Gun Kote Finish ??????

[Regal Beagal]

Okay, bead blasted my custom mauser that I've chambered for the good ole 7mm mag. Decided to give it a finish that would work great in extreme weather, since this is my mountain rifle. Fired up the stainless tanks and put a nice coat of magnesium phosphate on all metal parts. Next, I sprayed on Gun Kote let it dry for 1/2 hour and popped all of the parts into my oven at 300 degrees for an hour. It looks great but that's if you like black shiny things. I'm more into the black matte look. Is there anyway you can tone down the shine on this stuff? I tried 0000 steel wool in a none conspicuous place but it only looked scratched.... ARRRRGGGGHHH..... :mad: So far, I'm pleased with it's toughness and I like the fact that it is so micro thin. My bolt slides with ease. RB

[ August 23, 2001: Message edited by: Regal Beagal ]

[Gavin]

Heat her up... to about 200F, respray - should give a more matte appearance. http://www.mg0815.com
I outline this on my site
Gavin

[Dawgbrain]

Hey Gavin,

Your site is packed with good info. That is exactly what I have been looking for. Thanks a lot for putting that together. Your refinishing info is bookmarked and soon to be applied!

Thanks,
Brian

[KP]

Hey Regal, I had the same problem. I usually use the Teflon/Moly Oven Cure which gives the matte finish you are looking for. I tried the Gunkote and was not happy with the shine either. Try the Teflon/Moly I think you will like it better. Hope this helps............

[Regal Beagal]

KP,

How does the Teflon Moly hold up? Also, can you spray the Teflon Moly over the the Gun Kote? Thanks RB

[Gavin]

Thanks for the compliments... the old site http://www.flash.net/~gavin1
will be moved to mg0815.com asap (f-ing busy)
My favorite gun finish is Norrells moly resin, try the colt grey/black... semi gloss is satin-y not too glossy. I find it to be the most bullet proof finish out there... Gun Kote is OK - just a little thin for my liking.
Regards
Gavin

[Ekie]

I am with Gavin here, Norrell's is by far the best.

[sam i am]

Hey Gavin, do you have a link to norell?

[Phoenix]

Gavin are you from Arizona? The pic on your website sure does look like Az. desert.

[KP]

Regal, I have used the Teflon/Moly on a 1911, an L1A1, and a SIG P220 so far and its holding up great. However I must add that I use it on top of the Parkerizing. Good luck.............. Don't know if you should put it on top of the Gunkote, might be getting alittle thick............

[Regal Beagal]

KP,

That's what I figured. I'll probably give the reheat and reshoot try to see if it dulls the shine a little. This time I'll just do a quick pass with the airbrush instead of laying it on thick. Hopefully this will work, because I sure in Hell don't want to have to bead blast and park this sucker again. Next time I'll use Norell's teflon moly resin...... Thanks folks! RB

[EMDII]

Also, use a slightly different technique. Shoot from a few inches further away. (Not too far: experiment). The distance dries the suspension oh so slightly, and you get a textured matte finish. Everything still adheres just fine, and wears just fine.

I have the GunKote OD/Gray going onto a "Belgian Congo" FN/Steyr. This almost replicates the Belgian unique color used on their M-series Belgian Army rifles.

[EMDII]

Their black semi-gloss ought to be close, although I have NOT shot it on anything. The G-1 I handled had a parked finish, covered by what appeared to be the dark enamel that FN used on its contract sales.

Joe Fazio is a straight-up guy who'd be glad to talk about finishes. Try calling him during the work week and see what he says.

[Gavin]

http://www.mg0815.com

THeres a link to Norrells - he doesn't have a web site, but I post his info b/c I LOVE his product. Yeah - I live in Tucson... was just in Flagg.
If you are after the black enamel colour - the Norrell Semi gloss may just do it, it does match the black of a painted AK (AK groupcan be very picky).
Email Me with any Qs - I'll likely not b e on this board for quite a while, since Subguns (my usual time sink) will be back up
Gavin http://www.mg0815.com/pics/grenade.jpg

PS above is a pic of some Norrells on a R1 I did... yeah thats Krinkle paint on the HGs ... just an experiment.

[Gavin]

Oh - and I wouldn't go adding misc. flatteners, you may compromise the resin... it does need to cure by polymerization (ie ask the manufacturer for some flattener). Forgot to add - that parkerizing below any moly finish is by far the best finish out there.
Gavin

[EMDII]

KG Products (http://kgproducts.net)

Advertises:

Semi gloss-
Black
OD
Gray
Dark earth
Service Brown
White
Red
International Orange
Royal Blue

Flat/Matte-
Black
OD
Gray
Earth
Service Brown
White

Teflon Extreme Coatings-
Flat Black
Satin Black

[shortround]

Anyone ever try mixing the colors to come up with something different? One shop that does this type of coating around here has a color that replicates very closely the gray/green park you see on some of the original M1's and carbines. Verrrry nice. Fooled me.

[Gavin]

Yep - stick with the same producvt line... ie don't mix Norrells and KG. Mine worked fine.
Gavin

[Regal Beagal]

Hey Folks!

Sorry I haven't responded to the great responses. I was out of town on business. Well, I gave the reheat and reshoot a try and I did exactly what Ted recommended with holding the airbrush a few inches out from the piece. WahLah....... a matte finish. I also put it back in the oven to bake the finish back on. It isn't a colt black/gray finish but it is much better than the slick, shiney first result. Thanks folks for all of the great responses. I think next time I'll give the Norrell coatings a try. RB

[OmegaMBR]

somebody in the archives said just get heat paint from autozone, they sell plasti kote.
after baking the trigger guard and dust cover last night I had a matte black finish that looks like parker and cost $5 it smells exactly like Kal-Guard gun kote in the oven, it probably is the same formula minus the lubricants ---which shouldnt matter on the outside of a fal. I am going to try the barrel and lower next.