Combat load-chaff

[16R40]

all you need is 2 LORCINs, a baseball cap, and you are good to go :D

http://www.hunt101.com/img/322848.jpg

[Temp]

Originally posted by gunplumber


http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/webpictures/businesscard.jpg

Nice graphic

[Witchhunter]

gunplumber, Get some polish on those boots.
:biggrin:

[cabofdoom]

Hey Sword, is that the Molle rig you picked up on EBay last year? Hows it holding up? Any more mods since you added the Austrian pack?

TIA

COD

[Sword of Laban]

cabofdoom it is, my #1 complaint is that I have a long torso so my web belt rests on my stomach rather than my waist, other than that its holding up, I have made a lot of revisions to the load out The nonslip is thin and tore allong the stitch on my dominate shoulder cosmetic not function.

[Sword of Laban]

Not to go off topic too much but now any parts are illegal to import from Russia, that is difficult for my to buy. Now if he was misrepresenting what he was importing that’s altogether something different.

[BlackCat]

No, it isn't. He's a regular guy with a name like "Dave" or "Mike" or somesuch. I've dealt with him for years and he's aboveboard.

[762 shooter]

One mother was a former Airforce Security police. The other retired airforce.

Another I've never seen without a 1911 on his hip.

The other aformer cop.

And another is absentee (winter home)

Another a former rancher and hunter (small game)

and the other a Morman with an AR and a FAL.


Mark, when a house goes up for sale around you let me know! I want to join your club!

[kfranz]

I've tried to be civil and decent

As a disinterested third party, you came across as pretty condesending to me. You might want to stay in your lane

[AGC]

Ronin:

You're getting the "dogshit tore out" of you because you're claiming expertise you don't have, and you're claiming it to people who have been "being there and doing that" since before you were out of diapers.

You will find your military career much more pleasant, not to mention useful to all parties, if you talk less and llisten more.

[Ronin556]

You're getting the "dogshit tore out" of you because you're claiming expertise you don't have, and you're claiming it to people who have been "being there and doing that" since before you were out of diapers.

You will find your military career much more pleasant, not to mention useful to all parties, if you talk less and llisten more.

AGC - Look man - I appreciate your opinion, but PLEASE - show me ONE example where I claimed experience or expertise I don't have.

I've been straight forward about myself, but that doesn't mean I'm incapable of learning.

Basically, you're just jumping on the bandwagon and wasting bandwidth at this point. If you disagree, and think that the carabiner is the way to go, let's hear it!

If not, stop insulting me.
I actually use this stuff, and believe it or not, I do "drill" so I'm not COMPLETELY ignorant.

[kfranz]

Ronin, I'll bet you $10 to the files that GP is what he claims, namely 14 years in the Army, much of it in special operations. "Much of it" is a bit imprecise, but lets just take it for face value for the purpose of the wager.

Regardless of whether or not you take me up on it, you should probably head on over to the lightfighter.com forums if old school ain't your school. You'll be warmly welcomed there.

[Ronin556]

Look, before any of you say I'm trying to "claim to be" Special Forces, I was under the impression their ad-hoc mantra is "adapt and overcome".

If there is a better way of doing something, you do that - right?

Where is this "I'll stick with what I know works" mentality coming from?

Why the hostility if he's Ex-SF? Wouldn't he be "confident" in his methods? Couldn't he cite experience as "tried and true" proof that he is right?

All I'm sayin' is between the arrogent rambling, and insults, how come no one is calling bullshit but me?

I'm sure that GP is a dude who's BTDT and all - but so was my grandad. You know what he could teach you about modern warfare?
Nada.

Times change, if you guys are a "golfer's with guns" club, I'll see my way out, and go back to lurking.

If you don't want to keep current, why bother acting like you know what's going on?

[gunplumber]

As you demonstrated in the quarantine thread - you cannot maintain a consistent chain of thought.

That you want to use a dump pouch, in which you can keep a gas mask that is not used for NBC (its used for . .. . ?), and which you will stick somewhere else (up your ass?) once "on the ground" is fine.

And you know this is a superior method than those you think only work at Camp Livingroom, and maintain with the voracity of a pit-bull, based on experience you admit to not having.

I can argue your position better than you can, and I disagree with you!


put yourself in the place of a new guy who's getting the dogsnot torn out of him by some guy who thinks he's Yoda of the gun world because he was in the military.

Funny - you have used your yet-to-occur airforce training as a source of credibility, as participating in ROTC basic camp . . ..

'm not sure what passes for curtesy around here.
I've tried to be civil and decent. . .. . taking note as to what a fuckin' jerk you are.


I think this is called the suicide arguement. Like "there are no absolutes - I know this absolutely" or " I cannot write a single word in English"

I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry for you.

What exactly did you do in the service that makes you so qualified bud? . . . .

Aparently, nothing. Since people can be whoever they want on the internet and "you doubt I am what I claim to be" (which is what?)

Why did you delete the post where you wagered I wasn't what I claimed to be? (Again, what have I claimed to be?)

As far as I know, the only thing I have claimed to be is a super ninja warrior and an armchair commando. Which is supposed to humorous self depreciation.

I have said that Rotc basic camp is not a conclusive source for infantry tactics, but only a very simplistic introduction.



I think had my ideas been recieved with something other than hostility, you guys would probably find me an entirely different character.

Perhaps if you presented your ideas with something other than hostility, you would have found entirely different replies .. . . . .

[Farmer from Hell]

Originally posted by Ronin556
Farmer from hell,
Much of my learning has been from the same guy, and I gave credit to his website which provided that picture. I've got no desire to drag him into my frays, but you're quite right - I'm not him, and wouldn't claim to be.
That said, this mag pull wasn't "My" Idea - it was someone from TCT's, I tried it and found it works WAY better than the loops FOR ME.

OK my internet acronym vocab is lacking what is TCT? Web sites come and go like my electric bill.

FfH

[Ronin556]

Funny - you have used your yet-to-occur airforce training as a source of credibility, as participating in ROTC basic camp . . ..

GP - It wasn't a one time Basic camp. It was 2 years of APFT's, FTX's, STX's and battle drills at the country's 8th most active military science program.

You've still failed to address how the dump pouch is inferior.

Why don't you give up on the shit talking?

Farmer,
The Combat Triad = TCT

To the rest of you - I'll shut up and take your advice.
Thanks for at least not being COMPLETE pricks.

[AGC]

Ronin:

You really ought to try that "talk less, listen more" advice.

I'm offering it _much_ more nicely than your instructors and NCOs ever will.

You're not "COMPLETELY ignorant" perhaps, but you clearly haven't yet learned the most important step to overcoming ignorance: realizing just how little you actually know.

[gunplumber]

GP - It wasn't a one time Basic camp. It was 2 years of APFT's, FTX's, STX's and battle drills at the country's 8th most active military science program

WOW - so you are a super cadet! Except ROTC for non-prior service is a 4 year program. What happened to your MSIII and MSIV years?


either MAN THE **** UP and start being direct, or SHUT THE **** UP

This must be another example of I've tried to be civil and decent..

and stop being a little pussy about this with your whimpering and petty slander.

Uh, it would be libel, not slander, and see those little bold letters? html (b) . .. (/b) - those are direct quotes from you, so if they are false, its because you made a false statement. The (i)....(/i) is a a paraphrase becasue you deleted your original post. Is that called "man the **** up"? Or is that a "whoops - I sure stepped on my weewee and better delete that post before anyone notices . . .. . ?

[Ronin556]

WOW - so you are a super cadet! Except ROTC for non-prior service is a 4 year program. What happened to your MSIII and MSIV years?

Indeed.
I ran out of money, and figured I'd give the Civilian schools a go for a while.

Sorry for the beligerant tone, I edited it because it WAS uncalled for.

The other post you refered to was not deleted.

STILL WAITING for your rebuttle about the dump pouch dude.

[mongoose]

Careful guys, they may be more than one 12 SFG guy around. Group tends to stick togaether.

[kfranz]

Originally posted by Ronin556
I'm sure that GP is a dude who's BTDT and all - but so was my grandad. You know what he could teach you about modern warfare?
Nada.



Perhaps you should visit with your gramps about mindset. Maybe see what he thinks about its importance vs. where you stash your empty mags.

Really though, the lightfighter forums are pretty good for hard chargers like yourself.

[Ronin556]

Perhaps you should visit with your gramps about mindset. Maybe see what he thinks about its importance vs. where you stash your empty mags.

Trust me bud, there is no one I'd:
a. Rather talk to
b. have talked to more in depth

About matters of war and peace and the combat mindset.
Even as a man well into his 70's, he understands why magazine retention is paramount.
So, again before you old timers jump my shit for simply being a "hard charger", you should consider some of the points I'm making.

GunPlumber - There. That wasn't so hard, was it?
That was a great post - devoid of sarcasm, and to the point.

where are you going to put it? Every inch of my harness had something on it. with an M16 2x canteens, butpack, 4x mag pouches, compass, knife, battle dressing. pen light, strobe light, motorola, smoke grenades, frag grenades (?). Law rocket, or AT4, or 60mm mortar round, or 84 mm KG round, or belt of ammo for the weapon squad . With an M249 substitute 2x drums for the 4x mag pouches. With an M60 substitue 2 x mag pouches, T&E and 2x demo bags with 480 rounds and sidearm for the 4x mag pouches

We are attacking the same beast from entirely opposite angles.
I'm discussing this from my present perspective - someone who has little or no support, NO artillary of any sort, including 'nades, AT-4/LAW, Mortars or anything else.

There is a bit of exaggeration going on, because as you said, much of that equipment is mutually exclusive. You can't carry a mortar tube and an AT-4.

All I can say is that the Unit I'm working with and the one you worked with are REAL different with regards to gear requirements and parameters.

[gunplumber]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ronin556
GunPlumber - There. That wasn't so hard, was it?
That was a great post - devoid of sarcasm, and to the point.


There goes the suicide again. Or is sarcasm bad only when you are the target?


There is a bit of exaggeration going on, because as you said, much of that equipment is mutually exclusive. You can't carry a mortar tube and an AT-4.

Who said anything about a mortar tube? Weapons platoon can carry their own tube and baseplate. The rounds on the other hand, are crossloaded around the rest of the company, as is any GPMG ammo in excess of the 1200 round basic load carried by a gun team that should be 3 men but invariably is two, or with this stupid evolution of the GPMG into a Rambo 1 man gun team. Mortars goes through a bunch of ammo in a very short time - easily 60 rounds a minute (three tubes) not counting illumination rounds HE @ 4.5# x 60 rd/min = 270 pounds a minute down range - somebody has to carry it..

All I can say is that the Unit I'm working with and the one you worked with are REAL different with regards to gear requirements and parameters.

What unit is a recruit who hasn't even begun basic training "working with"?

[mark214]

I am guessing the drill instructors are going to have a lot fun with this guy as he "teaches" them correct military tactics and equipment:]

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by mark214
I am guessing the drill instructors are going to have a lot fun with this guy as he "teaches" them correct military tactics and equipment:]

Well - it is the Air Force - they will probably just put him on time out or take away his cookie priviledges . .. . *




* joke - interservice rivalry, not to be taken as a realistic appraisal of Air Force basic training . .. . or is it?

[Ronin556]

* joke - interservice rivalry, not to be taken as a realistic appraisal of Air Force basic training . .. . or is it?

Now here is a joke I can get in on!
Air Force basic is laughable.

Air Force TAC/P Tech school - is not.

Don't think I'm stupid old fella, I'm not going to touch custom gear, or any of that stuff until I've got the "stool" built.

I know I've got lots to learn, but I've done a good bit of Tactical shooting, not the least of which is frequent repititions of the MEU(SOC)'s M4 carbine qualification... and I know how the "gear" works for me. I'm certainly not going to be saying much until I'm given the opportunity to prove I have the Tactical Knowledge, Mindset, and Weapon Skills to back it up.

Seriously, if you've got "gear" now, I'll bet most of you arn't going to be carrying a LAW - try situating it to where you've got a dump pouch, even a Cheap TAG pouch if you don't wanna blow the coin, or take up much space - you'll see what I'm talkin about. If you're going into a fight, it SURE as hell beats shoving mags down your shirt, or trying to fumble around with a carabiner.

[SHARPSHOOTER]

Ronin556

Seriously, if you've got "gear" now, I'll bet most of you arn't going to be carrying a LAW - try situating it to where you've got a dump pouch, even a Cheap TAG pouch if you don't wanna blow the coin, or take up much space - you'll see what I'm talkin about. If you're going into a fight, it SURE as hell beats shoving mags down your shirt, or trying to fumble around with a carabiner.


please tell me how many times have you been on the two way rifle range?

[ER]

GP - It wasn't a one time Basic camp. It was 2 years of APFT's, FTX's, STX's and battle drills at the country's 8th most active military science program.

ROFLMAO....I went that route too(Army scholarship to Clemson)....I got an education when I got commissioned. My uncle, retired LTC with 30 yrs as a straight leg infantryman, commisioned me at 0720 9May86. His advice was LISTEN AND LEARN FROM YOUR NCO`S. Best damn advice anyone ever gave to me. If I were you, I`d open my ears(eyes?) when the BTDT guys on this board speak(write?). You might not agree with them, BUT LISTEN AND THINK ABOUT IT.

Dude, ROTC basic camp is soooooo lame(and I was Army....not zoomie) all my TAC Occifers thought I was prior service.

FWIW, in my time the "SAW" was called a "pig" and fired a real round:wink: we ALL helped hump ammo for that beast.

[BlackCat]

Fer chrissakes.....

Try the freaking carabiner one afternoon at the range and drop it until then.

There's a valuable lesson to come from this that doesn't involve dump pouches, "kill counts", or grandma's homespun wisdom.
Pick your battles, learn that even if you're right sometimes, the other invovled parties don't give a rat's ass what you think or feel. Hell, he might even be right.
Suck it up and don't engage in tang-like or hole-digging behavior that you'll regret at a later, more collected point.
And no, I'm not listening.

[doktor_ecchs]

There was this old bull and a young bull standing on a hill, staring down at the herd of cows in the valley below. The young bull says "hey old timer, let's run down there and screw us one of them cows!" The old bull looks over at the young bull and says "Let's WALK down there and fu*K ALL of 'em!!!" :biggrin:

as ever,
Dr. X :fal:

[762 shooter]

Ronin556 sounds alot like a fellow named Swamprat.

[SHARPSHOOTER]

He freely admits he has no operational exprience, yet he proceeds to give his opinion on what works best in a fire fight.Your opinion with no operational experience carries no water.Ronin 556 Get some time in with an active operational unit then comeback and let us know what you think.

[Ronin556]

I bet less than half of you actually know wtf you're talking about, or have seen a combat loadout in the last 20 years.

He freely admits he has no operational exprience, yet he proceeds to give his opinion on what works best in a fire fight.Your opinion with no operational experience carries no water.Ronin 556 Get some time in with an active operational unit then comeback and let us know what you think.

Least I ain't a poser like some of you old fools.
Just because you slow-fire at the range once a month, you're in the know?

I know PLENTY of prior services jackoffs that don't know rat shit from rice crispies, let alone what's REALLY effective in tactical shooting. If you were combat arms, and you were current, you'd have a much better idea of what's going on in the tactical world. Being prior serivce REMF's from the 80's doesn't exactly put you at the top of the heap, did you know that?

I routinely shoot tactical courses of fire, and from my experience with that alone, I can tell you THAT A DUMP POUCH WORKS BETTER THAN A CARABINER.

You guys don't even want to discuss the validity of what I'm talkin' about, you just want to **** with the new guy because you know you're not even "has beens".

Why don't you SHOW ME WHERE I'M WRONG instead of making yourselves look like assholes by acting like a bunch of fat asses at a poncy country club for people who shoot?
Think you can do that?

[762 shooter]

Ronin, how do you feel about dry firing? sorry, couldn't help myself.

[Terick]

Please, no more...

:rofl:




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[Ronin556]

Ronin, how do you feel about dry firing? sorry, couldn't help myself.

I'm not sure if this is a joke or what, but dry firing?
Crucial to developing good trigger control. Probably more important than actual "life fire" when it comes to strengthening fundemental skills like Sight picture, sight alignment and trigger control.
That's "how I feel" about it.

Gunplumber - quite possibly the most useless post ever.
Bravissimo.
Still waiting on your "experience" with a dump pouch that says it's inferior to the Carabiner or "down the shirt" method... I suppose trying to get a decent conversation out of you is like squeezing water from a rock.

I suppose I'm being likened to those dipshits in the pictures because I'm not active duty at present. :rolleyes: Real mature buddy.

By the way, saying that a dude who's worked on cars his whole life but isn't a mechanic isn't qualified to speak on automotive issues is just plain stupid, and pretty much tantamount to your arguement here.

As of now, you have failed to:
a. provide any proof of combat experience
b. prove you've actually compared said methods side by side
c. have any dignity at all regarding anyone's opinion besides your own

I really don't think just simply going into the military qualifies one to speak as if they were a god on all things shooting. Many of the worlds top HRT, SWAT and competition shooters are non-prior service.
Likewise, a close friend of mine is ex-army, has a few kills under his belt, and doesn't really give two shits about anything other than beer and women. He's not 'dedicated' to learning new techniques, developing the mindset, or tactical skill. Is his opinion worth more than someone who does do those things?

Do any of you even have a reason for antagonizing me, or is that just what passes for fun around here?

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Ronin556
Do any of you even have a reason for antagonizing me, or is that just what passes for fun around here?

You mean aside from you being a complete babbling fool - and drawing fire like a deer on a rattle-battle range? Well . . . it is kindof fun. . . in a sad and pathetic kindof way.

Have you taken the Mall Ninja Combat Course yet?


Love & Kisses
- GP
75th Infantry (POSER) (HASBEEN)

[SHARPSHOOTER]

Ronin 556

I bet less than half of you actually know wtf you're talking about, or have seen a combat loadout in the last 20 years.


Ronin 556 also posted:

Least I ain't a poser like some of you old fools.
Just because you slow-fire at the range once a month, you're in the know?


First of all you smartmouth little punk I just got done doing a year in Iraq running missions from Baghdad to Erbil and taking fire and giving some back as well , I was a LEO before that and a Correctional Law Officer on a SORT team before that, I spent 6 years in the US ARMY 716th MP BN we ran combat support operations (MSR, TCP and Convoy Escort ,fire support to units requiring it and Battlefield Prisoner Collection and I have put my share of rounds down range in combat. I was in Operation Just Cause and Operation Desert Storm so SCREW YOU. I take offense to your arrogance especially when the only combat youve been involved in firing a few rounds on a rifle range and playing at war, and I have a real good idea of what people are currently using . There are a lot of guys here who have done way more than myself and I respect the opinions of seasoned operators of which you are not. So be quiet and you might learn something.

:mad:

[SHARPSHOOTER]

Mark I love that tactical Hawaiian Print shirt. It compliments your UZI perfectly. Where can I get one before I deploy to Afghanistan.??:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[762 shooter]

I slay me.:rofl: Swamp rat, Ronin is not.
Good answer Ronin.
Sorry that I have nothing of value to add to this discussion.
Rest assured that I am entertained.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by SHARPSHOOTER
Mark I love that tactical Hawaiian Print shirt. It compliments your UZI perfectly. Where can I get one before I deploy to Afghanistan.??:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

I drew it from my SFODA Team supply. Thats Special Flowers, Orchids, Daiseys, Alfalpha

We were on a covert Recon mission at the local mall. Intel had reported a group of ROTC Cadets had gone bad and were holding the Cinnibon Kiosk hostage. This special camo blended perfectly with the tropical motif and allowed my team of HasBeens, Wannabees, and golfers with guns to infiltrate the AO and prepare an Area Assessment. We were able to turn some of the insurgents with offers of cotton candy we had smuggled in.

Later, TF 160 inserted a HALO strike Force of mall ninjas to eliminate the threat to Democracy and once again restore the flow of Cinnibons to a hungry America. Only one casualty - The Team commo sergeant (wearing sandles to blend with the indigs) stubbed his toe on the escalator, but a daring jungle penetrator extraction from by some PJ's in a Jolly Green Giant saved his toenail.

But you won't read about it in the newspaper - Our reward for a job well done is simply to have done it.

[Ronin556]

SoL,
First you, because you're the first name on here that I've seen that I know well enough to respect.

You said:
I still find it difficult to believe you could possibly be this persistent and blatantly offensive. Perhaps you will take this as constructive criticism but I have a feeling that you will not. Yes this is the same SoL.

And you were and are right.
Of all the people who've posted criticism, I hope you can see your's is the ONLY thing even relatively close to "constructive".
I also would hope you know that if I were not antagonized, I probably would have been a hell of a lot more civil and decent. I don't expect people to agree with every damn suggestion or opinion I have - I'm MORE than happy to disagree politely.

What's happened in this thread has been nothing short of a verbal gang rape, and if you review it, you'll see pretty clearly that I was at minimum attempting to be cool about it.
With that said, you've made your mark, and I do agree with you.

Sharpshooter, you next because you're actually man enough to get pissed.
It shows you've got "a dog in the fight".

I take offense to your arrogance especially when the only combat youve been involved in firing a few rounds on a rifle range and playing at war, and I have a real good idea of what people are currently using . There are a lot of guys here who have done way more than myself and I respect the opinions of seasoned operators of which you are not. So be quiet and you might learn something.

Much thanks and respect to your service.
I'll take your advice as well.

Gunplumber, you last, because no matter what you've done in the past, you're still an arrgent prick:

Nice pictures. I got a good laugh.

Learned my line in the sand guys, and maybe even enough to know when to avoid troll bait.
Thanks, and my apologies.

[SHARPSHOOTER]

Well Mark you were cheated if you did not recieve a commendation for you act of heroism at the Mall. You also deserve to recieve the Mall Ninja Combat Badge. I think that is the one with the Hipoint 9mm Carbine and wreath. Instead of the musket and wreath of the CIB. That shirt reminds me of one that I used to wear to the An Kahn Club in Panama City Before it got burnt to the ground in Operation Just Cause. Yes I still have my An Kahn Ranger T Shirt.

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by Ronin556
Sharpshooter, you next because you're actually man enough to get pissed.

Interesting definition of Manhood.

Most of us are laughing at you too hard to get pissed. You haven't the credibility to elicit an emotional response.

All I can say is that the Unit I'm working with and the one you worked with are REAL different with regards to gear requirements and parameters.

So for a ROTC drop-out, who hasn't begun his airforce training yet ("in the pipeline" - God that sounds Sooooo Macho!) - What unit are you "working with" (is that a euphamism for designated brass-catcher?) in your mall-ninja training?

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by SHARPSHOOTER
Instead of the musket and wreath of the CIB.

Operation "Just Because" (Also known as Bush's "Operation I am not a Wimp") heheheh jest kiddin - one of our guys got killed by friendly fire in Rio Hato - little bird. Sad. Bunch of our guys went down afterward as "advisors" to train the Panamanian Police in "proper" police work. I worked at Ft. Hunter Ligget training AF Security Police in patrolling - a final "brushing up" before they deployed to Panama. 7th ID recon and sniper teams were the agressors and played havoc with our seismic sensors until we started includeing dog teams in the patrols - bouvie de Flanders(wookie dogs).

Thank you for correctly identifying it as a musket and not a rifle.

Rangers Lead the Way . .. .

[Ronin556]

So for a ROTC drop-out, who hasn't begun his airforce training yet ("in the pipeline" - God that sounds Sooooo Macho!) - What unit are you "working with" (is that a euphamism for designated brass-catcher?) in your mall-ninja training?

It's top secret, and you don't have the security clearance.
You'll recognize us by the spiky hair, black tactical Mil-Spec + Tactical Delta Operator's assault Vests, and throwing knives attached to our arms.

I didn't name the pipeline brutha - the TAC/P's did. And as far as that goes, I'm not sayin' another word, because I wouldn't dishonor those guys by saying I was one. I know I'm not, and when I am - I'm sure I'll be a lot more reluctant and professional. Saavy? Brass Catcher. Hrmpf. I should be so lucky.

Interesting definition of Manhood.

Hmmm yep. That and a pair of testicals.

Ronin, you are a stand up guy. It takes character to type what you just typed. Welcome to the files.

Doesn't make me any less of an idiot for gettin' in an arguement online.
At this point, I can't even lose with any grace, so what the hell?
Thanks though - I do appreciate the words.

[gunplumber]

At this point, I can't even lose with any grace

True. You'd have to start with some grace.

[762 shooter]

:biggrin: Arguing on the internet and the special olympics.:biggrin:
Have you met DABTL?

[Ronin556]

Arguing on the internet and the special olympics.
Have you met DABTL?

Nope, not yet!
I haven't won T. Mark's "gracing stripes" in the 100 m retard dash... yet.
:wink:

[SHARPSHOOTER]

GunPlumber posted:
one of our guys got killed by friendly fire in Rio Hato - little bird.

Well believe me Mark when I say that there were a lot of soliders and some sailors too(Navy Seals) who were very shocked and surprised when the PDF decided to put up more of a fight than anyone thought they would. I remember they flew us back down to Ft Clayton( I had spent a year there) 7 days before operations commenced and we were on a high state of Alert with no other information than we were just providing some extra security and making a show of force. When they issued us our full combat load I knew it was not business as usual. The biggest failings we were guilty of down there was not giving Noregia's troops enough credit and taking them as a valid threat. I also think that they should have sent the Rangers in to secure the airfield and disable Noregia's Jet. Those Seals were simply out gunned and they lost the element of surprise early on.

All in all though I loved my time in the Canal Zone a very beautiful place and Ft Clayton along with the other Canal Zone Forts was an awesome place to serve.

Ft Clayton Main Gate.

[cabofdoom]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This has got to be the funniest shit I've read in a looooooong time.

GP: thanks for the beiner tip...been looking for an alternative to the dumb pouch. Now I need to scounge up a big roll of para cord.

Ronin556. I got nothing to offer you in the form of advice/critisism...you got all the answers.:rolleyes:

Myself, I'm headed on a moose hunt for the next 6 days so if you could do me a favor Ronin556: PLEASE keep thread going. I figure after 6 days in the rain (great forcast) I will really need the laugh.




Damn but I can't let it go...ANY ONE who starts squaking like a bitch about kill counts is a PUNK. To real soldiers/men, it is about coming home alive w/ mission acomplished. Body counts are for Politicians NOT Soldiers. Real Soldiers/Men take NO PRIDE in depriving a child of their father, a mother her son, nor a woman her husband. If it comes to it, a Real Soldier/Man does his job, but takes no pleasure in the taking of another life.

I am sure you will feel the need to flame me for pointing out what EVERYONE ELSE is thinking so flame away. I've got 16 and 22 year old son's and a 20 year old daughter so I have heard just about every insult someone as juvanile and unworldly as you can muster.

COD

[Ronin556]

ANY ONE who starts squaking like a bitch about kill counts is a PUNK. To real soldiers/men, it is about coming home alive w/ mission acomplished. Body counts are for Politicians NOT Soldiers. Real Soldiers/Men take NO PRIDE in depriving a child of their father, a mother her son, nor a woman her husband.

I know ;)
Baited hook, all the way.
Figured the braggart would get fired up, because I still think (no pun towards you photo bud) that he's "all hat, and no cattle".

Ronin556. I got nothing to offer you in the form of advice/critisism...you got all the answers.

Yeah, just wish to hell they were right! :D

I am sure you will feel the need to flame me for pointing out what EVERYONE ELSE is thinking so flame away. I've got 16 and 22 year old son's and a 20 year old daughter so I have heard just about every insult someone as juvanile and unworldly as you can muster.

Hey Cab, I'm sure it wouldn't do any good to tell you this, but I didn't start out here to flame people or tell them their business. I lost my cool, as people sometimes do when they are berrated NON-STOP.

Enjoy the hunt. Can't wait to go after some Elk myself.

[mosbysmen]

and this thread just keeps going on and on and on .................i keep waiting to see the energizer bunny go by

[ER]

Brass Catcher. Hrmpf.

I got $10 that says if the zoomie wanna-be ever gets live ammo, someone in his unit will off him in the first 15seconds. Then he`ll be a bullet catcher.

WTF do you go to school at?

ronin, you have to be the closest re-incarnation of Cadet Niedermeyer I have ever seen. Ever see Animal House, or was it way before your time?

Actual "No Shitter".......when I was at Clemson, we had a gung-ho cadet like you, Kevin Landmesser(yeah, I`ll post his real name here, `cause I don`t give a hairy rat`s ass if someone knows him or not.....he`s a sorry POS and knows quite well my opinion of him). He came back from advanced camp as cadet btn cdr due to his unsurpassed ability to ass-kiss the Finance and Signal officers who were assigned to evaluate everyone and got high marks. Well, said dumbass got branched Armor:rofl: since as a "high ranking cadet" he got preference when it came to branch selection. He thought this to be ideal, since he was a "leader of men".

His first duty assignment was in Germany as a 2LT Plt Ldr of a M1 Abrahms platoon. On the range one day, he yelled for the gunner to fire. The gunner did not, so he yelled repeatedly to "FIRE", and the gunner still did not. He was outraged that an enlisted man would question his judgement and disobey his judgement, and decided to over-ride the gunner and fire the main gun himself.

The round impacted the berm 50yds in front of the tank. The gunner never fired because he knew the berm was there. "2LT LandBlaster", as he was known thru his short military career, never saw it(supposedly) from his TC position.

Go in "Hard charging" there zoomie..........the NCO`s who have real world experience will chew your ass like cheap beef jerkey.....but you will show them how it`s done won`t ya:wink:

[Temp]

I hadn't looked in on this thread in a coupla days, but noticed that it stayed on top of the forum quite a bit.

I should have realized that it had turned into a pissin' match,.... lol,...

[ballistic308]

Whatever happened to the "combat load" of this thread??

:|

[mr fixit]

Originally posted by ballistic308
Whatever happened to the "combat load" of this thread??

:|

It went.....

Well, it.....

Oh hell I don't know!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b240/mr-fixit/BnyBigBunny_img.jpg

[JoeLad]

Originally posted by ballistic308
Whatever happened to the "combat load" of this thread??

:|

I'm wondering the same thing. Last time I checked this thread was only on pg.2.
ST put it back on track. Good info there ST.:bow:

JoeLad:D

[Ronin556]

I got $10 that says if the zoomie wanna-be ever gets live ammo, someone in his unit will off him in the first 15seconds. Then he`ll be a bullet catcher.

WTF do you go to school at?

ronin, you have to be the closest re-incarnation of Cadet Niedermeyer I have ever seen. Ever see Animal House, or was it way before your time?


ER, absolutely right man. I couldn't handle the responsibility of live ammunition.

What do I go to school at? PLU - it was Army, not AF. As for the AF now, I'm going into combat arms. Not some REMF stuff. I'll shaddup about it 'till I've got the patch.

That you've ever seen? You've not seen me man! You don't know jackola about me, 'cept that I got into it with some dude you respect on an internet forum.
I did see animal house - it was friggin' hilarious, and trust me - I don't act like that.

Sorry for the hijack. Still trying to defend myself.

[762 shooter]

Um, Ronin accepted responsibility for his shite. Handed out decent apologies. I think they should be graciously accepted... Common ground? I bet he likes FALs.:fal:

[762 shooter]

Yes! we hit 5 pages!

[torquemada055]

Interesting perspective about the 80's REMF, wouldn't that have to mean we had some sort of War going on somewhere.

Last I recall, while there were operations going on around the world there was no war and just what was He doing in the 80's?

Going to grade school maybe?:eek:

[idsubgun]

Okay, does anyone have a photo of the para cord mag pull set up?

[Sayeret Tzanhanim]

Hey Laban!
That OD green furniture is for fags!
:D

[Ronin556]

I have been in pissing contests and been 100% wrong as well. You take a gut check once you pull your head out of your ass and man up, Ronin mostly did that now but really needs to abase himself at GP's feet a bit first. I don’t know GP personally but he has always impressed me with his knowledge and ability to not get worked up.

As far as abasement at GP's feet?
You'll never find me abasing myself at any feet but the Lord's.
GP, no offense, but that's not you.
I'll wait around, and perhaps I too will be astounded. Until then you're just going to have to settle for:
I am sorry for being insulting towards you.

The "vets" in question are the Jessica Lynchs' and Lyndie Englands' that I feel absolutely no remorse for insulting. The American Military is NOT what it used to be, and my comments about not being current were aimed at some of the older guy, not as insults really, but just to get the damned heat off my back for a second. People say stupid shit when they are being cornered.

To those of you who've served honorably, I apologize.

I'm done.

[dadman]

Don't forget a crush proof container for the Twinkies stored in the buttpack or ruck.

[gearlogo]

Well I enjoyed reading this thread. I just about busted out here in the office. I spent 6 years in the Marines, got out as an e-5. All my time in the infantry as an 0311. Went to sqad leaders school, Mountain warfare school (twice),NBC school, a few CAXs and scads of day to day training. The one thing I took away from all my training is that you need to stay alive. All this mall ninja stuff assumes you have eaten the "can't be killed pill". The truth is usualy if you walk into something you die fast. Aviod the action on the enemies terms. Pick your place and hope it involes you being close to the ground with some element of surprise. Set yourself up to travel light, blend in and move fast. The rest will be history. You need to look more like armed farmers in South Africa than your run of the mill mall ninja.

Ronan, Please go to boot camp spend some time in the field. Then come back and talk. The air force might not be the right place for you. It's never to late to see the Marine down the hall. You will see action and you will walk away changed. Until then please show some respect for the people trying to do you a favor. Listen to the folks teaching. People that have lived the service life can pass on much more information the all the back issues of SOF can ever do.

End of post FWIW.

[medicman]

tagged

[goldenspurholderx2]

Rob and especially Mark, just read the first couple of threads in the post and skipped around due to time limits on the net. Thought I was answering the origional spirit of the post other than that no excuses, sorry, will pull head out of fifth point of contact.

[firefuzz]

Originally posted by goldenspurholderx2
Rob and especially Mark, just read the first couple of threads in the post and skipped around due to time limits on the net. Thought I was answering the origional spirit of the post other than that no excuses, sorry, will pull head out of fifth point of contact.

I don't see as you owe anyone an apology, your's was a good post and I didn't see you throwing rocks at anyone. NO prob here.:)

Rob

[goldenspurholderx2]

Thanks guys, I'm still just a newbie and am still learning the ins and outs of the files. Didn't know if it was directed at me, I guess it's like when our platoon sgt. is ripping into the platoon "if it applys to you then use it". There is alot of great info on the files and i'm learning alot, just don't want to damage my welcome.

[gunplumber]

Still confused as to what you are talking about.

Are you reading the post above "tagged" as something directed at you?


It means simply that someone read the thread and liked it enough to add it to their favorites/and or e-mail notification of new posts.

Like "Bump" or "BTT (Back to Top) "

[ballistic308]

Just another BTT; as I feel this thread still has a lot to offer . . . . . . . . . .

[mosbysmen]

i think this is a great thread ,im planning on going in and removing all the non-relivent stuff to make it a easier read .
its amazing the talent that hangs out on this board.

[SL93Z]

Its been a while since I have wandered around the FALFiles. I usually roam the marketplace, but was fortunate enough to stumble upon this thread.

After reading over all the postings I have come to one certain conclusion: I am really glad I have a pair of ARS FALs in my safe. Thanks GP.

Ken

[gunplumber]

Originally posted by mosbysmen
i think this is a great thread ,im planning on going in and removing all the non-relivent stuff to make it a easier read .

Gee - I remember asking for limited moderator priviledges before so as to do stuff like that.

And the creation of new persona such as "Reference guide" for the compilation of useful data. under a generic first post.

[doktor_ecchs]

Originally posted by mosbysmen
It's amazing the talent that hangs out on this board.

I'll second that emotion...:]

as ever,
Dr. X :fal:

[mosbysmen]

Originally posted by gunplumber


Gee - I remember asking for limited moderator priviledges before so as to do stuff like that.

And the creation of new persona such as "Reference guide" for the compilation of useful data. under a generic first post.



yup, i remember that . i thought it was a good idea if it was my board we would have done it , but i only work here so i passed the request up the chain of command and never heard back on it..
so i will make the request one more time
(i dont know if limited moderator is even possible)
i been working for the last 18 hours so i hope this is understandable.