Combat Load -Part II

[mosbysmen]

please put the new stuff here .. to many pages to wade through in part I

[Deltaten]

mosbymen:

Mebbe ya should call this new thread "Combat Load, part 'Deuce' " ;)
Yer right. The previous posting was gettin' a little cumbersome.

Best.
Paul

[Maine1]

Do the TT chest pouch straps cross in the back? if so how is the user-freindlyness of adjustment?

[Willard]

Mark, thanks for the info on the books (in thread one).
I have "A Rifleman Went to War"-I picked that up when I was stationed at Ft. Campbell. Hopefully the others will be reprinted at some point-there's always gunshow vendors, too.

The whole gear thing is interesting-the sudden boom in interest that has led to the development of some fascinating equipment for the individual soldier.

As an individual, though, do we really need to spend $600 on load bearing equipment of any sort? If the SHTF, will being dressed like Delta Force help me? Or would I be better off with a $60 chest rig and an ACOG or more ammo or an EMT class under my belt? Those are the questions I ask. OTOH, the stuff is pretty neat, and I have much more than I need.

But I try to have one set of LBE of some sort for each rifle I own. That way, if I have to arm my family or neighbors I can hand them a rifle and a set of web gear-even if it's only a Chinese chest pouch with three extra AK mags and a GI canteen for their belt. After Katrina I feel at least a little vindicated in that arena.

[Opie]

I would go with whatever works for you, and what is in your budget. Ultimately you are the one packing it, you know? I just have a couple of bandoleers for magazines, and a couple of the same for stripper clips. This is based off of the fact that I do not have a great deal of funds to buy all of the neat gee-whiz stuff, I don't have a great deal of ammo, and I will be packing other stuff too. I can only pack so much.

[gunplumber]

If you have to move, you have to carry "it"

What "it" may be, of course, is a discussion in itself.

Generally speaking, the more modern load bearing gear is designed with more material and ergonomic thought than earlier surplus stuff. A 50# load in a good harness carries a whole lot better than a 50 pound load in wwii canvas rig.

So if you have to move on foot, you gotta be able to haul "it" with you.

I have been pondering the hand cart some more.

[Willard]

When my children were much smaller I seriuosly considered a garden cart. Mark has got me thinking about one again. I could use one around the house anyway.


I wonder if the troops nowadays do full pack roadmarches with their body armor? IIRC, the guys on Anaconda in Afghanistan had them as well as their packs-that's got to be one tough mother to do, but perhaps they've gotten load management a little more perfected than they did 15 years ago.

[GySgt D]

Wow! The Combat Wheelbarrow is now getting some respect...:uhoh:

[medicman]

Originally posted by Maine1
Do the TT chest pouch straps cross in the back? if so how is the user-freindlyness of adjustment?

Yes, the TT MAV straps cross in the back. they are not padded, so if you are not wearing it over an IBA, it could get uncomfortable under a full load, but IMO, YMMV. I put the TT X-Harness on mine, and it is very comfortable, as Harness's go. The adjustments are pretty easy as well. The woodland X-Harness is on sale on tactical tailors website, if you are interested.

*edit, don't try to respond when tired,ie under an IBA! doooh.

[0302]

it seems prepositioning your gear / supplies is the way to go. learn from the afghans / taliban / squirrels- store goodies where you can find them if needed. i have a garmin gps unit and know how to land nav, it would not be hard to preposition about anything somewhere in the boonies where it could be accessed in a time of need. a case of mre's, moisin nagant rifle, ammo, water doesnt cost much and would be easy to stash. try carrying a weeks worth of mres and water, ammo and such, it will whoop your a** unless you are in top shape and at the end of the week - no more chow.

[rynich]

I just finished reading the other thread I have few comments that know one has brought up. I had the opportunity to train with the SAS while I was a LRSD (LRRP). I was amazed at how thier mind set was completely different then ours and after that it has always got me thinking in both parks.

The SAS guys thought alot about thier gear setup as if they might become POW's, which was a thought that at the time just wasn't in our mind set. I just always thought it would be a fight to the death if compromised. One of the SAS guys I had befriended had 220 ft of para cord zigzsag sown into the lining of his smock, and fishing line with hooks into the lapels of smock pockets, etc...

Anywhere, he could have sown little pieces of survival into his uniform he had it, Para cord was sown in such a way that if you ran your fingers across it you could not tell it was there.

So, I started to think about my combat load as if what if I had to escape Dien Ben Phu? I had to dump all my gear to just a few items and run for 2 days to save my butt. So, I sowed an additional cargo pocket underneath the one on my thigh on each leg. In these I broke down my MRE's and fillled the pockets. As a LRRP you spend a lot of time on the ground snoopin and poopin. I never had any problems with chaffing but you do not want to do this with loose BDU's you want them snug. Then I sowed 2 upper chest pockets on each sleeve one under the other. I kept one 20 rnd M-16 mag in each pocket and a note book and range card in the upper left. I cut the 2 lower pockets off because the seams eat holes in you after a long stroll. I kept the sand bars in my upper chest pockets, wallet, and tactical light. I kept my fighting knife on my belt that way it would always be on my body. with this setup, if I had to dump my LBE and boogie I had some ammo, food, and my fighting knife as last resort. I liked having my LBE high up on my chest right under my arm pits when moving and I would lower it when airborne jumps were needed. Underware, who wore underware! One extra T-shirt is all I could pack and socks lots of socks.

I'm a big chested guy so I had 4 M-16 mags on each side of my belt, 2 canteens, and I used a SAW pouch to hold a 2 quart canteen in the middle of my back. If you do it right it will fit in the triangular portion of the old large rucksack. I had my strobe on right side of my H-harness strap and field dressing on the left. I kept a smaller knife inbetween my canteen and the mag for utility purposes. My feeling was I would rather have more rounds for a long range weapon then different rounds for another weapon that was short range like a pistol. I had my cumpass in the front with a bax of dental floss and a needle inside of that. That way I could clean my teeth or sow up my uniform or gear on the fly or sew up wounds in a pinch. The other field dressing pouch on the front had a bottle of oil and a bottle of bug juice with a cravat in it for cleaning my weapon. My LBE loaded wieghed between 40-60 lbs.

For one very heavy mission I wieghed myself with gear and I think it was around 232lbs of gear. That radio Prick 77, SAT COM gear, batteries, more water, smoke grenades, flares, etc...

The set up above I found it to be the best for being on the ground alot and easy to get to, if you had to roll to one side you didn't have the low slung ammo pouches digging onto your thigh and lifting up you ass to get to gear. When you got to the prone position I would undue my front LBE buckle and it kept all my mags just uder my chin where I found I could load and reload faster then the guys around me. I spent 6 yrs doing this and if you set it up right it works well at least it did for me. It may look a little goofy with no gear around your midsection but if you have to get on the ground there is no gear to move out of the way. It feels like you are wearing water wings, but you get used to it.

I just thought I would add some of my experience to the thread.

[rynich]

Here is cheap chest rig idea for guys on a budget.

get a small size set of the H-harness roughly $2-5.00
a pistol belt $3-10.00
Mag pouches and anything else you want.

Now para cord the H-harness into the belt with the buckle in the back, string it up high and there you go. Attach the gear how you want and it it can be custom to your needs. If you use the old quick release you can take it off with one hand like a bra:biggrin:

[Farmer from Hell]

Well if we must continue discussing this subject I think its reasonable to discuss the 1st 2nd and 3rd line gear theory proposed on another website by a gentleman that goes by the handle tire iron. He has apparently been there done that and got the T-shirt and is happy to share knowledge.

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First Line Gear is the stuff that you want with you no matter what. Lets say you were doing a river crossing, and you lost for footing. Guess what, you will ditch your ruck, your rifle and your LBE/LBV so you can swim to shore.

Or you are on the run, and have already ditched your ruck and since you are out of ammo you have ditched your rifle and LBE/LBV. You know, run away and live to fight another day. And this stuff DOES happen. So plan for the contigency.

SO....1st Line Gear:

Compass (Silva Ranger Type or Lensatic)
Map of AO (factory folds, laminated, no additional marking - so if you lose it, it does not TOTALLY compromise the mission)
Small Red LED flashlight (the Micro lights work for this - this is to read the map with at night)
Riggers Belt
Watch (waterproof)
Swiss Army Knife/Multitool
BFK on Drop Sheath
Strong Side Drop Holster
Side Arm
1 Spare Mag for Side Arm
Water holder (small canteen - I use a collaspable 'Platypus' 1 liter container)

# Small First Aid Kit Band Aids Small Tube of Neosporin Couple Asprins/Motrin Compress/Tampons
# Small Survival Kit
# Fish Hooks Fishing line Sinkers Fire starter (flint/steel/etc.) Packets of Top Ramen Mix WITHOUT NOODLES Snare Making Material (64 gauge brass wire)" Empty film canister full of dryer lint Water Purification
# 550 cord on Boonie Hat (25') Here is a link on 'how to daisy chain 550 cord' http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291101243

Blast Match
Flight Gloves
'Do Rag' (USGI Triangular OD Bandage worn 'bandit style' around neck)


TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st LINE GEAR IS 9 POUNDS! ALL of this stuff is carried on YOU. In your pockets, on your belt, etc. NOT IN YOUR BVE/LBV or RUCK!! Remember to 'dummy cord' everything to your body, so when you need it, it is still there (not 6 miles back for the enemy to find and use).
With these items you can literally survive to fight another day. Without them, your survival odds just turned against you. Now my 'list' may vary somewhat from yours depending on AO's and our different needs, but this list is a good guidline to start from.

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Well, 2nd Line Gear is your 'FIGHTING GEAR'. So, here is my list of 2nd Line Gear:

LBV
# Fighting RifleBushmaster M4gery
# Bushmaster Dissapator
# AKM
# FN-FAL

# Magazines AR - 12 30 round mags
# FN - 8 20 round mags
# AK - 8 30 rounds mags
# 1 20 round mag of tracer (5.56mm when carrying Bushmaster)

GPS
Emergency Flares
Smoke Generator - White
Bug Repellent
Carabiner
20' of 1" OD nylon tubing (for expedient rappel harness) Rappel Harness
Camo Pack (for face, neck and hands/arms)
FRS communication device
# AA Batteries On a 'per day basis'2 for the GPS
# 6 for the FRS
# 2 for PVS-14

# CR-1/3N Battery On a 'per week basis'1 for Aimpoint
# Weapon Cleaning Gear
# Rod/Pull Through
# Bore Brush
# Chamber Brush
# Patches
# CLP
Day/Night Flare
Water Bladder (Platypus Hoser 3 Liter)
Water Purification Tabs
550 Cord - 20 feet
OPTIONAL - Binos
Hearing Protection
Red Lense Flashlight (Mini-Mag or my personal favorite the plycarbonite Pelican AA model, weighs about 1/2 what the Mini-Mag does) And in the Butt Pack:
Poncho Liner - Woodland Camo USGI
Poncho - Woodland Camo USGI
Stripped MRE's (approx 3)
# First Aid Kit Gauze Bandages
# Mil-Compress
# 2 Suture Kits
# Motrin
# Lomotil
# Burn Cream
# Q-tips
# 2 packets of USGI 'Sodium Cloride - Sodium Bicarbonate'
# Snake Bite Kit

Canteen USGI
Canteen Cup USGI
Canteen Cup Stove USGI
Canteen Carrier w/ Water Tabs USGI
4 Trioxane Tabs
With the above mentioned load - one is able to live and fight for a 1-2 day period without resupply.
REMEMBER TO DUMMY CORD ANY ITEMS TO YOUR LBV!

# TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st AND 2nd LINE GEAR IS: w/ 12 + 1 mags (390 rds)- 56 pounds
# WITH DISSAPATOR w/ 12 + 1 mags (390 rds) - 57 pounds
# WITH AKM w/ 8 + 1 mags (270 rds) - 59 pounds
# WITH FN w/ 8 + 1 mags (180 rds) - 60 pounds

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So...3rd Line Gear is LIVING GEAR. This thread will address a 'light' load for 3rd Line Gear. With this load-out, you can live and fight for 3-5 days without resupply.

This load fits in my Small Eagle Becker Ruck, and will also work great in the Small ALICE ruck.

So here we go:

4 10' lengths of OD bungee cord (multiple uses)
20' of 550 cord
2 Liter Water carrier (civy canteen - wide mouth)
Water Bladder (Camelback Storm is in my Becker)
Water Purifier (I use the 'Pur Hiker')
Sleeping Bag I use a Wiggy's Summer Bag in OD if it is too cold for just a poncho-liner/poncho roll)
Sleeping Pad (I use a Thermarest - my old body needs the padding now)
OPTIONAL - Bivy Shelter (I have a Slumber-Jack model in OD - this is if the weather is too crappy for a 'hooch')
2 pair of socks USGI OD
1 set of cammies (top and bottom)
1 OD Tee Shirt
5 MRE's - Stripped
4 packets of Top Ramen
Gore Tex Rain Suit Top and Bottom
1 Packet of 'Bum Wipes' (Baby Wipes) UNSCENTED!
Small tooth brush NO TOOTH PASTE!
AA Batteries 24 pack
Extra Ammo in bandoleers


TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st, 2nd and 3rd LINE (Light) GEAR IS:
# WITH M4gery w/ 12 + 1 mags and 1 140 rd bando (530 rds)- 86 poundsWITH DISSAPATOR w/ 12 + 1 mags and 1 140 rd bando (530 rds) - 87 pounds
# WITH AKM w/ 8 + 1 mags and 140 rds boxed (410 rds) - 92 pounds

This is a good moderate load that will not kill you to carry for up to 5 days.

OK, with 3rd Line Gear (Heavy) - we mean you need to live out of your ruck for up to two weeks, or it is winter and you must carry more gear. This load out that I have here is for a winter scenario that lasts for 8 days or so.

Again, this is *my* list and your may vary from it.

This fits in my Eagle Large Becker, but will also work with the Large ALICE pack.

So...here goes for 3rd Line (Heavy)


4 10' lengths of OD bungee cord
20' of 550 cord
2 Liter Water carrier (civy wide mouth canteen)
Water Bladder Camelback Storm in Ruck
Water Purifier (I use a 'Pur Hiker')
Sleeping Bag (I use a Wiggy's Winter Bag - UltraLight in OD)
Sleeping Pad Thermarest
Bivy Shelter (I use a Sierra Designs - Light Year CD - it works great as a cold weather bivy)
4 pair of socks USGI OD
2 set of cammies (top and bottom)
2 OD Tee Shirts
8 MRE's - Stripped v6 packets of Top Ramen with Noodles
Gore Tex Rain Suit Top and Bottom v1 Packet of 'Bum Wipes' (Baby Wipes) UNSCENTED!
Small tooth brush NO TOOTH PASTE!
AA Batteries 24 pack vExtra Ammo in bandoleers
2 Pair Thermal Underwear (Thermax/Polypro,etc.)
Winter Gloves
Sleep Hat USGI OD
4 pair Thermo Socks
Snow Camo (I use West German Top and Bottom Over Garments)

# TOTAL WEIGHT OF 1st, 2nd and 3rd LINE (Heavy) GEAR IS: WITH M4gery w/ 12 + 1 mags and 2 140 rd bando (670 rds)- 106 pounds
# WITH DISSAPATOR w/ 12 + 1 mags and 2 140 rd bando (670 rds) - 107 pounds
# WITH AKM w/ 8 + 1 mags and 280 rds boxed (550 rds) - 111 pounds
# WITH FN w/ 8 + 1 mags and 2 100 rd bandos (380 rds) - 108 pounds

This is a large load, and unless one is in good shape, it will overburden one to the point of exhaustion in short order. So...HIT THE GYM!
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End quote.

I see no BS in TI's posts so I take what he says to heart. If you run across TI on the web be sure to say howdy and thank him for sharing a portion of his knowledge with the huddled masses.

Now if y'all excuse me Ive got to fix the flat on my assault wheelbarrow.

FfH

[rynich]

That is some good info and load out list. There are some items though that I feel I would not need unless I was dumped in a totally foriegn evironment. The first that comes to mind is a GPS, I know the area where I live. A topo map would be fine. But I plan on and have been networking with friends and nieghbors in strategic locals to secure our area and help those that can't help themselves. I 'm not an Army of one and think your suvival is very limited if you think in that mind set. I basically will have to fight and die in place because with small children moving on my own would not work.
As some of you saw this last November here in south west indiana we had Tornado's that made the national news. These are the kinds of events that I plan for, it was said that when the Tornado's had passed the looters moved right in. For this situation I have blankets and things to help those that have lost everything, I have 3 gear load outs but each is for different situations.

limited catastrophy: 1-7 days with helping local ems and security
sustained catastrophy: 1month-2yrs with helping local ems and security
absolute distruction: SHTF no local support everyone for themselves

I'm not leaving my AO this is my home and this is where I die! No bugging out here needed.

I purchased my home based on the city size and topo avenues of approach, My home is the only 2 story on my block. From roof I can see almost all approaches in a 360. Lastly in my area I have never seen or known so many Bow hunters, even the kids can shoot like robin hood. Takes no gunpowder and can be very quiet.

Now, as we also saw with NO looters and selfish people are going to be your worst enemy in my opinion and it is this mind set that I have to prepare for. I'm sure many of have seen hungry angry goes after missing one meal they thought was coming. I just can't imagine the untrained types in that situation this is NO went tits up. My plan is to network with people that skills and training that can give the untrianed leadership and direction so thier situation does not seem so bad.

Its just my opinion if you don't reachout to others and give them a heads up of your intentions you may find yourself very alone and out numbered if the SHTF.

[jacketch]

Its just my opinion if you don't reachout to others and give them a heads up of your intentions you may find yourself very alone and out numbered if the SHTF. Probably one of the most important things to follow if the SHTF or TEOTWAWKI and best if done before hand.

[Czechsix]

Interesting loadout list - I always like to see what folks carry. One thing that'd be missing for me is footpowder - to me that crap is critical. I also use a little squirt bottle of iso alcohol to wipe the soles down - helps toughen them, draws moisture out and lessens blistering.

[stormtrooper]

+1 on the footcare comment. They are the best and most critical gear you own. Take care of them!

[TnHawk-45]

One thing I never carry anymore is a RED lense light. Shine it on a topo map and you will soon find the contour lines disappear. For me the blue lense works much better as the lines stay put and it does not stick out at night like a tail light. It is also not confused like the red by Air Force types who think it is tracer coming at them. Don't laugh, it happened at Grenada and caused a 'friendly fire' incident.

[Papadoc]

Bump!

[DigitalNY]

Regarding the foot care in the field; Be careful when selecting foot powders. Some are made with talc and some are made with cornstarch.

The footpowders made with talc are fine for every day life where your not hiking miles at a time but in the more strenuous conditions talc acts as an abrasive and it also clogs the pores.

Cornstarch based foot powders aren't as abrasive and have the added benefit of being unscented if you make your own. If you need an anti-fungal foot powder it may be a reasonable idea to get some tea tree oil (available many places online, do a google search). Mixing a few drops of tea tree oil in with a cup of cornstarch works great as an antifungal foot powder.

For that matter Tea Tree Oil has several other handy uses and although it may not be one of the things to carry in your 'combat load' it would be handy to keep around your camp. Tea Tree Oil Info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil)

DigitalNY

[cabofdoom]

been using Tea Tree Oil for years as a topical anti biotic/ anti fungal. If I recall, it was (is?) standard issue in Aussie Millitary first aid kits...but I might be parroting rumors/ folklore I heard somewhere. If Im wrong, please correct me

COD

[mortgun]

A few years ago I saw a Swiss military mountain bike with a rifle holder and places to hold packs. This might be an option for mobility.

[Gunga Din]

Here are current sources for the books Mark mentioned:

A Rifleman Went to War
Herbert W McBride
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0935856013

Ordnance Went Up Front
Roy F Dunlap
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1884849091/sr=1-1/qid=1157227930
(Presently this book is kinda spendy.)

Shots Fired in Anger
Lt Col John George
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/102-6832407-9445708?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Shots+Fired+in+Anger&Go.x=10&Go.y=8

[rcnpthfndr]

might not want to rely on gps. with the Govt ability to send a spoofing signal that would affect all gps systems except those that are encrypted they wouldnt be all that reliable. i would rely on the good ol map and compass.

[Zen Master]

Yeah, a TEOTWAWKI situation might very well mean no more GPS. EMP anyone?

[Hoss]

Originally posted by gunplumber
If you have to move, you have to carry "it"

What "it" may be, of course, is a discussion in itself.

Generally speaking, the more modern load bearing gear is designed with more material and ergonomic thought than earlier surplus stuff. A 50# load in a good harness carries a whole lot better than a 50 pound load in wwii canvas rig.

So if you have to move on foot, you gotta be able to haul "it" with you.

I have been pondering the hand cart some more.

Mark,

Here's the answer you've been looking for.

ATACS (http://www.combatreform.com/atac.htm)

http://www.combatreform.com/ut2000tacticaltow.gif

[gunplumber]

The product looks interesting but thats got to be the WORST WRITTEN website I've seen in ages. Rambling and babbling with no direction. They would be well suited to get a tech writer to redo it if they actually want to sell it.

The mormans used carts too on their exodus to SLC.

http://www.handcart.com/BUILDING.HTM

- usually the 60 pound cart carried 250 pounds, but sometimes as much as 450# with NO METAL FITTINGS.

I just got back from an overnighter in the mounains with the scouts. I used my ALICE harness but instead of the 12 fal mags I filled my ammo pouches with chow and added a camelback instead of a rucksack - just tied poncho and 2 x liners to my butpack.

This was extremely uncomfortable to carry, I discovered. Wiht the weight of the loaded mags removed from the front, and the camelback and extra stuff added to my butpack, the load was very unbalanced to the rear and the belt kept crawling up my belly to my ribs.

Another example of the importance of TESTING YOUR EQUIPMENT under field conditons prior to relying on it.

[dirtyrice]

dude come on an emp large enough to knock out all gps satellites id think wed all be dead by then. but yea i dont exactly expect it to work if shtf.

[Zen Master]

More concerned with the reliability of a chinzy electronic device. A compass does not need batteries, can survive the "five foot drop" or a dunk in the creek.

And hey, a couple of my uncle's pals used to drag a cart full of gear with 'em when they went hunting because they loved cooking on cast iron, big fancy breakfasts, all that. It saved their backs, but boy howdy they hated lugging that thing through brush.

Bug out wagon might be fine on a sidewalk (shopping cart? works for the crackheads), but heavy underbrush will be a nightmare.

E&E with wheels growing out of your butt doesn't sound like a good time.:whiskey:

ps- for a true combat wheelbarrow, rent one of the Shogun Assassin movies.

[goldenspurholderx2]

Originally posted by TnHawk-45
One thing I never carry anymore is a RED lense light. Shine it on a topo map and you will soon find the contour lines disappear. For me the blue lense works much better as the lines stay put and it does not stick out at night like a tail light. It is also not confused like the red by Air Force types who think it is tracer coming at them. Don't laugh, it happened at Grenada and caused a 'friendly fire' incident.

Did you know that if you use a regular yellow highlighter on your map then shine a blue light on it, it kinda glows. Used to use it for important stuff at night like phase lines and such.

[gunplumber]

most military maps are now labeled "red light readable" and the topo lines do not disappear. I believe it was in the 1980s when they changed.

Since the PVS5s you could do rudimentary map reading but not plotting due to the focal distance, but with the advent of the PVS7s, there is nothing I can't do in pitch darkness under the IR illumination with the PVS7s. Grid coordinates, resection, terrain analysis, etc.

There is always the ponch "tent" for maintaining light discipline while doing map checks.

[RKBA01]

bump

[PARA FN FAL]

Pics or links to pics of gear would be good here.

But one of my pet peeves is gear that looks brand new that has only been used from the living room to the bedroom and back.

[MtnWulf]

I think the multilevel approach to your gear is a good idea.

You need different quantities if walking the property to a week long backpacking trip.

Went with my son's scout troop to Philmont for 11 days of backpacking. We received food supplies every 3rd day or so, and did a very strenuous itinerary. We weighed our packs when leaving for the trail head and I remember my pack weighed 40 lbs, my son's pack weighed 42, but he carried more of our food.

If I remember I packed a Kelty Pacific Crest pack, a down sleeping bag, a Coleman 3 man tent, ground cloth, canteen cup and spoon, small med/hygiene kit, big bag of trail mix, bag of jerky, GI 2 qt. canteen and pouch with strap, PUR water filter ( for everyone's use), GI wool 4 button sweater, pr. pants, long sleeve shirt, 2 sets underwear and tees, 2 pr wool socks, Cold Steel Trailmaster Bowie, Victorinox Swiss Champ, some parachord and a small fishing/snare kit in a screw top Daisy pellet tin, Mini Mag light and spare AA batteries, lighter and matches, map, disposable cameras ( pre-digital age), 1 qt Nalgene water bottle, binoculars, and maybe a few odds and ends I've forgotten.

If you add more food, a rifle with mags and ammo, a cleaning kit, better med supplies and some comm equipment you could maybe keep it under 60lbs.:fal: