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themightybowhunter
January 02, 2006, 01:24
Did the original stg58 ever come in a sniper version?
If so how did they mount a scope?
And is that type of mount commercially available?

EMDII
January 02, 2006, 10:10
The Austrians used the FN-made optics systems, and a few home-brews. The FAL is not and never was a 'sniper', but it was used as a DMR in may armies, using the supplied optics.

The OIP mount used a flexible band tightened around the tube. The mount itself replaced the OEM dust cover.

The OIP mounts are not 'commercially' available, but they pop up very now and then.

themightybowhunter
January 02, 2006, 10:57
EMDII,

Is this thing close to the OIP?

http://www.tapco.com/product_information.asp?number=MNT2418&back=yes&dept=136&last=18
Would it stay zeroed?

Also I found this one that is supposed to be original but new manufacture.

http://www.sarcoinc.com/scopes-mounts.html


I understand the "it's not a sniper" statement.


Thanks!

hydrotx
January 02, 2006, 14:38
Here is the OIP mount
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid43/pa7a862c3faeab787e2c196fc0cfc61ab/fce399f4.jpg

EMDII
January 02, 2006, 14:47
The STANAG mounts do not accept the original OIP scope. They are lugged for the appropriate scope (most often a Hensoldt w/ the STANAG lugs). No one is making "new" OIP or STANAG mounts, just "finding" them. Most of the "new" STANAG" are Argentine IIRC.

The TAPCO Gen-IV mount is rock-solid, and uses STANAG lugged scopes, as shown. It will not acept OIP scopes. The scope is VERY high over the boreline, and I prefer much lower on 7.62 rifles.

themightybowhunter
January 11, 2006, 00:20
Guys thanks for the help.

So the tapco Gen4 is a great scope mount. What about the DSA FAL
scope mount? Has anyone tried it and have feedback? It appears to have a lot more screws in it!

TMBH

mojo_matic
January 11, 2006, 08:43
The DSA scope mount is superior to the Tapco mount IMHO.

The DSA scope mount will mar the finish of your receiver though. :(

Pete_in_WA
January 12, 2006, 06:18
Originally posted by mojo_matic
The DSA scope mount is superior to the Tapco mount IMHO.

The DSA scope mount will mar the finish of your receiver though. :(

+1 but they are rock solid. Tapco FAL mounts are POS, had one and finaly threw it away, could not even sell it. I am thinking of trying Enterprise mount on my new SA58 carbine next, but first choice is DSA.

EMDII
January 12, 2006, 09:16
Consider the ARMS #3 mount also. Simpler to install than the DSA, RTZ is better, and also rock solid.

themightybowhunter
January 12, 2006, 21:21
I ordered the DSA sa58 heavy duty mount.

What scope would you guys recommend I buy?
Would a 3-9x 40 mm be right for this cal?

I can shoot 3 inch groups (I've measured) at 100 yds with iron sights so I think the rifle has potential or I wouldn't be doing this.

I have a preference for anything made in the US (I won't use a made in china scope)

HawaiiFALer
January 15, 2006, 20:48
Originally posted by Pete_in_WA
+1 but they are rock solid. Tapco FAL mounts are POS, had one and finaly threw it away, could not even sell it. I am thinking of trying Enterprise mount on my new SA58 carbine next, but first choice is DSA.
Agree on DSA. Don't know about Enterprise. As for TAPCO, the 3rd and 4th Generation are good. It was the earlier ones that did not make owners happy. I have a 3rd Generation on a G-1. It was a good purchase.

themightybowhunter
January 19, 2006, 20:21
My DSA FAL scope mount came today. I was planning on buying a Russian scope from Kalinka but they haven't responded to an email in 4 days so I suspect that there is no point in buying a product from a compay who isn't contactable.

So I'm going to buy another Burris 3x9 variable 40mm from Goose Hill.

adam762
January 20, 2006, 21:02
Geez, I'm getting here late...

As for what optics the StG wore, I can't say. Belgian OIPs were offset and did NOT sit directly over the bore. They happen to available at a very good price through our own EX1... http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148699

What Hydrotx and Ted are referring to with the 'strap on' scopes and stanag mounts is the German Hensoldt, which is a different scope and mount entirely. The early Hensoldts came with a non lugged 30MM tube that strapped to the mount as shown. Later scopes had lugs for attaching to 'stanag' mounts, be they for the FAL (the G1, in Germany's case), or the G3/ CETME. These are the most common, it seems. Belgian stanag mounts fetch upwards of 200 dollars, while the Argentine variants can be had for around 100. Sarco has them new. A Hensoldt FERO Z24, which is very close to the original Hensoldt that would have been used on the G1, can be had direct from Germany for a little over 400 dollars.

I know this doesn't answer your question as to 'What scope was used on the StG?', but hopefully it does clear up some of the confusion about the two optical systems. Now, watch as KIT, CFM, or EX1 come along and tell me how wrong I probably am about all that.

My guess (and it is just that) is that if the Austrians put anything on their rifles, they used the German Hensoldt. They either copied and improved on German equipment, or in some cases, got it directly form them. Either system looks damn good on a full length StG.

My .02, and to quote DABTL,

Hope this helps.



EDITED- The OIP is a strap mount scope too, just offset. It does use a different mount than the one pictured above.

adam762
January 20, 2006, 21:15
Here's an OIP mounted.

adam762
January 20, 2006, 21:21
Even the cats like guns in my house. Here's a pic of the reticle, for those that have asked. Go HERE (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144094&highlight=hensoldt) to see a Hensoldt installed on a G1 for reference.

See the clean silverware sticking out of the dish drainer? I DO TOO do my dishes!

Pete_in_WA
January 22, 2006, 04:40
I have had good results with Kalinka, got a 8X42 illuminated POSP scope for my Dragunov. Not a used surplus scope but a brand new unissued scope ready to pop into place on my rifle. However, on my FAL I have a 5-15x40 Bushnell Legend with Mildot reticle mounted on a DSA Hvy duty mount with double rings. Good clear picture, paralax corection in both yards and meters. It serves me well.