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JohnnyReb
September 03, 2006, 22:12
Here are some pics of my FN FS2000. This is a post recall gun. I made the sling with a little help from the wife (she did the sewing).

New in box.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_01.jpg

My Daughter likes it (good finger control).
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_08.jpg

The next five show off my sling (note the concrete and mag).
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_010.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_011.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_012.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_013.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_014.jpg

The trunnion and my first failure (after 650 rounds with no cleaning).
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_02.jpg

Bolt/Carrier assembly.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_03.jpg

Stripped bolt.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_05.jpg

Closer (note the dual extractor springs).
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_06.jpg

Bolt face & extractor, 650 rounds of dirt and brass.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_07.jpg

Firing pin.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_09.jpg

The barrel is 1 in 7. Its shooting 3 moa with the 62 grain Radway Green and Lake City green tip. I have some 69 and 75 grain Black hills on the way, I can't wait to see how it shoots with the heavier bullets!

tiblow
September 04, 2006, 00:03
COOL Johnny Reb, very cool........ How's the shooting experience with it??? How accurate??

JohnnyReb
September 04, 2006, 07:04
Originally posted by tiblow
COOL Johnny Reb, very cool........ How's the shooting experience with it??? How accurate??
Tiblow,

I really like it. It shoots great. No problems hitting the pop-ups out to 500 yards. I am getting 3 moa with 62 grain ammo. Other owners have been getting 1 moa with heaver bullets. The trigger is a little on the heavy side and took a little getting used to.

J

Jerod
September 04, 2006, 09:20
Shot mine on Sat. Works 100% very , very accurate. Mine looks like yours but has the "Evil " black Eurotrash stock on it. This one is fastly becoming my favorite. My Aug looked so sad as I headed out to the range with the FS2000 on Sat. My Aug is like a old , used up girlfriend at this point. My 5 and 7 year old kids also shot it and loved it ! You guys need one ! Jerod :wink:

mitchellh
September 04, 2006, 20:02
What kind of mags do they take, Where does the empty case eject.

Kinda Like it in a bullpulp kinda way.

W.E.G.
September 04, 2006, 20:09
I'd be very interested to know whether it will cycle 3 consecutive 30-round magazines of Wolf polymer-coated (not laquer) .223 ammo.

JohnnyReb
September 04, 2006, 21:56
Originally posted by mitchellh
What kind of mags do they take, Where does the empty case eject.

Kinda Like it in a bullpulp kinda way.

It takes AR-15 mags, thats a 30 round mag in the picture. The spent cases run down a tube to a port at the front right, and kinda dribble out.

lew
September 05, 2006, 15:53
Every time I look at that gun, I'm more impressed. Too bad it's not in 7.62, because I don't need to add another caliber to my collection.

Mad Dog 7.62
September 05, 2006, 19:07
Interesting. That big white plastic thing that sits on the bolt carrier group gives me pause though. What exactly does it do? It looks kinda fragile, and I am wondering how durable it is and if a failure in in means the rifle quits going "BANG"?
MD

JohnnyReb
September 05, 2006, 19:27
Originally posted by Mad Dog 7.62
Interesting. That big white plastic thing that sits on the bolt carrier group gives me pause though. What exactly does it do? It looks kinda fragile, and I am wondering how durable it is and if a failure in in means the rifle quits going "BANG"?
MD

The white plastic thing guides the spent shells down the ejection tube, I think.

JohnnyReb
September 05, 2006, 19:41
More pics:

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_015.jpg

Take down pin right side:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_016.jpg

Take down pin left side:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_017.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_%20018.jpg

Butt pad slides off:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_%20019.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_020.jpg

Field stripped:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_021.jpg

Hammer pack:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_022.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_023.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_%20024.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_025.jpg

Gas system:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_026.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_027.jpg

http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_%20028.jpg

Ejection port (open):
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_029.jpg

Ejection port (closed):
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_030.jpg

Inspection port (bolt closed):
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_031.jpg

Inspection port (bolt open):
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_032.jpg

Cleaning kit:
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_033.jpg

Bruce J
September 05, 2006, 22:16
Damn I wish I could get one of those!

Are those still over $2k? Or is there a source for these.

They way I'm headed I'll have to wait 20 years when they start scraping these and do a parts build... a little Testers model cement glue and I'll be in business!

PennsylvaniaLongRifle
September 05, 2006, 23:25
How about taking a picture of it next to a full size FAL?

JohnnyReb
September 06, 2006, 07:19
Originally posted by PennsylvaniaLongRifle
How about taking a picture of it next to a full size FAL?
Here you go.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_%20034.jpg

JohnnyReb
September 06, 2006, 07:27
Originally posted by Bruce J
Damn I wish I could get one of those!

Are those still over $2k? Or is there a source for these.

They way I'm headed I'll have to wait 20 years when they start scraping these and do a parts build... a little Testers model cement glue and I'll be in business!
There is probably a reason they named it the F$2000......:D

I paid $1877 + tax, $2006 out the door.

Mouse
September 06, 2006, 08:31
Am I seeing this right???

Is the hammer made out of plastic ?

I'm interested in one of these rifles but that concerns me.
You mentioned that the fired cases kinda "dribble out" a port at the front of the rifle, do they just slide out via gravity or are they propelled out by the force of recoil?
Would there be a problem with the cases ejecting if the rifle is fired on an upward angle?

How is the trigger? You mentioned that it's a fairly firm pull but does it have that "spongy" feel that most bullpups have?

M

ps. Did it hurt when the little girl in pink wrapped you around her finger? :tongue: She's a real cutie!

JohnnyReb
September 06, 2006, 10:09
Mouse,

1. Yes the hammer is plastic, just like an Aug or the PS90.

2. The spent rounds are propelled into the ejection tube with enough force to push the ones in front of it out, even if you are shooting up at an angle.

3. The trigger is somewhat spongy and firm at first, but not to bad right before it brakes.

4. It didn't hurt a bit! :D

Jerod
September 06, 2006, 19:16
My FS 2000 will run Wolf steel case 100% of the time. [ Unlike most Ar15's !]
The hammer and trigger group are a huge rip- off of the AUG ! But the Aug has been around since 1977 and has a good service record when produced in Austria . Aussie land has produced the Aug for a fair amount of years and has had problems with them . YA want to know why ? They did not purchase the "Technical Package" from Austria and " Winged it" . Why do things Half Assed?

Back to the FS2000 , Have you guys seen in the above picture how short and handy they are? Compare its size to the Fal and the 16 inch [Stock closed] AR-15 M4 type . The 2000 has a 17 inch barrel ! It is well balanced , accurate and works 100% in my limited firing of my 2000 . The trigger is spongy and is not hard to get used to. Takes m16 mags . Time will tell but like it or not bullpups are the wave of the future as ugly as they may be. You guys need one...trust me ! It would be even better in .308 but you have to make comprimises some times. Its cool to own something state of the art in this current "Anti-Gun " climate we live in . Did I mention its made by F.N. ? ;)

JohnnyReb
September 06, 2006, 19:24
The barrel on my M4gery is only 14.5" plus Phantom FH, the FS2000 is 17.4" plus FH/Brake.

lew
September 06, 2006, 20:05
Quick question: How do the cases eject out of the chute? Do the come out ass end first or neck first? I'm having a hard time visualizing the role of the plastic thingme in the ejection process.

JohnnyReb
September 06, 2006, 22:30
Originally posted by lew
Quick question: How do the cases eject out of the chute? Do the come out ass end first or neck first? I'm having a hard time visualizing the role of the plastic thingme in the ejection process.
They come out front (neck) first. I think the white plastic thing grabs the spent shell on the ejection backstroke, and as the bolt loads the next round the spent case is stuffed down the ejection chute.

M38
September 07, 2006, 07:59
Glad to see pics of the FS2000! It is a great firearm, I love mine.
Here is mine:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/M38/FNs.jpg
Mine is a low serial number with the early funky barrel (a converted F2000 barrel, I think)
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/M38/CUFS2000B.jpg

Stranger
September 07, 2006, 10:30
Why did they feel like they needed to neuter the bayo attachment on the barrels, or change them at all from the F2000? Now if I wanna put a suppressor on it I gotta have it chopped. :rolleyes:

JohnnyReb
September 07, 2006, 12:47
Originally posted by Stranger
Why did they feel like they needed to neuter the bayo attachment on the barrels, or change them at all from the F2000? Now if I wanna put a suppressor on it I gotta have it chopped. :rolleyes:

I think that since it is made in Belgium it has to meet the rules of a "sporting" rifle to be imported.

I could be wrong on this though.

younggun
September 07, 2006, 13:22
Johnny that thing must look absolutly tiny when you hold it.

JohnnyReb
September 07, 2006, 17:13
Originally posted by younggun
Johnny that thing must look absolutly tiny when you hold it.
LOL!

In prone it actually disappears!

mitchellh
September 07, 2006, 19:54
Is it comfortable? The upper handguard looks bulky for the photos.

I was thinking SIG 556 about a month ago, but now I'm leaning towards a FN.

Never owned a bullpup before, It would be kinda neat to be the first in the neighborhood to have one.

B Wood
September 07, 2006, 20:39
Quick question....

I am a lefty.............is it lefty friendly? can the cocking handle be changed to the other side?

Getting ready to upgrade some of my 5.56mm rifles to either a Sig or FN product

thanks in advance!

Stranger
September 08, 2006, 07:45
Originally posted by B Wood
Quick question....

I am a lefty.............is it lefty friendly? can the cocking handle be changed to the other side?

Getting ready to upgrade some of my 5.56mm rifles to either a Sig or FN product

thanks in advance!

THe cocking handle is one part that is fixed on one side. However, everything else is ambidexterous.

B Wood
September 08, 2006, 13:24
I guess us lefty's don't rate in Fabrique Nationale's world. ARGH

With my FAL's I can reach over pretty easily......however...the 2000 looks pretty chunky and tall....unsure how it would handle for me. Come to think of it, Heckler & Koch doesn't like lefties either......my MP-5 is the same....handle on the left...

I guess it is Sig 556 time now.

:(

mitchellh
September 08, 2006, 14:37
B Wood,

It's a right hand world. Myself being a lefty also, it does get tiresome.

Strange though, I shoot a rifle left handed, but shoot pistols right handed.

Don't know why, but seems correct for me

dirtyrice
September 08, 2006, 15:59
i shoot lefty and im a right handed i do it because of eye dominance. i prefer the cocking handle on the left... i guess im just weird.

xcpd69
September 09, 2006, 17:40
Originally posted by mitchellh
B Wood,

It's a right hand world. Myself being a lefty also, it does get tiresome.

Strange though, I shoot a rifle left handed, but shoot pistols right handed.

Don't know why, but seems correct for me

Cross dominance.

You're apparently right handed with the left eye being dominant.

Simple test to tell which eye is dominant:

With both eyes open, raise your arm and point at some distant object while sighting along your pointing finger. Now close one eye. If you are still seeing the sighted object over the pointing finger, the open eye is the dominant one, if not, the closed eye is the dominant.

This is a fairly common occurance, especialy if from an older generation where the schools actuaally tried to "train" left handers to be right handed.
(Sign of the Devil, you know, being left handed.. :biggrin: )

ratas calientes
September 09, 2006, 18:10
I looked at one today. Very interesting.

Originally posted by JohnnyReb
. . . This is a post recall gun. . . . What was the recall about?
Originally posted by Mouse
. . . How is the trigger? You mentioned that it's a fairly firm pull but does it have that "spongy" feel that most bullpups have?. . . I thought the trigger was kind of "Glock-ish." I only tried it a couple of times. http://chilirat.com/emoticons/chilirat.gif

Stranger
September 10, 2006, 07:59
Originally posted by ratas calientes


What was the recall about?
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The firing pin was originally straight from the F2000 but it ended up being too heavy allowing slam fires when using commercial ammunition (soft versus hard primers). They reduced the pin weight (and added a capture spring?).

JohnnyReb
September 10, 2006, 11:01
They reduced the pin weight and added a capture spring
Stranger is correct.

mitchellh
September 10, 2006, 19:51
It appears my right eye is dominant, but I still write the checks with my left hand.

(Sign of the Devil, you know, being left handed.. )

You might be right

:eek:

JohnnyReb
September 14, 2006, 21:41
Here are some targets with different ammo. With the 1/7 barrel you would think it would like the heavier ammo. Strangely, it likes the SA too.

For reference the 10 ring is 2". I always seem to have 1 flier in each group.

TA01-NSN, off bench @ 100 yards, Remington UMC 55 grn.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_55grnUMC.JPG

TA01-NSN, off bench @ 100 yards, South African 55 grn.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_55grnSA.JPG

TA01-NSN, off bench @ 100 yards, Lake City 62 grn.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_62grnLC.JPG

TA01-NSN, off bench @ 100 yards, Radway Green 62 grn.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_62grnRG.JPG

TA01-NSN, off bench @ 100 yards, Black Hills 75 grn.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_75gBH.JPG

Stranger
November 09, 2006, 13:54
Had to pop this one back up. Mine will be here either tomorrow or Monday. :biggrin:

mitchellh
November 09, 2006, 19:47
Stranger you're just down right mean:biggrin:

You have one and I dont. (yet)

I was going to look for this thread, because I liked the scope set up.


Anyway, thanks for the BTT.

Stranger
November 13, 2006, 14:52
I picked up my black FS2000 over lunch hour and took it out to the range for some fun. HOT DAMN! This is a fun little rifle! I was just doing some plinking and plan on putting an EOTech on it, but it still gave me the impression that it is a well-made and solid rifle. :love:

The best part is no "SPROING" vibrating up through my cheek-bone with every shot. Recoil is about what I would expect. Fit and finish is typical F'N perfect. Saying the rear backup iron site is crude is putting it nicely, but other than that it is a great little rifle. It isn't a .308 but this is definitely my favorite .223, or at least my favorite .223 that isn't F/A. :biggrin:

Now to get Derek to remove the goofy, pinned muzzle brake so that I can screw on the can.

Bearwhositshere
November 13, 2006, 20:51
I have to say I like that gun. I am glad you put optics on her. In my opinion the rear sight is just trash, but the rest is pure buck rogers. Cool factor 100!

Jerod
November 13, 2006, 23:18
Brian Wood ,
I thought I sold you on the idea of the FS2000 when you called me about a month ago ? Look at the results of the current election....grab one before the COMMIES pass the new GUN GRAB ! Buy a 2000 , Scar and Sig if you can before the final bell rings ! Good Luck ! Jerod :wink:

Stranger
November 14, 2006, 14:13
Here are pics of mine in uber evil black. I am kind of torn on whether or not to get a green one also, just incase they decide to ban evil "black" rifles as opposed to evil "green" rifles.

Stranger
November 14, 2006, 14:15
Another

Stranger
November 14, 2006, 14:16
And another. This is actually pretty cool. Being somewhat of an EBR neophyte I was suprised to get something with a S/N of less than 6000 without having to pay $3K.

Stranger
November 14, 2006, 14:20
And finally one with a magazine inserted. I just had to deflower this beautiful lady.

My overall impression was very favorable. I was even more impressed when I went home and installed the EOTech on it. It offers a cheek weld identical to if not a little lower than a flattop AR with EOTech installed. When loaded it balances on the web of your hand. It really does just sit there! It is also a reloaders dream. All the spent cases just rolled out of the front. No need to wait for a cease fire or anything just use a rake to get the few that went over the firing line and you are done. When I was on the bench they landed in a neat little pile to the right of the rifle. I think I will recycle a margarine tube and stick it out near the end to catch the brass. The trigger is a little squishy, but I figured it out quickly. It does have a specific break that is surprisingly crisp.

mitchellh
November 14, 2006, 20:32
Sweet, mines enroute to the FFL.

Should have in two days.:D

Ssarge
November 18, 2006, 17:12
Got my evil black FS2000 today.:biggrin:
One thing I can say about it, Wow! That FN mag sure is sure tight! Other than WECSOG, wonder how long before slings become available?

mitchellh
November 18, 2006, 18:48
I'm right there with you Ssarge, picked mine up today too.

I am amazed how compact this rifle is, pretty damn cool.



:biggrin:

Jerod
November 24, 2006, 11:28
Love my Black 2000 ! Dang thing looks and handles like a SBR ! Balance is also top notch . I have over 600 rounds out of her without a problem . Great weapon !



:)

Ssarge
November 24, 2006, 16:53
What are most of you glassing it with? I'm torn between an ACOG and one of the Aimpoints with some magnification.

mitchellh
November 24, 2006, 20:28
I'm looking at the ACOG, just not sure though. Any input is welcome.:biggrin:

ronnieb
November 24, 2006, 23:01
Finally got to handle one of these today. If I had the cash one would be mine:)

Jerod
November 28, 2006, 01:19
Put one of those new Aimpoint scopes on mine [ The one with the insane 10 year battery life on them ]. Have been looking at getting the Aimpoint 4x add on they offer. All of the current scopes used in the sandbox have had positive reports. The Acog is a great scope , but I wonder how they work for CQB ? You also have to send them in for a recharge every 8 - 10 years or so. I have had a older M68 Aimpont for close to 8+ years and it has never failed me yet . Stick to what works best for you ....thats why I love the Fal also !

Stranger
November 28, 2006, 11:39
Originally posted by Ssarge
Other than WECSOG, wonder how long before slings become available?

Go here and scroll down a bit. They have a "single point" and a three point.

http://www.uertslings.com/SLINGS.html

Its not the factory sling but it works very nicely.

WJ-Polish Guy
December 14, 2006, 21:12
Originally posted by JohnnyReb
....
Bolt/Carrier assembly.
http://www.ramairfreight.com/jon/FS2000/FS2000_03.jpg
...


WTF! Eeeee.... what was wrong with AK47 to begin with?

mitchellh
December 15, 2006, 07:52
Originally posted by Jerod
Put one of those new Aimpoint scopes on mine [ The one with the insane 10 year battery life on them ]. Have been looking at getting the Aimpoint 4x add on they offer. All of the current scopes used in the sandbox have had positive reports. The Acog is a great scope , but I wonder how they work for CQB ? You also have to send them in for a recharge every 8 - 10 years or so. I have had a older M68 Aimpont for close to 8+ years and it has never failed me yet . Stick to what works best for you ....thats why I love the Fal also !


Jerod,

Can you post some pics of your set up?

Thanks

Jerod
December 19, 2006, 23:19
PM me your email and I will send you some pics . Jerod

JohnnyReb
December 20, 2006, 00:12
Originally posted by Jerod
PM me your email and I will send you some pics . Jerod

Jerod,

Don't be shy, post them here! :D Lets keep this thread going. This is the BEST place for all things FN!

While I continue to build FAL's, this is now my favorite and go to gun. Plus, 5.56 is a little cheaper right now and I want to save my 7.62.

mitchellh
December 20, 2006, 23:06
Originally posted by Jerod
PM me your email and I will send you some pics . Jerod

Too late, I got worried my Christmas present wouldn't have any optics, so I went ahead and ordred the ACOG scope.

Don't worry Johnny, the thread will get a bump on 12-25:D

mitchellh
December 24, 2006, 19:59
Christmas came early. Nothing like fondling a petite Belgian rifle, with a grande bière belge




http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2879/jupilerphotos003gl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us):biggrin:

stuartnc
December 29, 2006, 15:46
Great post on FN 2000's. I was wondering now that you have had them for a while if you have any addition thoughts plus or minus on the weapon? Also where you found the best price?

Thanks in advance,

stuart

ratas calientes
December 31, 2006, 02:02
Originally posted by WJ-Polish Guy
WTF! Eeeee.... what was wrong with AK47 to begin with? This is one time I agree with WJ . . . . that is one wierd looking concoction of hardware. http://chilirat.com/emoticons/chilirat.gif

mitchellh
December 31, 2006, 18:02
Originally posted by stuartnc
Great post on FN 2000's. I was wondering now that you have had them for a while if you have any addition thoughts plus or minus on the weapon? Also where you found the best price?

Thanks in advance,

stuart

Good Luck finding one, I've seen them, from time to time on GunBroker, which is where I got mine. The price was fair(to me) under 2,000.00. As of today, I haven't had to chance to shoot the rifle, but have heard nothing but good reviews. It is very compact, more so than I anticipated. I never thought I'd own a bullpup before this came along.