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madjack
September 04, 2001, 12:35
Hi folks, madjack here, allow me to introduce myself. I'm a newbie to frankenfals and I'm building an Aussie L1A1. I've never built a kit gun of any kind before and I'm not really looking to build a museum piece, in fact it'll probably be a beater! I'm looking for an upper reciever that fit right on my lower without any smithing. I'd kind of like to have an Imbel or a really good US made part. The super lightweight recievers are nice but a bit pricey for this poor boy. Any suggestions? Thanks for any and all replies. madjack :confused:

bmwguy
September 04, 2001, 12:57
Huh??

Lightweight(metric) from Williams are selling for 195.

Imbels Inch are selling 219 at FAC.
Imbels Metric from Dealer warehouse is going for 238.50

Entreprise Inch are going for 325/375.

madjack
September 04, 2001, 13:15
bmwguy, just called FAC and they are out of inch Imbel and don't expect to get anymore. After cruising this place for a couple of days I'm just a tad scared of Williams due to QC issues. Correct me if I'm wrong but the metric recvrs won't match up to my Aussie barrel(wrong thread direction). Imbel may be a little higher but from what I've read, works well.thanks madjack :)

EMDII
September 04, 2001, 14:44
Originally posted by madjack:
<STRONG>Correct me if I'm wrong but the metric recvrs won't match up to my Aussie barrel(wrong thread direction). Imbel may be a little higher but from what I've read, works well.thanks madjack :)</STRONG>

madjack-

Any Metric (not Israeli) barrel will fit an Inch receiver, and any Inch barrel will fit a Metric (not Israeli) receiver.
The Inch combinations MAY require use of a breeching washer a la L1A1, but izOK.

the Entreprise Inch receiver is gorgeous. Yes I have one I acquired early this year, and it is w/ George Gouger for assembly into another of his Black Beauties. Your Australian would like a 'real' Inch receiver, as opposed to the IMBEL metric receiver modified to accept Inch magazines.

Master Blaster
September 04, 2001, 14:44
madjack,
Your inch kit will bolt up very nicely to a Metric upper. There are two items that will be different. 1. Charging handle cut (Not an issue with Dan @ VOW folding Metric charging Handle) 2. Magazine cut, will only let you use metric mags, unless you have the cut modified. The Metric mags are no problem though. This would be a personal preference mod only. But I, like Ted think that they look their best on an Entreprise Inch receiver! HTH!
Regards,
Jim :D :D :D

[ September 05, 2001: Message edited by: Master Blaster ]

Gaspipe
September 04, 2001, 14:59
Originally posted by EMDII:
<STRONG>Your Australian would like a 'real' Inch receiver, as opposed to the IMBEL metric receiver modified to accept Inch magazines.</STRONG>

Or worse yet, a metric receiver using metric mags :eek: on a fine inch kit.

I just built an L1A1 on an Entreprise inch pattern type 1 and it is a very nice looking setup. If you have the means, the type 1 receiver compliments the cuts on the lower and just looks good. A civilized rifle, no doubt :)

Yesterday, I built another L1A1 on an Entreprise metric type 3. Both went together well. The inch receiver needed a little filing work on some presumably casting marks at the mag release, and the locking shoulder was a bit *tight* , but went together in about 90 minutes.

The metric went together flawlessly in about 75 minutes start to finish.

Both required a breeching washer - the inch a Size 1 and a smallish .252 locking shoulder, the metric a Size 3 breeching washer and a .262 locking shoulder.

Your mileage may vary. Pics over in the images area if you're interested.

Be very careful. FALs are like Lay's potato chips. You can't eat (build) just one. It is important to note that unless you plan to invest in the proper tools and build several, it'd be wise to engage the services of one of the resident smiths here to build it up nicely and most importantly, safely.

Ciao,

GRUMPY
September 04, 2001, 23:06
I think with respect to the thread issue (LH vs RH), you are referring to the flashhider/ muzzle threads. RH 9/16-24 on inch pattern guns, LH 9/16-24 on metric. The barrel shank threads (into receiver) are the same, as noted above.

madjack
September 05, 2001, 01:31
Thanks to all for the responses. I shall heed the advice of the learned. My wife's birthday gift will be an Entreprise upper! Now pardon my ignorance but I would like to know the difference between the type 1 and type 3 recvrs. Some of the small issues I can handle and I do have a few guys for back up. Not to mention the video from Arizona Response Systems. I intend to buy several reference books too. As far as the getting hooked, too late, my next one will be the STG 58 :D :D I may have you guys send me a quote on that one, and if it seems that back up dissapears and I can't make heads or tails I'll scream loud and clear for help!Besides, the first one will be the beater, the one carried on the ATV, in the canoe and maybe up the tree! Thank you again, madjack.

Blag
September 05, 2001, 03:35
Originally posted by madjack:
... like to know the difference between the type 1 and type 3 recvrs. ...

The difference is mostly in appearance. The Type 3 is the "slab-side;" the Type 1 has lightening cuts. The Type 3 is a little heavier, since it has not been lightened with lightening cuts.

As far as operation of the rifle goes, they're functionally the same - but take note of the magazine issue. Inch and metric mags are both readily available now, at nearly the same prices, but it would be a nuisance to find oneself with the wrong mags when the rifle is ready to go.

Entreprise Type 1 Inch:

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Entreprise Type 3 Metric:

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For an L1A1, get the inch receiver, some inch mags, and there you are.