M16A1 build [Archive] - The FAL Files

garandpaul

August 28, 2006, 10:29

I know but it is all the parts that are here right now I am still waiting for my pistol grip and charging handle to show up ,I will have to wait for more funds to complete it I am a little low in the gun parts fund right now.You cant tell from the picture but the lower is a Eagle Arms A1 Coal Valley address.
I will have two extra m16A1 grips if anybody is in need of one in a few days.
When I get the funds the lower and upper ,charging handle and delta ring are off to victor@usanodizing.com
E-mail Address(es):
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garandpaul

August 28, 2006, 10:36

Forgot the picture sorry

Gary_P

August 28, 2006, 11:32

I have 2 A2 style PG's and trigger guards you are welcome to.

at no charge of course :biggrin:

Gary

garandpaul

August 28, 2006, 12:11

Gary thanks for the offer but I have the a1 pistol grips on the way I have a trigger guard ,funds are all that are holding me up right now I need to get the HTS and bolt and carrier I guess that I will have to wait a bit longer

Flamehead

August 28, 2006, 19:22

That is going to be righteous with the A1 lower. They just don't look right on an A2 lower. Lots of folks out there looking for A1 lowers to do retro builds with all the old M16 uppers that have hit the market in the last few years.

garandpaul

August 28, 2006, 20:07

Thank You
It cost more to build it this way but to me it is the only way to do it.
I just received the pistol grip today maybe the charging handle tomorrow then it is a big wait for more funds to finish it.

Ssarge

August 29, 2006, 13:31

Is that buttstock one of the later ones with the trap doors? That is a really great looking A1 build. I built up one myself, DSA lower-it's an A2 lower so I had to live with the "fence" and other built up areas. I used Brownell's dark park grey spray on finish to match the Colt upper. I got some of Bill Ricca's last Colt A1 pistol grips. It was fun just finding some of the A1 furniture in new condition.

garandpaul

August 29, 2006, 17:28

It is a A1 trap door buttstock I know what you mean about finding the parts being fun I still have to come up with a bolt and carrier and HTS, it is the hunt for parts that makes it a pain sometimes but it's all worth it in the end .

Flamehead

August 29, 2006, 19:22

Hey, nothing wrong with building a retro on an A2 lower. I am just a picky bastard.:D

If you have an A1 kit with the trap door stock and foward assist upper then the A1 lower with mag fence is correct. There was plenty of mixing of parts back in the day though, so....

recce

August 29, 2006, 20:30

Does Eagle Arms have a web site? I want to see about importing a lower up here to Canada. I keep getting a surplus outfit from PA and the other Eagle that is Armalite.

I'm trying to get an A1 build done and need the lower and P.G.

garandpaul

August 29, 2006, 20:33

The lower I have is no longer made it was made pre 1994 Eagle Arms still sells receivers but they are A2 www.eaglefirearms.net

1811GNR

August 29, 2006, 21:46

Eagle Arms bought the Armalite name in the mid or late 90's, changed the name from Eagle to capitalize on that historical brand. Armalite re-introduced the Eagle Arms brand so that they could sell stripped receivers and parts while maintaining the "only complete rifles come from Armalite" twist.

SHARPSHOOTER

August 30, 2006, 03:17

That is gonna be a sweet M16A1 clone. I really like it. I know I will get zapped by some here but I do not care, I much prefer the A1 to the A2 for a combat rifle. Lightweight and fast handling . Those sights also do not get knocked out of zero like the A2 can. The A2 is a much better target rifle though and I still own one. But I prefer the A1 in rifle and carbine form for "General Poodle Shootery" to quote WEG. Also these latest incarnations of the M16 are so damned heavy with all the stuff being strapped to them that I do not like carrying them. KISS

I built my self one sans the real A1 lower I wish I could find one, my buddy told me I missed a Sendra Lower at the most recent OKC show. I ended up building my M16A1 on an EA forged lower I also built my GUU/5P clone on a EA forged lower as well. Still I wish anyone but Stag(CMT) would produce an A1 lower. I just can not do that damn deer head. Even if CMT made it for someone else I would buy it. I just want an A1. The funny thing is, back during the Ban I had a PWA A1 lower with an A2 CAR upper and I sold it for $1100.00 I kinda wish I had kept that lower now. Oh well hindsight is 20/20

Flamehead

August 30, 2006, 07:20

Sharpshooter, if the Sendra you missed was one of the older Sendras then you didn't miss much. Some of the first ones they made were shotty. However, the later ones were excellent receivers and as good as any.

I too much prefer the A1.

SHARPSHOOTER

August 30, 2006, 07:52

I have heard that my self at different times.

The Sendra I am looking for is one of the Rock Island stamped lowers.

Yellow Bird Deer

August 30, 2006, 11:48

I just built two A1s and am looking for a couple of grips. Please let me know if they're still available and what you'd like to get for them.

I am going the easy route and not refinishing, built mine on STAG lowers. I can live with the deer logo as the qualilty is so good and the price is right, sure would like to find some early lowers though. I used slab side Colt uppers (no forward assist or case deflector) with NIW Colt 1/12 pencil barrels. Also found a couple of bolt carriers w/out the forward assist notches.

Amazing how light and handy these rifles feel with a 20 inch barrel.

Thanks for the contact info on the anodizer, I have a few things that need to be finished.

Ssarge

August 30, 2006, 12:41

As for the A1 Sharpshooter, I agree with you 100%.
When the M4 was brand new and no one else had one, I did and it was good. Then when every one else had one, I sold mine and built up my "perfect" carbine. DSA ZM15 lower, Colt slab side Air Force M16 upper, Shaw chrome lined 16" light weight barrel with Colt M4 handguards. (I have large hands and prefer the cooling the twin heat shields give)
I find that it mounts so much faster than the M4 for me, that I prefer iron over trick sights, (I have tried every red dot, Trijicon TA01NSN, ELCAN and on and on) lights, and slings. Just a basic carbine with a four position, old fashioned, non re-enforced coll. stock is what I like and works for me.

About a year ago, there was a guy selling M16 buttstocks and pistolgrips in marketplace. They were the original pre-A1 style in excellent to new condition.

recce

August 30, 2006, 19:27

Originally posted by garandpaul
The lower I have is no longer made it was made pre 1994 Eagle Arms still sells receivers but they are A2 www.eaglefirearms.net

Damn, thanks for the link though.
I guess I might have to look at maching the fence off of a new lower.

garandpaul

August 31, 2006, 06:00

I was thinking of doing the same until I found this lower I watched the thread on AR15 .com I dont know who but someone for over a span of several months was going to make new A1 receivers then it all fell apart for some reason ,now there is a new thread started someone is going th machine new receivers to A1 config .

firefuzz

August 31, 2006, 06:28

Originally posted by garandpaul
Gary thanks for the offer but I have the a1 pistol grips on the way I have a trigger guard ,funds are all that are holding me up right now I need to get the HTS and bolt and carrier I guess that I will have to wait a bit longer

PM sent on HTS set.

Rob

Flamehead

August 31, 2006, 07:21

Originally posted by recce

Damn, thanks for the link though.
I guess I might have to look at maching the fence off of a new lower.

reece, if you are doing an M16A1 clone, the fence is correct. If you are doing a slick side upper M16 clone then the fence may need to go. You said above you were doing an A1 so I thought I'd add that.

recce

August 31, 2006, 08:31

Flamehead,
Yeah I typed A1 by mistake, I meant the earlier M16 model.
I have the 3 prong flash eliminator and butt stock and a line on a P.G. now.
Just need a slick side lower.

garandpaul,
I have been following the threads on machining the lower as well, just have to take the plunge I guess.

Ssarge

August 31, 2006, 19:10

Originally posted by garandpaul
I was thinking of doing the same until I found this lower I watched the thread on AR15 .com I dont know who but someone for over a span of several months was going to make new A1 receivers then it all fell apart for some reason ,now there is a new thread started someone is going th machine new receivers to A1 config .

That was ASA, but they went under.

SHARPSHOOTER

September 03, 2006, 03:16

This is just my MHO, but ASA going chapter 13 was no loss. I know some may argue with me about their quality and goods. But I personally got a bad taste in my mouth from them on more than one occassion and I never forgot it. Even when it looked like they might actually have made an A1 style receiver. I had pretty much decided that I was not going to purchase one.

garandpaul

September 05, 2006, 09:09

Thanks to a few good friends here like rob branson and the offer of parts by others I have put a few more parts on the build only a few more to go here is a new picture
Thanks Guys for the help
Paul:bow: :biggrin:

zack taylor

September 26, 2006, 20:32

Looks great. I prefer the A1 to the A2. Carried the older model for the first seven years of my Army career, and then the heavier POS for the last two. Heavier, $hitty sights, and those round handguards suck.

Just one Question. Where did you get that buttstock?
I have an A1 built, but had to settle for a ricketty Ameetek buttstock that just isn't right.

Thanks

P.S. If anybody is looking for an A1 pistol grip, I just saw a few on gunsamericadotcom.

bykerhd

September 27, 2006, 22:06

SARCO has listed A1 buttstocks and furniture sets in one of their ads this month.
I'm building an A1/A2 . Personnaly, I see nothing wrong with blending the two. I definitely like the longer A2 buttstock better. I'll use an A1 pistolgrip though.

I'm kind of hoping it will look like this.
I swiped the picture from the "Chicks in Uniform" thread.

bykerhd

September 27, 2006, 22:08

Just noticed the round handguards in that picture. The top end I have has the triangular versions. Same upper receiver as on hers though.

garandpaul

October 14, 2006, 13:10

Here is the final result guy's

firefuzz

October 15, 2006, 00:32

Originally posted by garandpaul
Here is the final result guy's

Good looking rifle, like the photo background too.

Rob

Flamehead

October 15, 2006, 08:32

Looks great gp. It should be a tack driver as well. The old Colt M16 upper I shoot regularly will do 2 inches at 100yrds all day with surplus ammo, A1 sights and my crummy eyes. It sure is a fun rifle. Almost effortless accuracy is what makes the AR great.

garandpaul

October 15, 2006, 08:40

Thanks Guy's
Victor at US anodizing does excellent work I highly recommend him very good person to deal with and a fast turn around .
I hope to shoot this before Oct 23 but it does not look likely I will be having surgery .
Now I need to round up parts for a build for my older brother for a AR15A2 20 in rifle ,Thanks again to Rob for the parts he donated to my build .