Faltitude- your animal noise?

[BlackCat]

http://www.bfro.net/avevid/mjm/Howl.mp3

http://www.bfro.net/avevid/calender/Mississippi.mp3

http://www.bfro.net/AVEVID/MJM/ss-snobf.wav

Here's where they came from:
http://www.bfro.net/avevid/SierraSounds/911.asp#howls

Very creepy stuff.

['TUDE]

I've had personal dealings with bfro and tbrc. As a matter of fact, the president of tbrc is a member here (although he only joined to dismiss claims I made).
Interesting stuff but I'll not be a believer until I meet one of those critters face to face. I've seen the prints, seen the "dwellings", and heard "those" hoops and holers but until I see flesh....

[BlackCat]

I'm not a bigfoot nut by any stretch of the imagination.
The only reason I stumbled onto their site (and those sounds) was to check for any reports in my area.
I saw something one night that I can't explain on the side of the road- and until that happened, I thought it was a bunch of complete crap. Now, I dunno so much. I know a lot of fruitcakes come out of the woodwork for attention, but I sure as hell saw something bipedal and hairy that was NOT a man and I'm as down to earth and objective a person as any I've met.

Did the howling in the clip (whatever it actually is) come close? I really thought I was on to something for you there.

[biggun]

Is this the sound that sounded kinda like a dog barking? That was a fox barking. Yes a fox barking. I saw one do it out in the open. Kinda funny a lone fox chasing adult deer.

[firefuzz]

Originally posted by BlackCat
I'm not a bigfoot nut by any stretch of the imagination.
The only reason I stumbled onto their site (and those sounds) was to check for any reports in my area.
I saw something one night that I can't explain on the side of the road- and until that happened, I thought it was a bunch of complete crap. Now, I dunno so much. I know a lot of fruitcakes come out of the woodwork for attention, but I sure as hell saw something bipedal and hairy that was NOT a man and I'm as down to earth and objective a person as any I've met.

Did the howling in the clip (whatever it actually is) come close? I really thought I was on to something for you there.

I believe that MOST of the publicized rendentions of BF are just people trying to get ''their day in the sun'' but....

I knew and respected a man, he's dead now, that spent many years as a young man in the Pacific NW in the thirty's and forty's surveying for highways and cross country electric services. I never knew him to tell a tall tale.

I saw him become quite angry once when some people were ridiculing a man on a TV show that believed he had seen a BF in the same area this man had worked some 40 years before.

A short time later he told me a story that I don't care to repeat, at the conclusion of which I know that he believed in his heart that there are creatures such as BF from personal experience.

I also remember from that story that I have no desire to repeat that personal experience. I knew this man from the time I was a small boy and he told me his story when I was in my twenty's. I had never once seen what I could call fear in this man, but his face was white as a sheet when he finished relating his experience.

I do not doubt what he said.

Rob

['TUDE]

What I heard could be nothing but a wolf. Even though they have not been in my part of the country for over a hundred years, I know what I heard.

As for bf, I had a keen interest in finding out "more" due to all the sightings in my area that go back to the early 1800's. I've also heard many first-hand accounts, and one from my sister that was too unique of an experience to have been fabricated.
My quest for proof left me more skeptical due to a staged "initiation" tour of bf's stomping ground by one of the more reputable research groups. Since then, I have had people share stories that would make your hair curl. Some I discount but a couple cannot be explained away.

So, for now, I will remain skeptical, though I cannot dismiss that something may be lurking in the shadows of which we know little or nothing of. My grandfather who was full blood Cherokee told me that the wildman of the woods can make you forget you had even seen him but a demon of the woods would never let you forget.

[Mebsuta]

I think Bigfoot is a legend or hoax. If Bigfoot was really running around the forest, somebody would have stepped in something by now. Where could he hide? The evidence is not very convincing; plaster casts of footprints made by something that stomps around flat-footed, Super 8 film of a guy in an ape costume, strange stories, and recordings of people howling in the woods.

The real danger is the Rakshasa. They are shapeshifters that can reach into your mind and exploit emotion, appearing to you as someone you love or trust. That's part of the torment they inflict on people.

[Windustsearch]

I find the idea of a large bipedal ape that is nocturnal and a vegetarian to be completely ridiculous. Apes are not nocturnal. For the most part, large herbivores are not either.

Similarly. supporters are always quick to point out how elusive they are but then start listing off all of the hundreds if not thousands of supposed sightings.

Somebody would have shot one by now, period.

Sure animal species are discovered all the time, but large ones in populated areas are not. Only small ones that nobody would notice. The only large animal discoveries happen in remote places that people do not inhabit.

Furthermore, every large mammal, fish, bird, or other critter that survives today, plus some extinct ones has showed up in large numbers in the archaeological record as chow. If there were such an animal, they would have wound up on the dinner plate.

Its good to keep an open mind about stuff like this, but at this point I'd say it does not exist. The evidence against it is great, the evidence for it does not exist.

[BlackCat]

This is the exact same stance I had, and kind of still do, on the issue.

But check this out, mull it over, and get back to me on how YOU would view the existance of the critter if you'd shared my experience.

It was about midnight, I was driving home after spending a long afternoon shooting and Duracoating some pistols at a friend's workshop.
I was out in the ass-end of nowhere, as he lives about an hour out into the sticks. Lots of pine forests, small swamps fed by creeks, and loads of pastureland. It was drizzling, so I was only going about fifty or so, and up ahead on the side of the road was a fencerow and about a seven foot tall overhang of elderberries. Underneath the canopy were two shining eyes, which I originally took to belong to a cow sticking her head over the fence. They were about five feet off the ground, and bluish green- which if I'm not mistaken is about cow standard in the dark. When I got within about hundred feet or so I hit my brights in case there was a break in the fence or whatever- and saw that it wasn't a cow- but something black, shaggy, and man-shaped with forward-facing reflecting eyes standing stock still looking at my car from underneath the elderberries.
At this point I'm giving myself a serious WTF'ing, as that shit does NOT happen, and NOT in BFE, Louisiana.
So I zoom past whatever it is, stuck in mental repeat mode until I find a turnaround about two hundred feet up the road. Part of what I'd refinished was a .44 Desert Eagle, and it was the only thing I had a loaded mag for- and I distinctly recall thinking "If I kill the wolfman tonight I really wish I had something less cowboy to do it with than this damn Desert Eagle". So I get the pistol out and roll back up to where I saw it, fully intending to kill me some folklore mystery beast and- surprise- it's not there anymore.

Now I hunt, and I shop in all the same outdoor stoors online as the rest of you do- it was NOT some jackass out prowling around in his fancy camo at midnight.
Besides, I've yet to meet a person whose eyes reflect lights at night.
The thing under that bush was NOT a person, or any other animal that should've been in central Louisiana that night.
Was it bigfoot? I dunno- and I still doubt that it was. The only way I'd be willing to make that call was if I HAD shot it. But it wasn't anything else that I can explain. It wasn't something I just glanced out of my peripheral vision. It looked like a heavy-set shaggy five foot tall man standing there with his shoulders hunched in the drizzling rain, looking at my car with his freakshow relfective eyes for the roughly ten seconds I had to make eye contact with it.

Maybe it WAS Bubba, and it's a damn good thing I didn't nail him with a 300 grain JSP... But I doubt it, and I have no rational, tell-people-in-public answer to what it was.

[ggiilliiee]

BIG FOOT LIVES ...HE HE .... windustsearch ...they just got the first pic of a giant squid and weve been fishing the seas for how long ??...they ARE REAL had one come into camp one night ...it took all of my dennisons extra meaty chili,4mre pound cakes, and a 1/4 ounce of really good green bud .....man was i pissed ....he he.....but seriously could be anything out there ....most folks who claim to be in the "wilderness " 95% of the time are only 14 miles from the nearest slurpee machine

[Windustsearch]

Blackcat, no chance it was a bear reaching for the berries or a man in a gillie suit with night vision goggles trying to play sniper?

[BlackCat]

WDS, I work with soldiers in the field all the time- it wasn't NODS, and you would be pushing it harder to call it a bear than bigfoot (which I'm still pretty hesitant of doing).

It was manlike in outline- with slightly shorter legs than usual, a squarish head on a very short neck (also ruling standing bears out), and very clearly hairy and not jute or synthetic leaves.
I know I sound like a total assclown for making this claim, but I'll stick to my guns on this one.
I've hunted and played in Central Louisiana's woods since I've lived here and have never seen anything close to approaching what this was.

[jaykden]

shoulda rolled the window down and blasted him with the ole foty fo'. another thing, IIRC, bears eyes glow red...

['TUDE]

There use to be an old-timer near Smithville, Oklahoma in the recent past who offered a cash award to anyone who could spend a full night at a location he drove you to. The money amount was a couple hundred bucks or thereabouts but the two stipulations were no guns and you kept a fresh deer liver with you during the night. The offer was posted on a couple of boards for years but I never heard of any takers.

Now, what I'd call interesting would be a campout in the heart of bf country, between Smithville and Honobia, Oklahoma. With bear, cougar, and assorted other critters along with being the new "hot spot" for bf activity, it would be interesting to watch. Of course, all parties would be required to read all the documented sighting info for that particular area beforehand.

For those skeptics like me who enjoy an entertaining read, go check out the bf sites and read the reports and investigations of the location mentioned above.

Oh, as for critters that shouldn't exist or be where they are not suppose to be, I saw firsthand, at close range, in broad-open daylight the famed black panther so many experts say does not exist.

[BlackCat]

Sounds like a job for some kind of FAL Files A-Team.

Who's got the van?
:fal:

PS: I've only seen a few normal cougars around here, but a LOT of people claim that they have seen black ones.

I didn't know a black cougar (melanistic?) was supposed to be a biological no-no?

[Da Nerd]

Originally posted by Faltitude

Oh, as for critters that shouldn't exist or be where they are not suppose to be, I saw firsthand, at close range, in broad-open daylight the famed black panther so many experts say does not exist.

I would imagine Texas would be a good place to see one..even OKLA
Here is a pic of the one you saw.

[BlackCat]

Zoo?
Leopard?

[firefuzz]

Originally posted by Faltitude
There use to be an old-timer near Smithville, Oklahoma in the recent past who offered a cash award to anyone who could spend a full night at a location he drove you to. The money amount was a couple hundred bucks or thereabouts but the two stipulations were no guns and you kept a fresh deer liver with you during the night. The offer was posted on a couple of boards for years but I never heard of any takers.

Now, what I'd call interesting would be a campout in the heart of bf country, between Smithville and Honobia, Oklahoma. With bear, cougar, and assorted other critters along with being the new "hot spot" for bf activity, it would be interesting to watch. Of course, all parties would be required to read all the documented sighting info for that particular area beforehand.

For those skeptics like me who enjoy an entertaining read, go check out the bf sites and read the reports and investigations of the location mentioned above.

Oh, as for critters that shouldn't exist or be where they are not suppose to be, I saw firsthand, at close range, in broad-open daylight the famed black panther so many experts say does not exist.

I've got a cousin that used to work for the forestry service in this area. Black bears are getting more and more plentiful in that area. I'm sure Charles could tell some stories if he would.

I used to hunt alot in the Neshoba area and there is no way I'm holding a bloody liver in my hand all night without a gun in the other.

Rob