazine.

[PowderDriver]

You do realize that 6.8 was having pressure issues and Remington had to lower the sammi pressure specs and fps is 200 less than what it was now?

[Temp]

Originally posted by PowderDriver
You do realize that 6.8 was having pressure issues and Remington had to lower the sammi pressure specs and fps is 200 less than what it was now?

I'm not surprised. As I recall, the 6.8 specs that I saw called for 2700 fps with a 105 grain bullet. That's treading very hard on the .243 (which has much larger case capacity) and I know from experience that one has to be careful maxing out loads in the .243.

I was wondering what kind of magic they were using to get that many foot lbs of energy out of that shortened .30 remington case.

If they have to knock it down 200 fps, they might as well have just blown the neck of the .223 open and chambered it for the 6.5 TCU.

[PowderDriver]

6.8 is now getting just over 2500fps out of a 16" barrel with the modified sammi specs

[E5c03]

http://www.65grendel.com/graphics/grendelballistics.pdf

[DYNOMIKE]

I have thought about the Grendel for some time..
I would very much like to have one.. May make the investment sometime, but would love to see the price drop even a Little bit..

Hey bigant~
Have you heard if the WOLF 6.5 is here yet?

[0007]

Why not just go with a 6mmX45? Friend of mine built a bunch of uppers in that caliber and shipped them to Japan because they don't allow civilian ownership of military caliber firearms. He said it was a pretty good round and seeing as he spends most of his time building and selling light, medium, and heavy rifles for high-power shooters, I tend to listen to him. I've been thinking about having him build an upper for me.

[PowderDriver]

Originally posted by 0007
Why not just go with a 6mmX45? Friend of mine built a bunch of uppers in that caliber and shipped them to Japan because they don't allow civilian ownership of military caliber firearms. He said it was a pretty good round and seeing as he spends most of his time building and selling light, medium, and heavy rifles for high-power shooters, I tend to listen to him. I've been thinking about having him build an upper for me.



Is it still going supersonic after 1200 yards?

Can it be fed through a standard AR lower?

[7mm/08 FAL]

I played with the 6x45 found that if you used the heavier weight bullets 75 to 95 they took up to much powder space to gain you much more punch over the .223 loadings. But it is a very accurate round talking about min. of hedgeballs at 300yds.