Horus Vision Scopes

[mistersunday]

Just curious if no one has heard of Horus scopes and reticles or if no one thought highly enough of them so why even bother? I've ordered my rifle about 8 weeks back and have been searching for some good glass to put on top of it ever since. When I came across the Horus system I was so impressed I wondered why everybody didn't have something to say about it. If ya'll got the time check it out at www.horusvision.com and let me know what you think about it. All I've ever used before was iron sights and the best I could do with those were about 10" groups out at 400 yds, and my eyes ain't what they used to be, but I still enjoy pickin' peices of debris out on the highline right-o-way and seein' how many shots it takes to hit it, then pacin' it off to get an idea how far away it was. Lately I've noticed it's been more shots and shorter walks, thus resulting in a bigger belly. Anyway let me know what you think about it and I'll try to be somewhat sociable around here.
Talk atcha later,
Mister Sunday

[calvinike]

Where are they made?

[mistersunday]

Check out the link. I believe they were developed in Australia, but they are sold out of California.

[calvinike]

Did not see a source on the Website. I talked to the lady that answered the phone for Dennis Sammut (website - general info). The scopes used to be made by Hakko (Japan) but now are being produced by Japan Light. She assured me that they are not Chinese sourced. Of course that does not rule out JL does not buy Chinese. She also could (would?) not say who JL produces other products for. BTW I have a Hakko Red Dot on a M-4 and it is a very good sight.

[50 Freak]

Seems kindy pricey for an unproven scope. I was interested in their short scopes. But at four figures, I'd want to make sure it was good or better than the other scopes out there for the same price.

[mistersunday]

Yeah I agree they are expensive, but no more than most scopes out there with a mil-dot or mil-radian sighting system in there reticle, and if you look at the predator scope it's targeting grid is in shooters minute of angle, which makes it a lot easier for my American mind.

[Survey Punk]

Pardon me. This is a GREAT scope!

http://www.jarheadtop.com/KONUS.htm

JB

[mistersunday]

I'm sure it is a great product, but right now I'm trying to find a riflescope to put atop my new toy I'm waiting on. I was really impressed with the way the Horus system worked and I'm trying to find out if anybody else had something to say about them. The only other scopes I've ever had experience with were
Bushnell 3-9x40 which I can honestly say never let me down and I treated them quite rough. As a previous poster said earlier they are somewhat expensive, however I have seen many on the market that go way beyond what these are listed for. What I really want is the ELCAN Specter IR+, but that's just nowhere near my budget

[armed1]

I've seen these and don't like them. That reticle is just too darn complicated for me. When I'm hunting, I usually hear the elk first, then search through the trees through the scope for the animal I want. I have never had more than 2 or 3 seconds to identify the animal, aim, and fire, before it disappears again.

For hunting, I prefer a medium thickness crosshair with a 3 MOA drop to the thick bar. I zero at 200 yards giving me a dead on crosshair shot from 50 to 300 yds with a 300 Win mag. Longer shots and the holdover is easy to estimate from the 3 MOA drop. I don't plan on shooting an elk past 400 yards (and that only if he's standing perfectly still, on flat terrain with no wind, and with my rifle on a rest).

I recommend a Zeiss conquest for the combination of superior clarity, excellent field of view, and great crosshair. You can get a 3-9x 40 for about $400.

[shootist87122]

Originally posted by mistersunday
Just curious if no one has heard of Horus scopes...

Yes. Several of the guys and one serious lady at my club use them on their precision competition rifles. They are excellent for shooting small targets at long and varying distances where speed is of the essense. Tactical Tim has one on his bolt gun, btw.

The benefit is for any given (known) distance you move to that specific crosshair and pull the trigger - no target knob needed to adjust to the desired "come-up". If I was seriously into "Precision Rifle" matches I woul have one.

They are pricey yet high quality, but might be a bit of overkill (no pun) for a hunting rifle; yet a hunting guide I used several year ago had the reticle put in his hunting scope. The crosshairs are very fine, btw.

IIRC, instead of 3/4 mil-dots I think the latest version are in 1/2 Mil-Dots to allow more precise aiming points.

We were ringing a 10" gong at 700 Meters with Tim's .308 bolt gun a while back with a significant cross wind...using Aussie 7.62. The mil-dots on each crosshair are also used to dope the wind consistantly.

These take a lot of range work to get the settings logged for your specific rifle and load.